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 Red Corsair wrote:
I don't think the guns are buggy duel kits. If you look closely they don't even have a rear end. It's just wheels and shield in the front.

It could be that the kit gives you two sets of wheels but you only use one if assembling the piece as an artillery piece rather than a buggy.

Wishful thinking perhaps, but whatever faults GW has, they usually give you quite a lot of extra bitz in their kits.

It would also frankly be rather embarrassing to have photos of those ancient buggies/traks in the new codex. But I guess they could be saving them for a supplement (perhaps removing the entry from the codex proper and re-introducing them in a speed-freak supplement)

So let's look at what models still need plastic kits, and there is still no visual confirmation:

Ghazghkull
Grotsnik
Wazdakka - will he exist?
Zogwort - will he exist?
Weirdboy
Tankbustas
Kommandos
Buggies
Koptas
Badrukk - will he exist? Supplement?
Snikrot - will he exist?
Zagstruk - will he exist?

I'm hoping we get them all :p

*edit* by exist I mean continue to have rules in the codex

Badrukk, Zagstruk and Snikrot already have models so they will be more HQ choices..

Koptas are meant to be plastic models so i'm looking forward to seeing them

I am hoping that Nazdreg makes a comeback before some of the other characters make a come back.

Did anyone gets today's WD? Any updates in there that we haven't seen yet?

So, did the Flash Gitz get any cheaper? I'm seeing 11- points in the corner of the picture, and it's 22/per extra up to 10.


If it's a cost reduction, that plus the loss of having to pay for every damn upgrade, plus the three hits, plus bs3, makes it all sound a lot more useful. Oh, and bosspoles on every one, standard. That's sweet when they already have two wounds.

 ntdars wrote:
Did anyone gets today's WD? Any updates in there that we haven't seen yet?

I did, nothing really that we haven't seen, just confirmation of the KFF affecting models, not units

Leerjawise wrote:
So let's look at what models still need plastic kits, and there is still no visual confirmation:

Ghazghkull
Grotsnik
Wazdakka - will he exist?
Zogwort - will he exist?
Weirdboy
Tankbustas
Kommandos
Buggies
Koptas
Badrukk - will he exist? Supplement?
Snikrot - will he exist?
Zagstruk - will he exist?

I'm hoping we get them all :p

*edit* by exist I mean continue to have rules in the codex

I think there will be a Kopta Kit even if it is a reissue of the AoBR kit. Reason being the old kit is no longer available on the website. I also have the feeling that since Orks have been neglected for so long that they may have more kits than a normal release, meaning a tankbusta/kommando kit is still on the menu.

 Impunity wrote:
So, did the Flash Gitz get any cheaper? I'm seeing 11- points in the corner of the picture, and it's 22/per extra up to 10.


If it's a cost reduction, that plus the loss of having to pay for every damn upgrade, plus the three hits, plus bs3, makes it all sound a lot more useful. Oh, and bosspoles on every one, standard. That's sweet when they already have two wounds.

Yeah, they were 25 points, so a small reduction. Since they all have bosspoles, it is likely that bosspoles do something new

Leerjawise wrote:

 Impunity wrote:
So, did the Flash Gitz get any cheaper? I'm seeing 11- points in the corner of the picture, and it's 22/per extra up to 10.


If it's a cost reduction, that plus the loss of having to pay for every damn upgrade, plus the three hits, plus bs3, makes it all sound a lot more useful. Oh, and bosspoles on every one, standard. That's sweet when they already have two wounds.

Yeah, they were 25 points, so a small reduction. Since they all have bosspoles, it is likely that bosspoles do something new

Actually, pretty much all of their upgrades were MANDATORY if you were running them so they were more like 40 points a model.

 ntdars wrote:
Did anyone gets today's WD? Any updates in there that we haven't seen yet?

Drove all the way to the LGS to pick it up before work, just to have them tell me it should have been it but it was delayed for some reason.

So it wouldn't be a complete loss I picked up 7E while I was there.

 ntdars wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:

 Impunity wrote:
So, did the Flash Gitz get any cheaper? I'm seeing 11- points in the corner of the picture, and it's 22/per extra up to 10.


