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Kanluwen wrote: Sure, there's precedence that the government wants to outlaw firearms. But they're not going around collecting the guns now are they?
That's actually quite true.
In Connecticut, for example, the government doesn't go around collecting guns.
I feel like a simple "Yet" is the best response to comments that the government isn't confiscating firearms. Missouri introduced a bill that makes CT look like Arizona recently.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Kanluwen wrote: Sure, there's precedence that the government wants to outlaw firearms. But they're not going around collecting the guns now are they?
That's actually quite true.
In Connecticut, for example, the government doesn't go around collecting guns.
I feel like a simple "Yet" is the best response to comments that the government isn't confiscating firearms. Missouri introduced a bill that makes CT look like Arizona recently.
Kanluwen wrote: The basis is that they are no different than the people on the Democrat side who cite things like Sandy Hook as being the reason for banning all the guns. Both sides have an agenda and there are scholars who present findings that can be used one way or the other.
So kindly knock off the assumption that I'm simply "attacking the author".
This almost seems like a reasonable position (wait for it.....)
Kanluwen wrote: It's not a peer review journal that this research was published in, it was a student run publication.
And now you just dismiss any arguments made by the author because of it's source.
Kan, if you weren't so predictable every time the NRA gets mentioned (and your claim that they are more powerful than the ATF, I mean that is just stretching facts) I might take your claims on face value. Then again you managed to drag in the Republicans to this thread also so your bias is fairly evident.
I'm sure the NRA (with whom I just renewed my membership) will have something to say by the end of the week.
The NRA is just as bad as the ATF. They're both organizations with an agenda to push and simpletons wrapped around their fingers.
Spoken by an ATF supporter.
The NRA never shot a wife -holding a baby- through a door, and then claimed it was self defense (from 200 yards away).
The NRA never burned 60 people to death in Waco.
Ouze wrote: There is no "paperwork" to be done. In the US you are legally allowed to manufacture your own firearms for personal use without any further registration, documentation or even a serial number.
Details, details. If you don't have the paperwork enjoy your ATF raid.
This "argument" is fundamentally nonsense. It's akin to arguing that the IRS should raid you if you don't save the receipt from a leash you bought at petco.
Team Wienie expenses those as "safety and exercise equipment." at a double declining rate of depreciation!
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Kanluwen wrote: The only people who think it's "going on currently" are the people who panic buy tons of ammo.
Connecticut and NY would like to have a word with you about that.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
So the ATF act outside their legal authority to demand a list of customers who have acted within the law, and the IRS went beyond their legal remit to demand lists of donors (which somehow made their way into the hands of political groups).
SilverMK2 wrote: Doesn't the right to have guns somehow magically protect yoi from this sort of thing? I'm pretty sure that is what I've seen people say before...
It's not even that dude...
Those lower receivers are just hunks of metal. That are NOT weapons.
Unless there's something that the ATF isn't telling us, this illegal.
SilverMK2 wrote: Doesn't the right to have guns somehow magically protect yoi from this sort of thing? I'm pretty sure that is what I've seen people say before...
And the intentionally obtuse international comment of the thread goes to......
I mean, this isn't really even a 2nd amendment issue. It's a 4th amendment issue.
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In this particular case I would agree that the ATF appears to be dancing to a tune no one else can hear -though as I said, it was not that I was commenting on
SilverMK2 wrote: Doesn't the right to have guns somehow magically protect yoi from this sort of thing? I'm pretty sure that is what I've seen people say before...
Way to be purposefully ignorant.
Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions.
SilverMK2 wrote: Doesn't the right to have guns somehow magically protect yoi from this sort of thing? I'm pretty sure that is what I've seen people say before...
It can be. I do not wish to live in those times but we are now moving towards that at an accelerated pace.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
SilverMK2 wrote: Doesn't the right to have guns somehow magically protect yoi from this sort of thing? I'm pretty sure that is what I've seen people say before...
It can be. I do not wish to live in those times but we are now moving towards that at an accelerated pace.
While I can agree things are getting a bit crazy in some ways, America is a long way from the need for armed revolt
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Mr. Burning wrote: If only Ares had a licence to manufacture firearms, they could have protected their 80% receiver business.
You guys really need to ask the queen for assistance and come back into the fold. At least you know where you stand with firearms in the UK.
It would be like ATF raiding GW for metal casting. Both are chunks of metal that can only kill someone when swung hard.
Also the queen is old and outdated, both conceptually and physically. By "come back into the fold" I would assume you mean the folds in her skin?
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JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
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"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
SilverMK2 wrote: You know things are really going to kick off if the government start dumping your coffee in the river... just sayin'
Yea that would do it in about 3.7 seconds.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
cincydooley wrote: The videos of the raid on YouTube are, quite frankly, a little unsettling.
They pried the door open.
They sledgehammer open the safe.
Ares Armor has done nothing illegal.....
And no one will go to jail from the ATF. Even after a court determines Ares did nothing wrong.
"Woops, Our bad *Wink* Thanks for the list"
"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
this is just prep work to get you used to canadian style gun laws...
welcome to my world, where the rcmp and CFO (canadian firarms officers) get to both
A: make up the laws with no democratic oversight
B:change the laws at a whim, again no over sight
C: break the laws, and again, with no oversight or accountability
