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Those mek guns seem more suited to the current artillery rules than the tiny little 'big guns'. They are a similar size to the eldar artillery.

That price for one gun seems harsh, almost twice what I was hoping for. Hopefully there will be enough spare parts to kitbash several guns out of the kit at least.

I can't wait to see rules. Hoping they're gonna be heavy duty AT that we need. Flinging tanks around with smasha gun and bubbling riptides could be a hoot!

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Those mek guns seem more suited to the current artillery rules than the tiny little 'big guns'. They are a similar size to the eldar artillery.

That price for one gun seems harsh, almost twice what I was hoping for. Hopefully there will be enough spare parts to kitbash several guns out of the kit at least.

It will be interesting to see how they designed the kit, whether the different gunz share too many parts to make several gunz out of a single kit + some plasticard, or if they are such that each kit effectively gives you 3 gunz if you put in the effort.

$38 a pop for the new artillery pieces? Oufff, that is a lot of money.

By comparison, the FW Killkannon is $29:



I think GW is going a bit too far into the idea that a couple extra bits = much higher price tag, especially when they're out-pricing even their luxury branch.

hurtmypony wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:

Regardless, Killa Kans won't go to fast attack, they aren't exactly speedy.

Killa Kans are/were already Fast Attack as per the Dread Mob rules in Imperial Armour 8.

yeah, sure... but the imperial armor series are forge world books, not gw, and therefore supplemental rules. which means the current codex overrules them until gw publishes a book demonstrating otherwise. so they are heavy support, and not fast attack.
and i'd rather the big mek gain the ability to take kanz as a troops choice, like they can with dreads.

I'm not sure why people get so militant when someone brings up mathematical probabilities in a game based upon probability. Just because we like to know the average effectiveness of a given model/unit/wargear doesn't somehow invalidate you because you don't care.

Take for example a unit that hits on 1s, one on 4s and one on 5s.

The unit that hits on 1s fires 10 times and gets 10 hits.
The unit that hits on 4s fires 20 times and gets 10 hits.
The unit that hits on 5s fires 30 times and gets 10 hits.

Same averages, but different StDevs. When someone says X hits/wounds by an army (orks, marines, etc.) I know what that means in terms of standard deviation. With the above example, the unit hitting on 1s can never get more (or less) than 10 hits. The one hitting on 5s can get more than 10 fairly easily (but also less).


One of the many reasons I like Orks the best is because the standard deviation is so high.

morpheuschild wrote:

hurtmypony wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:

Regardless, Killa Kans won't go to fast attack, they aren't exactly speedy.

Killa Kans are/were already Fast Attack as per the Dread Mob rules in Imperial Armour 8.

yeah, sure... but the imperial armor series are forge world books, not gw, and therefore supplemental rules. which means the current codex overrules them until gw publishes a book demonstrating otherwise. so they are heavy support, and not fast attack.

You aren't reading what he wrote.

It was said that Kanz can't be FA because they aren't fast. On the other hand, Dread Mob has them as FA with the only change being that you can take 5 per unit - still not speedy. So yes, there is precedence for them moving to FA or more likely El.

 Accolade wrote:
$38 a pop for the new artillery pieces? Oufff, that is a lot of money.

By comparison, the FW Killkannon is $29:



I think GW is going a bit too far into the idea that a couple extra bits = much higher price tag, especially when they're out-pricing even their luxury branch.

Kit prices didn't really start jumping up all that much until they announced getting smaller tooling to do more detailed work a year or so ago with the Hobbit stuff. Makes me think that the smaller tooling, while capable of tighter, more detailed stuff, must be pretty darned expensive, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it wears out a lot faster requiring them to charge more to be able to replace it.

Just my random thoughts on it.

Can we take the stat bitching to pm? Too much penis waving and not enough rumours methinks. Has its place but the debate ia getting way off topic...

 ClockworkZion wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, at first glance I thought the new big gunz must have more significant rules because they are much more sugnificant models. If they are similar to the old big gunz in rules then they are a pretty bad deal though.

I don't know, following the rules for Artillery wouldn't be that bad. T7 is decent against Shooting at least.


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 PhillyT wrote:
That would be cool, though in the pictures we have seen, they are a battery of three!

No, what we saw was 3 models next to each other. We have no proof that they were a battery.

Of course its no proof, but the logical extension is that these are replacing the current batteries, which makes sense. With no rumor of replacements for big guns, these would appear to be it.

There may be 1,408,942,080 possible snazzguns, but a lot of them will look stupid.

It's like there are 171576 possible 3 letter words, but I doubt you will find 'qqn' in a dictionary

 PhillyT wrote:
Of course its no proof, but the logical extension is that these are replacing the current batteries, which makes sense. With no rumor of replacements for big guns, these would appear to be it.

Yeaaaaaah. With GW I wouldn't try to apply logic. The person who put those models next to each other is a photographer, not a developer. They probably didn't even know what the rules were at the time and just put them there as given to them by the 'Eavy Metal team.


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 YourIntestines wrote:
There may be 1,408,942,080 possible snazzguns, but a lot of them will look stupid.

It's like there are 171576 possible 3 letter words, but I doubt you will find 'qqn' in a dictionary

If a major triple-A game can use the number of gun combinations as a selling point (see: Borderlands whose main selling point was how different and varied every single gun was), then GW doing it isn't that dumb.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 YourIntestines wrote:
There may be 1,408,942,080 possible snazzguns, but a lot of them will look stupid.

