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I hope it's not the same source. If it is, it's a transparent case of trolling - today's rumors manage to press every little red button: GW moneygrabbing, missing options on newer codices, assault in 6th and superheavies.

Can't be a coincidence

The super-heavy pirate land-ship is so cool that it can't possibly be real...

The Ork experiment models actually sound just like GW. And combining Ork buggies and deffkoptas might be too brilliant for GW.

I don't know. Some of this sounds true, a little too much detail to ignore but just too far fetched to take seriously...

Here are what my "sources" are telling me about Orks.

Models
-Not every kit or model "needing" an update or new plastic kit will receive one.
-There will be about 4 new plastic kits (plus/minus 1).
-At least 2 of the new kits will be for brand new units, to appeal to both collectors and gamers.
-Also, at least 1 of the new kits will be a combo kit.
-Expect to see Finecast presence in the range greatly reduced.


Codex
-The codex will be 104 pages, and more of a refinement more than a complete overhaul.
-A few mechanics will get overhauled, but many will stay the same and the rest will only be tweaked to be more in line with 6th edition.
-Ork psychic powers will definitely be brought more in line with 6th edition.
-Points changes will figure heavily -- certain heavily-used and popular units will get increases, while less popular units will get cuts.
-Expect to see about two new units.
-Playstyles will change somewhat, and a couple new "star" units will emerge.
-There won't be clan rules in the codex, but they may be included in future dataslates and supplements.


Look Mom, I can be a rumormonger too!

 gorgon wrote:
Here are what my "sources" are telling me about Orks.

Models
-Not every kit or model "needing" an update or new plastic kit will receive one.
-There will be about 4 new plastic kits (plus/minus 1).
-At least 2 of the new kits will be for brand new units, to appeal to both collectors and gamers.
-Also, at least 1 of the new kits will be a combo kit.
-Expect to see Finecast presence in the range greatly reduced.


Codex
-The codex will be 104 pages, and more of a refinement more than a complete overhaul.
-A few mechanics will get overhauled, but many will stay the same and the rest will only be tweaked to be more in line with 6th edition.
-Ork psychic powers will definitely be brought more in line with 6th edition.
-Points changes will figure heavily -- certain heavily-used and popular units will get increases, while less popular units will get cuts.
-Expect to see about two new units.
-Playstyles will change somewhat, and a couple new "star" units will emerge.
-There won't be clan rules in the codex, but they may be included in future dataslates and supplements.


Look Mom, I can be a rumormonger too!

Looks like we have a new Harry!

LOL.

I'm going to save this list and repost it for BA, SW, DE etc. with some very minor tweaks.

At this point the 6th edition pattern is so clear that it's easy to shoot down the fake stuff. The basic rule of thumb is that if they're promising a lot, it's almost certainly bogus.

 gorgon wrote:
LOL.

I'm going to save this list and repost it for BA, SW, DE etc. with some very minor tweaks.

At this point the 6th edition pattern is so clear that it's easy to shoot down the fake stuff. The basic rule of thumb is that if they're promising a lot, it's almost certainly bogus.

No no no.... what you do if you really want to make all our blood boil is go and post this over on 4Chan as an actual rumor. Then wait until someone else re-posts it here again.

You mean like half the wish-listing thread from dakka which was started about a year ago? Half the rumors floating around have their origin there, including the all-famous "orks get 6+ FNP".

I played in a tournament that gave Orks 6+ FNP, and 4+ FNP versus overwatch. It was mostly fun for when I rolled a string of lucky sixes and totally enraged my opponents

Vela looks for new ways to tank his tracker score:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/04/40k-rumors-da-orks-minis.html
May release - 5 Kits

1) Plastic Warboss: Multi-part plastic kit which make a warboss in mega armor with new weapon options.

2) Deffkoptas: Plastic box. Dual build kit with a new Grot skimmer.

3) Tankbustas/Flashgitz/Ardboys: Multi-part plastic kit which makes any of the three units.

4) Buggy/Halftrakk Plastic kit with a new Supa-rokkit Launcha option.

5) Mek/Mad-doc/Mega-armor unit (NEW): Plastic dual unit kit - First unit is similar to oversized Cyb-orks. Shoots new saw-cannon. Second unit option makes mega armor Orks

Well I'd take any of the above,


but I'm not convinced

I'll probably actually poop a little when we get some confirmed information. Regardless of if it's "awesome" news or not.
My biggest hope is that they do something to make dredbash actually playable again. My SM friend has forced them into the storage closet for now.
Fracking grenades.