If it's a cost reduction, that plus the loss of having to pay for every damn upgrade, plus the three hits, plus bs3, makes it all sound a lot more useful. Oh, and bosspoles on every one, standard. That's sweet when they already have two wounds.

Yeah, they were 25 points, so a small reduction. Since they all have bosspoles, it is likely that bosspoles do something new

Actually, pretty much all of their upgrades were MANDATORY if you were running them so they were more like 40 points a model.

Two of their upgrades are unavailable now, 1 is built in their increased fire. -5 for eavy armor, +1 for stikkbombs, +5 for bosspole (assuming no change) so differences are effectively 9 points, 1 extra shot, and ere we go instead of Waaagh, higher limit on ammo runts, 1 is a character, and can take dedicated transports.

Painboy availability is up in the air for now. I think the best buff is that they can score now, so they should make decent objective sitters

Leerjawise wrote:

 Impunity wrote:
So, did the Flash Gitz get any cheaper? I'm seeing 11- points in the corner of the picture, and it's 22/per extra up to 10.


If it's a cost reduction, that plus the loss of having to pay for every damn upgrade, plus the three hits, plus bs3, makes it all sound a lot more useful. Oh, and bosspoles on every one, standard. That's sweet when they already have two wounds.

Yeah, they were 25 points, so a small reduction. Since they all have bosspoles, it is likely that bosspoles do something new

They lost heavy armor though.

Last edition the +1 shot was mandatory, making them 30. The +1 AP was pretty much the same. So they ran 35, then one was flipped to a pain boy. And it was often worth it to make them cyborgs. Really, 10 were at least 440 points at the end of the day. They are half that now with better shooting.

Also great is the dedicated wagons and trukks. In the past they were like two heavies since you needed the wagon.

I for one, am going to enjoy fielding min 10 of them, perhaps in two squads or one squad.

I just want the new codex! come fasta! Maybee if we paint the codex red, it'll be here next week!

Rubs wrote:
People are forgeting they got rid of gets hot too.

They only had Gets Hot if you bought the Blasta upgrade. Not that it was too much a worry if you took a painboy

ooo im liking the new er we go rules if they are correct.


getting a re roll to a charge dice makes a big difference

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

Rubs wrote:
People are forgeting they got rid of gets hot too.

They only had Gets Hot if you bought the Blasta upgrade. Not that it was too much a worry if you took a painboy

Yep, your right so I edited my post, not fast enough though

Would it be wrong to suggest that I get the feeling that this release is probably more aimed at the veterans than the younger player. With the release of Flashgitz (for those who remember Freebooters), artillery that is reminiscent of 2nd edition codex and the Runtbot esc M/Gorkanaut. Could it be that GW are hoping to please the veteran gamer?

Is GW actually trying to please or just recycling old ideas?

I wonder if they will introduce any of the old upgrades or the paindok.

The only thing that bothers me about this release is that gork/morkanaut and new big guns change the aesthetics of the army.
Could this be GWs way of guiding the ork army to a total new look. And altering the feel of the army.

Inb4 buggies are unchanged

Definitely agree Gits are much better than before. They needed more shots, less points, and dedicated transport, and they got all of that.

I wonder if they will introduce any of the old upgrades or the paindok.

Just ally in Dread Mob and the Painboss.

 loki old fart wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about this release is that gork/morkanaut and new big guns change the aesthetics of the army.
Could this be GWs way of guiding the ork army to a total new look. And altering the feel of the army.

Do you really think this significantly alters the current look?

The Gorkanaut looks like the deff dredd and the stomp smashed together and had a baby, so looks about right. The guns look like they are various guns attached to scrap from various ork vehicles.

That seems about right to me on both counts.

I don't feel it is a total change of direction artistically speaking. There are a lot of similarities between what is there and the Deff Dread and kans. There are differences but if you look at the old epic this is more of a move back to that and away from the more grungy mad max style to a more comic relief style.

For example



As my personal preference I like the style they had before, not the relatively clean style of the M/Gorkanaut. Though nothing some conversion couldn't fix it will just take longer. Big guns are more the style that we like more like the ork trukk.

 PhillyT wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about this release is that gork/morkanaut and new big guns change the aesthetics of the army.
Could this be GWs way of guiding the ork army to a total new look. And altering the feel of the army.

