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Can't believe I actually took the time to read this thread...

But at any rate, I personally enjoyed looking at your army and if I played WHFB, I would find it hilarious to play against them. Maybe not every single time but every now and then.

I'm kind of curious if people would be annoyed by the Hello Kitty Sisters of Battle army out there.

I definitely have to show my wife the pictures for your army.

Thanks man! I appreciate the comment and compliments. Same to everyone else who's posted since I last thanked everyone.

It's all about the LAWLZ. I certainly wouldn't bring it to every tournament. It'd lose it's shock value quickly.

The shock value is insane I'd love to get my ass whooped by this lot. Not sure how you remember all their names...

Showerchair wrote:
The shock value is insane I'd love to get my ass whooped by this lot. Not sure how you remember all their names...

That's pretty much the issue (your last sentence). At least once the shock value /novelty / cool factor wears off...

This should of really be moved to discussions or something.

Very confusing army to play against. People being so obtuse as to compare this to pro-painted armies using actual models are just ridiculous. Even the display board lacks effort.

Just another case of adults liking MLP and not being able to shut up about it. Yeah you like a cartoon for young girls, we get it.

Funny how you don't take the time to describe why it is ridiculous, Medium of Death. Perhaps you don't know?

One army consists of happy meal toys while the other doesn't...?

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Why attempt to ascertain the source of effort when comparing these armies? The results speak for themselves.

The difference being that one person realised they couldn't get their army done by themselves so paid somebody to do it and the other is a bunch of McDonalds toys stuck to bases.

It's not hard to see which has had more time and effort put into it.

Why is time and effort the standard by which to judge them? I can paint up a model in a few hours that would take some people a week. Should they be considered more worthy because they spent more time and effort?

Similarly, many people spend a lot of effort painting and basing models that look worse than Happy-meal toys. It isn't clear that that outcome is so superior such that it should be allowed compared to this.

Also, all these points have been made before; you are not the first in this thread to make your argument. You may wish to read through(even though it is a bit long) if you want to add to the conversation. It will save a lot of reposting on all sides.

Medium of Death wrote:Very confusing army to play against. People being so obtuse as to compare this to pro-painted armies using actual models are just ridiculous. Even the display board lacks effort.

Just another case of adults liking MLP and not being able to shut up about it. Yeah you like a cartoon for young girls, we get it.

Yep, you nailed it.

Wehrkind wrote:Funny how you don't take the time to describe why it is ridiculous, Medium of Death. Perhaps you don't know?

What part of his comments do you fail to comprehend? The owner of this "army" has already admitted several times in this thread that this was an attention grab at best, and troll bait at worst.

Medium of Death wrote:One army consists of happy meal toys while the other doesn't...?

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Why attempt to ascertain the source of effort when comparing these armies? The results speak for themselves.

The difference being that one person realised they couldn't get their army done by themselves so paid somebody to do it and the other is a bunch of McDonalds toys stuck to bases.

It's not hard to see which has had more time and effort put into it.

Again, nailed it. Have an Exalt

Wehrkind wrote:I can paint up a model in a few hours that would take some people a week.

Does the air get thin up there on your high horse?

Wehrkind wrote:Also, all these points have been made before; you are not the first in this thread to make your argument. You may wish to read through(even though it is a bit long) if you want to add to the conversation. It will save a lot of reposting on all sides.

Wow, time to climb down from your wannabe mod soap box

I don't know who the hell you THINK you are, but he has EVERY right to add his opinion to this conversation. Just because he doesn't support this "army" doesn't inviolate his right to voice his opinion against it.

If that's not the case then why did people bring up the point of commission painted armies in the first place?

Why should people bother to go to the effort of making their army abide by the tournament rules when somebody can just bypass that and bring along some happy meal toys?

A wanna be mod would demand that he stop doing X because it was against the rules or what not. I was merely suggesting that he may wish to read the thread since he and I were retreading arguments made many times in earlier posts.

It is also not being on a high horse to say "I can paint to standard X much faster than some other people. It's true, I can paint much faster now than I could say 5 years ago. If we reach the same result it seems odd to suggest that the time and effort spent is the relevant factor. The various labor theories of value are not terribly useful, as it turns out.



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Last reply was to Scott_K, not MD, just the timing moved it below, by the way.

The earlier argument about commission armies was that the painter was not the owner of the models. If one is going to complain about prepainted models, one has to explain the difference between a hand painter or a machine painter, as that is the difference between commissioned paints and prepaints. Why is a poor quality commission painted army better than an equal quality factory/machine painted army?

The tournament required painted models. The models were painted just as much as say a prepainted Rackham model would be, and at least as well as a poorly executed paint job. Why favor one of the other if the outcome is similar? Paint jobs can be ugly in many ways.

That led to the discussion about gaming models vs toys. That spun around a little, usually around the question of good vs bad models. Some good points were made about just putting some armor or weapons on them would do a lot. I consider the lack of weapons to be a very legitimate argument against the army, though I would note that WYSIWYG is really pretty vague in most WHFB armies that are not official and people often don't mind.

I think one could summarize the thread as being a question of whether the army violates the Rule of Cool, as no actual rules seem to have been broken. Some people think it was sufficiently cool (or at least funny) to be fine, others find it so uncool it deserves to have broken rules that weren't written. Either view is fine, just people are trying to make a much more objective rules based argument for whether the army is good or not instead of recognizing that it is an entirely subjective aesthetic argument. In other words claiming someone is scientifically wrong for liking/disliking the army instead of recognizing that it is largely a matter of taste.

No this is serious business, SERIOUS BUSINESS you guys! Someone made man dollies different than my man dollies.

Serious business, need to get a mod on this now...

No need to get so heated about this, lads...

To the topic- Wehrkind, I do think "rule of cool" is a large factor here, but also I think it may not meet the painting standards (or basing standards) of most events.

I haven't seen an attempt to use a pre-painted dinosaur toy or pre-painted mage knights model or pre-painted AT-43 model in an army at a tournament... or at least, I haven't ever seen that it would be allowed. I have seen some tournaments list "No toy proxies" as a kind of catch-all for those kinds of things, but it is difficult to make a hard and fast rule that covers all cases. But again just with basing, green squares without flock or any kind of detail would not usually qualify as "tournament basing".

So, while I think the argument that the only rule this violates is people's subjective "rule of cool" has some merit, I think you can more objectively look at the (lack of) painting and basing and make a determination that way.

Hmmmm...

Rule #1 in here, everyone, please.

Thanks!

 Scott_K wrote:
The owner of this "army" has already admitted several times in this thread that this was an attention grab at best, and troll bait at worst.

Not true at all. I never said anything remotely close to that. And you need to embrace the magic of friendship.

Edit : For almost feeding the troll, but realizing I have better things to do than argue with a stranger on the Internet.

I think after 8 pages we're done now.