I don't think that 'ard boyz will be rolled into any kit other than the baisc boyz kit. for one, all specialist kits are designed for 5 orks, not 10, which would be the bare minimum to field the boyz.
Second, that way they can increase the price on the troops box with some legitimacy, something they most probably love to do.
And again a general criticism on Flash Gitz (Nobs) being paired with any not-nob-profile unit.
I'd love to see a combi-kit of Meganobz and Flash gitz, but I think the units are too different in design to do so.

A redo of the current nobz kit, adding a flashgitz sprue for more weapons/heads/kustom bitz would make sense. And GW could justify another 5-7 dollars on a kit with another sprue.

 mikhaila wrote:
And GW could justify another 5-7 dollars10-20 dollars on a kit with another sprue.

FTFY

There's another option for Flash Gitz I'm sure everyone has in mind but noone dares speak about.

They might be out there with Marbo... :/

Another possibility for Flash Gits is that they are dropped as a unit, but Badrukk gives you an upgrade to one other unit to make them more shooty.

However, there's nothing to stop them being combined into a dual-build kit. There will be new units in the codex and it's likely that most of the new kits will include at least one new unit, because that maximizes sales even to people who had already got a version of the existing unit. Saying that they can't do a FG combo-kit is like saying a month ago that the IG wouldn't get plastic ogryns because there was only one unit that they could make.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
There's another option for Flash Gitz I'm sure everyone has in mind but noone dares speak about.

They might be out there with Marbo... :/

They have absolutely nothing in common with any of the other dropped options in both IG and nids codex. Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it any more right. Wazzdakka and Ol'Zogwort are the only codex entries that have a realistic chance of getting dropped at all. All other entries (minus looted wagon) have an official GW model.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
There's another option for Flash Gitz I'm sure everyone has in mind but noone dares speak about.

They might be out there with Marbo... :/

They have absolutely nothing in common with any of the other dropped options in both IG and nids codex. Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it any more right. Wazzdakka and Ol'Zogwort are the only codex entries that have a realistic chance of getting dropped at all. All other entries (minus looted wagon) have an official GW model.

Al'Rahem, Chenkov and Marbo all had official models.

 pretre wrote:

May release - 5 Kits

1) Plastic Warboss: Multi-part plastic kit which make a warboss in mega armor with new weapon options.

2) Deffkoptas: Plastic box. Dual build kit with a new Grot skimmer.

3) Tankbustas/Flashgitz/Ardboys: Multi-part plastic kit which makes any of the three units.

4) Buggy/Halftrakk Plastic kit with a new Supa-rokkit Launcha option.

5) Mek/Mad-doc/Mega-armor unit (NEW): Plastic dual unit kit - First unit is similar to oversized Cyb-orks. Shoots new saw-cannon. Second unit option makes mega armor Orks

I really do hope this is true, as it would fill in model slots for quite few units that most people will want to use very often (including myself). Some sort of giant ship-thing will have very little every-game utility, and so I pretty much do not care about it.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
There's another option for Flash Gitz I'm sure everyone has in mind but noone dares speak about.
They might be out there with Marbo... :/

They have absolutely nothing in common with any of the other dropped options in both IG and nids codex. Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it any more right. Wazzdakka and Ol'Zogwort are the only codex entries that have a realistic chance of getting dropped at all. All other entries (minus looted wagon) have an official GW model.

Al'Rahem, Chenkov and Marbo all had official models.

GW has stopped production of metal miniatures and is phasing out production of Finecast models.
So the above are just "deads on vacation".
All main Codices starting with Codex Tyranids are streamlined for the time AFTER metal and Finecast models are discontinued.
That's why these Codices offer less options that their predecessors, deleting most characters and some units without plastic models.

Hm... wasn't there a CC-specialised Nob unit, Slashers or something in the Dred Mob army list? If GW can add Baneblades and flyers and stuff to the main dex, why not some FW infantry idea? Those would make for a good combi-kit, though even a tripple-kit with regular Nobs would be possible.

Another kombi-kit for Commandoz and Tank hunters and maybe Plastic Meganobz/"Mekanobz" or something.

Buggies and Deffcoptas as one kit would make sense. I think there are tons of conversions out there that show how easy this actually would be.

