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Anpu-adom wrote: That box would be an auto-buy from me... I'm fighting hard to save up my pennies... Codex and a new Starter in about a month...
Last I heard, the start isn't slated till late summer. But don't worry, with the dex will come that new wave, and then all us Ork players will go broke.
The starter not featuring any completely new units makes sense. So everyone buys all the new stuff, the snapfit new modells and the extra new units boxes.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Well, technocally this should be on the 7th edition thread (or perhaps we should be talking about this on a separate thread altogether) but, since it concerns Orks, I think I'll drop it here:
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Blood Angels
-Captain with Jump Pack
-Tactical Squad (10)
-Assault Squad (5)
-Terminator Squad (5)
-Cybot with Multi Melta and Autocannon
-Sangunary Priest (with Corbulo option)
According to Natfka, these are the rumored contents of the new 7th edition starter set (note; Cybot, Moscha boyz and Balla boyz are the german names for Dreadnoughts, Choppa boyz and Slugga boyz, respectively).
Still a bit skeptical about it (strange that neither side features any as of yet unseen unit), but sort of willing this to be true. Also, if rumors are to be believed, themed scenery for the starter set (perhaps the rumored bridge and ork fort) will be sold as a separate box shortly after.
Btw, am I the only one who's been reminded by all this of that old "Griznak at the bridge" short story featured on the 2nd ed. Codex Imperialis? That story has a strong emotional resonance to me as it was what finally tipped the balance towards Orks when I was choosing my first army.
Dose it me choppas and sluggas or sluggas and shootas?
Stikk bommas are special among ork society for one reason - They know when you pull the pin out of a stikk bomb you throw the bomb not the pin!
Awww... and here I was expecting Balla Boyz to be some sort of taller Ork with spiffy grenade special rules.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
I'm so excited for this codex. I've wanted to play orks for years but never had the nuts to gather sooooo many boys. I'm going to use this as a reason to start playing them (Note: This is before the codex, so no 'dex jumping from me! )
Planning on making some awesome fluff for a warboss called 'Edthinka, who is very intelligent (For an ork) and employs strategy and tries his very hardest to put up with the simplicity of his boys, awww.
"I hate 6th! Fix it GW!!!"
"Seventh edition? Feth that GW! I'm sticking with sixth to show you who is boss! Via la revolution!"
"I'm not buying anything from you no more! Apart from three riptides, new codex, starter set and rulebook... but that's it!"
Price wrote: I'm so excited for this codex. I've wanted to play orks for years but never had the nuts to gather sooooo many boys. I'm going to use this as a reason to start playing them (Note: This is before the codex, so no 'dex jumping from me! )
Planning on making some awesome fluff for a warboss called 'Edthinka, who is very intelligent (For an ork) and employs strategy and tries his very hardest to put up with the simplicity of his boys, awww.
Like Nazdreg?
Stikk bommas are special among ork society for one reason - They know when you pull the pin out of a stikk bomb you throw the bomb not the pin!
Im looking forward to whatever may be coming out for my beloved Orks, which unfortunatly havent seen much action in 6th, I have been itching to paint more stuff recently and with the upcoming changes may get the chance.
And hi to all im new here been lurking a couple of weeks.
Smuttbudgie wrote: Im looking forward to whatever may be coming out for my beloved Orks, which unfortunatly havent seen much action in 6th, I have been itching to paint more stuff recently and with the upcoming changes may get the chance.
And hi to all im new here been lurking a couple of weeks.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Still a bit skeptical about it (strange that neither side features any as of yet unseen unit)...
Which starter sets have included new units? I don't remember any, except maybe the helbrute (which is really just a renamed chaos dreadnought).
Chaos Cultists hadn't been around since 3.5. The 4th and 5th edition starter sets included no new units, and the 3rd edition starter set had the Dark Eldar in it, which were an entirely new army at the time.
rothrich wrote: The german dictionary i looked in had ballast which means to blast... could not find any relevant info on the word moscha
[spaltas is the german word for slugga so I guess no shoota boyz
Sorry, my mistake. I meant Slugga/Choppas and Shootas. Wumme is the actual german word for Shoota, but "shoota boys" are known as Ballaboyz for some reason that escapes me. I guess it is a fan convention, much like the term "shoota boyz" itself (by Codex: Orks, they're called just "boyz" regardless of their weapons choice).
Anyways, my german is barely good enough to order an expresso
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Still a bit skeptical about it (strange that neither side features any as of yet unseen unit)...
