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Yeah, if the Ork Big Gunz are being entirely redone, maybe they'll be good enough to make them into the 2nd Ed style crazy artillery rather than the Generic Goff/Gorkamorka/3rd-Ed Era boring "Blast Krak Launcher/Fancy Lascannon/Bigger Mortar".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, if the Ork Big Gunz are being entirely redone, maybe they'll be good enough to make them into the 2nd Ed style crazy artillery rather than the Generic Goff/Gorkamorka/3rd-Ed Era boring "Blast Krak Launcher/Fancy Lascannon/Bigger Mortar".

Loved me some Pulsa Rokkitz and Splatta Kannonz...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, if the Ork Big Gunz are being entirely redone, maybe they'll be good enough to make them into the 2nd Ed style crazy artillery rather than the Generic Goff/Gorkamorka/3rd-Ed Era boring "Blast Krak Launcher/Fancy Lascannon/Bigger Mortar".

I...kinda hope not? I know that Crazy Weapons where the RT era Ork's thing, but as someone who came in with the 4th edition book I would rather the focus of the orks be on the boyz, rather than backslide into an ork version of the Warp Storm

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, if the Ork Big Gunz are being entirely redone, maybe they'll be good enough to make them into the 2nd Ed style crazy artillery rather than the Generic Goff/Gorkamorka/3rd-Ed Era boring "Blast Krak Launcher/Fancy Lascannon/Bigger Mortar".

I...kinda hope not? I know that Crazy Weapons where the RT era Ork's thing, but as someone who came in with the 4th edition book I would rather the focus of the orks be on the boyz, rather than backslide into an ork version of the Warp Storm

If they could work out that crazy and interesting doesn't have to mean completely freaking random then I don't think it would be a problem.

 plastictrees wrote:
If they could work out that crazy and interesting doesn't have to mean completely freaking random then I don't think it would be a problem.

Oh... damn. Forgot this was GW. Well, I guess that means we'll be getting lots and lots of random cinematic Big Gunz. I mean, the Orks aren't going to forge that narrative themselves. Too busy fighting to do that. It's up to us!

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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 oldone wrote:
Hey I feel like this is sort of related but I've got the 7th ed book and I was looking through it, and I notice the ork pages in the background book with this image which looked off to me for ages and I know why, it's a mek in mega armour with a kustom force field on the back. Is it possible hint?

ZOMG, 2+ armour AND giving off a 5+ cover (potentially 5+ invuln. in the next book) save? Sweet Mork that would be bootiful. I am crying green tears of WAAAGHness if this is true.

With "Ignores Cover" being so rampant I'll be highly disappointed if it doesn't give an invulnerable save.

As for heads on models, unless he's a clamshell on his own I'd hold out the possibility of alternate heads in a kit. Then again it's not like they can't offer a couple different heads in a clamshell either.

Watch it cost like, fifty points, if it gives a 5+ invulnerable save. I mean, if it doesn't get nerfed to only protect the models within the bubble.

All these Ork changes are looking interesting. It'd be nice to see some Greenskins on the table in my area again, rather than all Guardsmen/Eldar, all the time.

So, the Gorkanaut - going to be the Ork version of a Knight Titan, or a bigger Ork Dreadnaught?

Given that it already costs 50 points in the Ork book for only a 5+ cover save I would take it in a heartbeat.

Buy a stompa before it jumps up in price
Is my thought

The naught looks OK I guess looks like a super mega nob same type of boxy look

But as an ork player yes will prob be bought then altered
was so hopeing for a tank damn it all though i am going to be rooked next month if orks come out

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
If they could work out that crazy and interesting doesn't have to mean completely freaking random then I don't think it would be a problem.

Oh... damn. Forgot this was GW. Well, I guess that means we'll be getting lots and lots of random cinematic Big Gunz. I mean, the Orks aren't going to forge that narrative themselves. Too busy fighting to do that. It's up to us!

Yeah... would anyone be surprised at this point if they (re)introduce a bunch of different artillery options, but have us select them randomly from a table on deployment?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
If they could work out that crazy and interesting doesn't have to mean completely freaking random then I don't think it would be a problem.