That would be 4 new kits, 1-2 new units. Throw in some customizeable HQ if GW feels generous... I think that's what we can sensibly expect.

As for vanishing characters, I think Orks don't have that many to begin with. If they are brought in line with the other armies, the unique characters all become HQ (Badruk making FG scoring? yes please!). I second the notion that Wazzdakka and Zogwort are the only ones in danger of actually disappearing. Removing more would reduce your options of unique HQ characters to...5 or so. Not too many, but probably along the lines of what all others will have, once the model-les characters are gone from the other codices.

There hasn't been much FW jumping into Codex's, so that is doubtful.

A kommando/tankbusta kit possible... but the aesthetics aren't all that similar. Although the new Bullgrynn/Ogryn models are fairly different and in the same kit.

A meganob/megamek kit sounds smart.

Orks were an army that always received a lot of 3rd party support and I am sure that irks the current GW regime. It makes sense (and seems to follow GW's new strategy) if we see a bunch of characters disappear (or get condensed into a box a-la Nork).

If i was a betting man, I would bet that the Looted Wagon is a goner.

Alas, I look forward to actual rumors in a month or so.

Ugh. Blood Axes are my favorite Ork clan.

A new Codex, AND Supplement released at the same time?

*rips out teeth*

stormboy wrote:
Orks were an army that always received a lot of 3rd party support and I am sure that irks the current GW regime. It makes sense (and seems to follow GW's new strategy) if we see a bunch of characters disappear (or get condensed into a box a-la Nork).

If i was a betting man, I would bet that the Looted Wagon is a goner.

I can't argue with your logic, but that would be a massive slap in the face to all Ork players. OK the current incarnation of the looted wagon is a bit sh t, but looting stuff is pretty much the defining characteristic of an Ork army.

I love looting and I'll be damned if I give it up!

We had an Ork player in my old meta whose army was approaching 10k pts.

It was massive.

Two of every unit near enough.

He had a fantastic W/L record vs many armies and to this day he still says "The Ork Codex is the best one. We can beat anyone on their best day."

He still beats Eldar and Tau.

Well to cut a long story short, he's dreading a new codex in case they remove a lot of the stuff he has.

I don't think there will be removed units. With Looted Tanks Orks can just grab any GW kit, so that's not a loss for them. And as for units, there are armies with far more redundant units I think. Every unit in the codex fills an important niche. Cutting any unit out would leave the orks without some sort of important specialist. Except for buggies maybe. Anything these can do, can be achieved by Deffkoptas, imho.

 Kosake wrote:
And as for units, there are armies with far more redundant units I think. Every unit in the codex fills an important niche. Cutting any unit out would leave the orks without some sort of important specialist.

GW doesn't give a damn about making sure all armies can handle all niches. Orks already have significant gaps in their ability to deal with tough vehicles and monstrous creatures. Tau actually managed to get worse at assaulting with their latest codex, Chaos Marines lack infiltrators, Imperial Knights can't shoot fliers.

 Perfect Organism wrote:


GW doesn't give a damn about making sure all armies can handle all niches. Orks already have significant gaps in their ability to deal with tough vehicles and monstrous creatures. Tau actually managed to get worse at assaulting with their latest codex, Chaos Marines lack infiltrators, Imperial Knights can't shoot fliers.

You must not be familiar with the Power Klaw, the Deff Rolla, the Rokkit, the Shokk Attack Gun, The Zzap Gun, or the Power Klaw...

 WarlordRob117 wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:


GW doesn't give a damn about making sure all armies can handle all niches. Orks already have significant gaps in their ability to deal with tough vehicles and monstrous creatures. Tau actually managed to get worse at assaulting with their latest codex, Chaos Marines lack infiltrators, Imperial Knights can't shoot fliers.

You must not be familiar with the Power Klaw, the Deff Rolla, the Rokkit, the Shokk Attack Gun, The Zzap Gun, or the Power Klaw...

Power Klaw - Requires CC in a shooty edition

Deff Rolla - Requires tank shocking in a shooty edition

Rokkit - Tends to be on BS2 unit and is only S8, making it highly unreliable

SAG - Too unreliable against vehicles

Zzap - Even more unreliable than the SAG against vehicles.

Tank Hammer - Requires CC in a shooty edition

Bomb Squig - S8, single use.