Which starter sets have included new units? I don't remember any, except maybe the helbrute (which is really just a renamed chaos dreadnought).
Chaos Cultists hadn't been around since 3.5. The 4th and 5th edition starter sets included no new units, and the 3rd edition starter set had the Dark Eldar in it, which were an entirely new army at the time.
You beat me to it. Well in some sense Deffkoptas were a "new" unit, considering they had just been introduced (or re-introduced, if we count their appearance in RT's Waaagh: The Orks) with Codex: Orks 4th edition and only had the old Gorkamorka metal kopta to represent them. Still, we don't know if Meganobz will be given new gear or options in the coming 'dex, so perhaps the rumored starter set plastics count as a "new" release.
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WarlordRob117 wrote: Plus, if the last two starter boxes are any indication, these models should be foxy to look at.
Have dynamic poses (probably still click-fit), but enough animation to really have a place in most armies...
Shoot, depending on how they look, might keep the BA just to paint
Yeah, I love getting new rank and file in starter sets. Anything that mixes in some variety amongst the big, homogeneous units is great, even if the individual models are indistinguishable in a big group and get removed in massive handfuls starting on turn 1. I'm the kind of psycho who'll individually convert 100 Skavenslaves just because I hate looking at monoposes, so getting a new batch of troopers that can be immediately tossed into existing squads is a bit of a treat.
Plastic Docs and/or Meks will also be super fun to work on. And MANz, but that goes without saying.
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I'm unsure about the likelihood of Orks in a starter box. Okay it's just a feeling / suspicion / whispers from the warp but the idea of having Orks so soon:
We had UltraSmurfs vs Tyranids in Battle of Maccragge
We had Ultrasmurfs vs Orks in Assault on Black Reach
We had Dark Angels vs Chaos in Dark Vengeance
It seems quite soon to swing back to Orks?
Have they confirmed that Blood Angels are definitely next? If so then yes I can see Orks as the classic enemy choice but otherwise I would have expected something more along the lines of Space Wolves (or generic marines) vs Eldar / Dark Eldar / Necrons / Tau
- in order to give other races more coverage and stimulate sales for another force?
Granted I don't know much and am not up to date with current leaks / rumors but damn it, it just seems wrong?
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I'd actually be sad to see Orks in a new starter box
I really can't see 'standard' releases of any unit planned for a soon to come starter
so I'd worry that we'd end up with the deffcopter situation all over again with the MANz and Kommandos only available in the box (and in suboptimal 'snapfit' style too)
I'd rather have MANz (+Warboss/BigMek) as a normal box with a wide variety of options and Kommandos perhaps as a dual kit with flashgitz and or tankhuntaz
picking stuff up cheap in a starter is superficially attractive but one thing Ork players usually have is plenty of Boyz kicking around anyway
Maybe GW will surprise us all and release Sisters of Battle Vs Daemons....
Thousand Sons: 3850pts / Space Marines Deathwatch 5000pts / Dark Eldar Webway Corsairs 2000pts / Scrapheap Challenged Orks 1500pts / Black Death 1500pts
Well, they released some kind of loyalist space marines in every single starter set they have done, so I don't think they are too afraid of repeating themselves. Second edition starter set was marines and orks, so they have done them twice already.
Generally, GW seems to like including two armies who have codex releases around the time of the new edition in the starter set. Since orks are said to be right after the new rulebook and just before the new starter set, they seem to fit that pattern best.
Orks also have an advantage in terms of not having many special rules. That makes it easier to explain the basic game rules using them as an example.
Finally, I think we can expect some miniatures which haven't been released in plastic yet in the starter set. It gives people another reason to get a starter set and lets them get away with a hole in the product line a little longer. Orks offer more opportunities in that regard than Necrons.
though i don't play 40k anymore and doubt i will with the rumors well that and i completely skipped 6th. Think i will pick up the codex regardless just because i have all the ork tomes (yes Freebooterz, 'Ere we go and all the old codexes).
I'm wondering what they will cut out Fluff wise or what gets changed. Probably make a pseudo army of all my RT/2nd ed metal orks i have and scratch building any vehicles or new things just because. Any other ork players in the same boat? lol
I really can't see 'standard' releases of any unit planned for a soon to come starter
so I'd worry that we'd end up with the deffcopter situation all over again with the MANz and Kommandos only available in the box (and in suboptimal 'snapfit' style too)
I'd rather have MANz (+Warboss/BigMek) as a normal box with a wide variety of options and Kommandos perhaps as a dual kit with flashgitz and or tankhuntaz
picking stuff up cheap in a starter is superficially attractive but one thing Ork players usually have is plenty of Boyz kicking around anyway
Commandoz and MANz are cast-metal monopose models so far, so a snapfit with an arm you can glue on in a different stance is actually an improvement. I'd love to get my hands on some armored boyz and really, any other new ork model.