Oh... damn. Forgot this was GW. Well, I guess that means we'll be getting lots and lots of random cinematic Big Gunz. I mean, the Orks aren't going to forge that narrative themselves. Too busy fighting to do that. It's up to us!

I'm sorry but maybe you haven't read up 1st and 2nd ed Orks.

It should be random, by all accounts. This is what it is supposed to be.
The gamey crybaby WAAC folks need not apply

Hi there, Fresh-Faced New User.

You're new here, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Nevertheless, complaining about WAAC players in your 29th post is probably not a good way to ingratiate yourself with this community.

Just a thought.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, if the Ork Big Gunz are being entirely redone, maybe they'll be good enough to make them into the 2nd Ed style crazy artillery rather than the Generic Goff/Gorkamorka/3rd-Ed Era boring "Blast Krak Launcher/Fancy Lascannon/Bigger Mortar".

I'd kind of like to see a mid-range between the two. I love the crazy old Bubble Chukka and stuff, but I'd hate to go back to keeping track of Buzzer Squig swarms on the board.

I'd like to see the Big Gunz work kind of like their Humie equivalents, but with an orky twist. You could have a fun 'misfire' result for all of them:

Lobbas lob one of the grots, thus both removing a gunner model and bonking someone one the battlefield with a grot).

Kannons have different sorts of ammo and the grots load the wrong type.

The zzap gun already fries a grot, but you could make it more a test of orkish craziness. The longer the grot holds down the lever, the more damage the zzap gun does. Choose how many d6s to roll and have a table (so you could get some crazy good STR and AP, but you might not only fry a grot, but blow up the whole thing or blast your own guys).

I mean, to GW, "roll on a table" = cinematic, right? Maybe we could get some tables!

I'm still hoping they go back to the first table on the Blitza bommer, where the most damaging attack it could make was the one where it arrowed into the target instead of pulling out. I wouldn't mind losing my bommer if he cratered a land raider while doing it.

 44Ronin wrote:
It should be random, by all accounts. This is what it is supposed to be.
The gamey crybaby WAAC folks need not apply

'Gamey crybaby WAAC folks' by and large don't play Orks.

I do. Have done since 2nd edition, when they did have all sorts of random stuff.



Random isn't in itself a bad thing. The problem is with the way GW implement those random elements... because they seem to think that it's perfectly reasonable for something good, something brilliant, and something absolutely rubbish to all cost the same number of points. See Codex: Knights for this in action.

And that's bad game design, and frustrating for the players. Even those of us who play Orks because they are fun... because it makes them less fun.

You'll have to forgive me as I've not actually played the game for a number of years. Getting back into it now and started making an Ork army before I even knew they were getting redone.

Simple question, does the Stomper now become part of the standard codex or is there some other rules/game its used in?

cheers/

 insaniak wrote:
... because they seem to think that it's perfectly reasonable for something good, something brilliant, and something absolutely rubbish to all cost the same number of points. See Codex: Knights for this in action.

No, at this point I don't believe they have enough insight to understand that one of the options is better / worse than the other. Which might just be the root of the problem.

 insaniak wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
It should be random, by all accounts. This is what it is supposed to be.
The gamey crybaby WAAC folks need not apply

'Gamey crybaby WAAC folks' by and large don't play Orks.

I do. Have done since 2nd edition, when they did have all sorts of random stuff.



Random isn't in itself a bad thing. The problem is with the way GW implement those random elements... because they seem to think that it's perfectly reasonable for something good, something brilliant, and something absolutely rubbish to all cost the same number of points. See Codex: Knights for this in action.

And that's bad game design, and frustrating for the players. Even those of us who play Orks because they are fun... because it makes them less fun.

If you can't handle randomness then don't take the random units, it's that simple. I don't want to return to the boretastic, dull and characterless 3rd ed Orks with a lack of fun options

Boring, dull armies is bad game design.

 Grimskul wrote:
Given that it already costs 50 points in the Ork book for only a 5+ cover save I would take it in a heartbeat.

I think almost every ork player would be happy with that change.