Do you really think this significantly alters the current look?

The Gorkanaut looks like the deff dredd and the stomp smashed together and had a baby, so looks about right. The guns look like they are various guns attached to scrap from various ork vehicles.

That seems about right to me on both counts.

It feels off, if you know what I mean. Something not quite right.

 PhillyT wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about this release is that gork/morkanaut and new big guns change the aesthetics of the army.
Could this be GWs way of guiding the ork army to a total new look. And altering the feel of the army.

Do you really think this significantly alters the current look?

The Gorkanaut looks like the deff dredd and the stomp smashed together and had a baby, so looks about right. The guns look like they are various guns attached to scrap from various ork vehicles.

That seems about right to me on both counts.

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. Take a close look at the parts of the gorkanaut... It has a lot of rivets, but it lacks the ramshackle appearance of the other ork vehicles. It's made with large, smooth, fitted parts. In fact, the only thing that makes it look orky is the claw, head, and overall silhouette of the model. And since Jes Goodwin came out and said that the designers focus on silhouettes when making models, I can say they succeeded, but it has a well built look to it. Which is a bit hard to process considering that's what I naturally like to look at, but understand that's not the way that this should look. IT NEEDS TO LOOK UGLIER!

 loki old fart wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about this release is that gork/morkanaut and new big guns change the aesthetics of the army.
Could this be GWs way of guiding the ork army to a total new look. And altering the feel of the army.

Do you really think this significantly alters the current look?

The Gorkanaut looks like the deff dredd and the stomp smashed together and had a baby, so looks about right. The guns look like they are various guns attached to scrap from various ork vehicles.

That seems about right to me on both counts.

It feels off, if you know what I mean. Something not quite right.

I can agree with that for the gorkanaut, but the big guns look about right, though it is hard to tell from that picture.

Not really sure. I have a gorkanaut pre-ordered so I will see what I get out of it. I am confident I can get it to match up and look good in my dredd mob.

Quarterdime: Come on, there are rounded components on other models. I think this is likely a little bit about the GW paint style. I bet we can make it look much more beat up.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about this release is that gork/morkanaut and new big guns change the aesthetics of the army.
Could this be GWs way of guiding the ork army to a total new look. And altering the feel of the army.

Do you really think this significantly alters the current look?

The Gorkanaut looks like the deff dredd and the stomp smashed together and had a baby, so looks about right. The guns look like they are various guns attached to scrap from various ork vehicles.

That seems about right to me on both counts.

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. Take a close look at the parts of the gorkanaut... It has a lot of rivets, but it lacks the ramshackle appearance of the other ork vehicles. It's made with large, smooth, fitted parts. In fact, the only thing that makes it look orky is the claw, head, and overall silhouette of the model. And since Jes Goodwin came out and said that the designers focus on silhouettes when making models, I can say they succeeded, but it has a well built look to it. Which is a bit hard to process considering that's what I naturally like to look at, but understand that's not the way that this should look. IT NEEDS TO LOOK UGLIER!

Yeah that's part of it if you look at it straight on and close up it looks like the entrance to a orky compound. Take the legs and weapons off, add some walls and bingo.

Personally, I like the cleaner aesthetic.

It looks like a scaled up EPIC model and not a garbage heap, held together with Ork good intentions and oversized bolts.

I can hammer on random parts to make it look more Kustom.

 adamsouza wrote:
Personally, I like the cleaner aesthetic.

It looks like a scaled up EPIC model and not a garbage heap, held together with Ork good intentions and oversized bolts.

I can hammer on random parts to make it look more Kustom.

Agreed, I disliked the busy apron of the Stompa, really, Orks never loot large thick sheets of metal? Or only in 1 square foot sheets? The Gorkanaut looks like the doors have been cut down and riveted, nothing on it seems like it is perfect or cut to fit unless it is part of a moving mechanism. I like the balance, and gives us lots of flat surfaces to attach plates, horns, glyphs, and other bitz. It honestly reminds me of the Dakka Jet, which is quite possibly my favorite 40k model.

The collar plate, kneecaps, those segmented band-things around its armpits, probably something on the backside too if I could actually get to look at it.