As for Orks vs. Blood Angels: Lets assume that GW actually wants to finish the last remaining old-codex armies. At the moment we still have: BA, SW, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Orks and GK. BA vs Orks would be a good starting point for two remaining armies, so the interest duration for the starter box would double, as they could sell kits for two release waves, first to ork players and then to BA players.
I think Orks Vs. BA is the most likely starter set choice, if only because those are both "iconic" Warhammer 40,000 armies. Orks are a great "bad guy" and GW LOVES their space marines(doesn't hurt that they sell stupidly well).
As for the rumor about armored orks - 'ard boyz - in the starter set, I can't see even an armored ork wearing enough armor to where he can't be mixed in a mob of regular boyz and still fit in pretty well. I'd be ok with more variety, honestly.
Wulfmar wrote: I'm unsure about the likelihood of Orks in a starter box. Okay it's just a feeling / suspicion / whispers from the warp but the idea of having Orks so soon:
We had UltraSmurfs vs Tyranids in Battle of Maccragge
We had Ultrasmurfs vs Orks in Assault on Black Reach
We had Dark Angels vs Chaos in Dark Vengeance
It seems quite soon to swing back to Orks?
Have they confirmed that Blood Angels are definitely next? If so then yes I can see Orks as the classic enemy choice but otherwise I would have expected something more along the lines of Space Wolves (or generic marines) vs Eldar / Dark Eldar / Necrons / Tau
- in order to give other races more coverage and stimulate sales for another force?
Granted I don't know much and am not up to date with current leaks / rumors but damn it, it just seems wrong?
There is almost no sign of BA being the next codex.
The problem with Blood Angels vs. Orks is that it is a BOLS-rumour.
Look what BOLS was still peddling just 6 days (!) ago.
Spoiler:
So some general points after a week of looking over what's out there with "next" Edition.
- It's real - and coming fast. Look to see 40K 7th on shelves May 24th (that's 3 weeks from now)
- It's a "tuning release", so don't look for massive change. Instead look for a lot of minor tuning to fix the exploitable sections of the core rules.
- A set of core rule and codex FAQs is said to accompany the release, so if you really don't want to, you could just print out all of those, stuff them into your books and keep playing. Of course, GW would be happy to sell you another 500+ page coffee-table rulebook for upwards of $100
- Retailers reported sending back existing stocks of the core rulebook, Dark Vengeance, and the psychic cards. So...
-Look for updated psychic powers. This shouldn't shock anyone as I don't think GW has ever NOT tinkered with them during an edition changeover.
Obvious targets for tweaks which we have been hearing are:
-Allies, said to still be in, but with more restrictions
-USRs are getting tweaks
-Saves and how cover is handled, is being updated
-Integration of Escalation and Stronghold Assault are reported
So on balance, it is right up the alley of that "living rulebook" approach to new rulebooks we reported last year. The goal of that philosophy is for GW to drop regular "updated, cleaned up" versions of the rules every few years that integrate everything that has been added to the game since the last edition, instead of the old style of introducing a lot of new unknown changes all at once - which disrupts the community and metagame.
Almost everything has already been contradicted wrong. Minor tweaks? One big rulebook? Etc,,, And just the day before that, BOLS was reporting the latest details on the "upcoming" percentage system.
And the "original" Blood Angels vs. Orks "rumour" was specifically linked to BOLS odd idea of a "not-7th/living-ruleset" idea.
Launch Window - @September
Rules Summary: Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70
Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)
This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically "NOT 7th Edition."
Now they just edited the embarrassing "6.5. isn't gonna be a big change"-stuff out.
Why is everyone so eager to believe BOLS-stuff over the "near-flawless-record"-40K Radio guys, who broke the 7th Edition-news in the first place, and said that 7th is a "book-only" release?
At the very least the direct contradiction between 40K Radio and BOLS should have people put some question marks behind the BOLS-stuff, no?
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Space Marines Deathwatch 5000pts / 
Dark Eldar Webway Corsairs 2000pts / 
Scrapheap Challenged Orks 1500pts / 
Black Death 1500pts
Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
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