 44Ronin wrote:

It should be random, by all accounts. This is what it is supposed to be.
The gamey crybaby WAAC folks need not apply

Wanting to reliably turn up with some semi dependable long-ranged fire support (usually anti tank) other than lootas does not make someone a WAAC player.

 Darkseid wrote:
No, at this point I don't believe they have enough insight to understand that one of the options is better / worse than the other. Which might just be the root of the problem.

I have to agree. A lack of understanding from the people creating these rules is what's causing these problems.

Nor does not wanting to have the control of your army ripped away from your hands because you rolled a 1 makes someone a WAAC gamer.

 44Ronin wrote:

If you can't handle randomness then don't take the random units, it's that simple. I don't want to return to the boretastic, dull and characterless 3rd ed Orks with a lack of fun options
Boring, dull armies is bad game design.

Losing a game to a random chart on a single dice roll not even influenced by your opponent is bad game design.

The fella who takes a librarian HQ and loses it before the game's even started due to the daemons storm chart, for example.

Charts can still be included, but making everything entirely random takes the game and pulls it further from chess and more into snakes and ladders. I'd like my decision making, and that of my opponent, to have bearing on winning or losing the game.

Well, Orks could use a dose of Orc Animosity!

Always makes for a good narrative for orks when they're too busy fighting themselves vs. fighting the opponent!

Big Mek, Mega Armour and KFF is a auto buy for me... a Bad Moon Big Mek looking down at his Death Skull counterpart with a big broad grin, tapping his shiny new armour, oh yes.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Nor does not wanting to have the control of your army ripped away from your hands because you rolled a 1 makes someone a WAAC gamer.

Number 1 rule of good game development, never (or at least limit it) take control of the game away from the player.

For $105 bucks that thing better be awesome. I like the way to looks (gakky picture aside) but the rules better justify the price tag

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Well, Orks could use a dose of Orc Animosity!

Always makes for a good narrative for orks when they're too busy fighting themselves vs. fighting the opponent!

I really, really hope this is sarcasm.

Animosity is a large part of why I stopped playing Orcs & Goblins in WHFB. Random is all fun and games, until you get ready to execute your plan and then totally get fethed over by a single die roll.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Well, Orks could use a dose of Orc Animosity!

Always makes for a good narrative for orks when they're too busy fighting themselves vs. fighting the opponent!

I really, really hope this is sarcasm.

Animosity is a large part of why I stopped playing Orcs & Goblins in WHFB. Random is all fun and games, until you get ready to execute your plan and then totally get fethed over by a single die roll.

You sir have your sarcasm meter on!

GW still trotting down the Warmachine path...

These posts make me sad. I see the fire flickering in the eyes of the posters, wanting so badly for things to start being good again.

Orks are the best army and the wart on the ass of the imperium.

I miss the epic battles of Orks vs Sisters.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Losing a game to a random chart on a single dice roll not even influenced by your opponent is bad game design.

The fella who takes a librarian HQ and loses it before the game's even started due to the daemons storm chart, for example.

No that's fricken awesome
If it's a choice to taken a unit with randomness, then It's always a case of self inflicted.

I laugh when the shokk attack gun blows up my own Orks

I couldn't care less about the people who say it's 'unreliable'.

unreliable is the whole point.

High risk/reward is an awesome mechanic as far as I'm concerned

Has anyone considered the Gork/Morkanaut to be some sort of "Return of the Ruzzbot?" The smallest type of stompa, basically a looted tank with an arm or two, ready to roll across the battlefield and krump things.. I wouldn't be surprised if a giant hammer was the other CCW option.

 Deunstephe wrote:
Has anyone considered the Gork/Morkanaut to be some sort of "Return of the Ruzzbot?" The smallest type of stompa, basically a looted tank with an arm or two, ready to roll across the battlefield and krump things.. I wouldn't be surprised if a giant hammer was the other CCW option.

Interesting thought!

 Deunstephe wrote:
It's going to be the equivalent of a Dreadknight or a Knight Titan - I'm guessing Dreadknight, since Orks don't have any oval-base walkers yet.

What if it was a regular walker? I'd find it odd if they gave transport capacity to a MC... Squiggoths have it, but they are one of those wonky FW units so they might get a pass.