It's like there are 171576 possible 3 letter words, but I doubt you will find 'qqn' in a dictionary

If a major triple-A game can use the number of gun combinations as a selling point (see: Borderlands whose main selling point was how different and varied every single gun was), then GW doing it isn't that dumb.

I'm not saying it's dumb, i'm just saying that you are more likely to have the same snazzgun as someone else than you would expect from that number.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:If it is one per box then it's won't be hard to use the spare guns to build 3 extra of your own

especially with the size of the carriage they are on fitting in very well with a huge range of kids toys with outsized wheels plus a bit of plasticard

so I'd almost prefer 1 for $38 than 3 for $60

Yeah, if it's 1 for $38 and I end up getting a box, I'll repurpose old gorka morka vehicles into new chassis for the extra guns I think.

That said, depending on how much they put into the vehicles, it could be possible to fit 3 vehicles and 1 of each gun on the sprues for that price. I think 1 vehicle is much more likely considering the price.

I feel like they will come in boxes of three, look at the product placement in this pic. All the box sets are grouped together, with the Borkanauts separated by a Deffdread.

That said, if they aren't...well I can see myself converting a bunch from my old trukks too

We can always take the chassis from our looted wagons and mount a big gun on top. Then you got 2 big guns down, 2 conversions left to go.

 Dez wrote:
I feel like they will come in boxes of three, look at the product placement in this pic. All the box sets are grouped together, with the Borkanauts separated by a Deffdread.

That said, if they aren't...well I can see myself converting a bunch from my old trukks too

I hope you're right.

If it were 3 separate kits, wouldn't we see more than 3 grots (I'm guessing that at least 3 more are hidden behind the guns). There should be 18 of them if it is 3 kits displayed.

Based on git costs I'm assuming one complete gun per box with spares. However some bashing may yield 3?...

I spy five grots in that pic, 2 can be seen hiding behind the gun Shields like the cowardly wretches they are.

 Dez wrote:
I feel like they will come in boxes of three, look at the product placement in this pic. All the box sets are grouped together, with the Borkanauts separated by a Deffdread.

That said, if they aren't...well I can see myself converting a bunch from my old trukks too

To play devil's advocate: we have no word that the kit is coming with a Mek and he's right next to those gunz. Placement proves nothing.

 Dez wrote:
I feel like they will come in boxes of three, look at the product placement in this pic. All the box sets are grouped together, with the Borkanauts separated by a Deffdread.

That said, if they aren't...well I can see myself converting a bunch from my old trukks too

Getting another look at their relative size, I think three could fit in one box. They aren't that wide or long, nor are the guns themselves that large or complex.

Also looking closer at those Guns, the lower chassis looks fairly identical between the three of them. The middle and right one even seem to share the same kind of blast shield (the one on the left looks like it has the same thing as well, just with a different bit on it).

I'm thinking it's 1 per kit.

The determining factor is whether the kit is one chassis and all four guns (a smaller box), or 3 chassis with only one of each gun option (larger box).

The current Eldar artillery would be the "small" option:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eldar-Support-Weapon

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If it is one per box then it's won't be hard to use the spare guns to build 3 extra of your own

especially with the size of the carriage they are on fitting in very well with a huge range of kids toys with outsized wheels plus a bit of plasticard

so I'd almost prefer 1 for $38 than 3 for $60

Yeah, including all the extra gun parts is basically saying "Scratchbuilders, here's sime freebie artillery." Even buying a set of spare Trukk wheels off ebay makes this a bargain.

They are pretty similar to Kanz size and they come as three in a box for $46.

I have 6 Gorkatrukks which sound like they will become 'mek gunz'.

Also, Mek Gunz doesn't sound like 'big gunz' are going away. I can't imagine getting rid of kannons/zzzaps/lobbas for 2nd edition throwbacks. Maybe a true ork gunline will be a new way of life?

Those Mek Gunz look a little too orderly, sitting next to each other - they look a little too copy/paste. I would need to kitbash them anyway to keep them from all looking the same.

well at the very least im glad that i am doing a retro ork army and i have smasha guns/splatta kannons. Now time to snatch up some traktor kannons on ebay for cheap.

Really though, either these are a replacement for the current gun batteries or the current gun batteries are eliminated from the book and replaced by these.

There is no way both will appear in the codex. The batteries are ancient models.

 Multimoog wrote:
Those Mek Gunz look a little too orderly, sitting next to each other - they look a little too copy/paste. I would need to kitbash them anyway to keep them from all looking the same.

That's why I don't think they're 3-in-1 box. There isn't a lot of variety going on and GW is usually pretty good about putting some variety inside of a kit to keep the models inside from coming out looking the same.

morpheuschild wrote:

hurtmypony wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:

Regardless, Killa Kans won't go to fast attack, they aren't exactly speedy.

Killa Kans are/were already Fast Attack as per the Dread Mob rules in Imperial Armour 8.

yeah, sure... but the imperial armor series are forge world books, not gw, and therefore supplemental rules. which means the current codex overrules them until gw publishes a book demonstrating otherwise. so they are heavy support, and not fast attack.
and i'd rather the big mek gain the ability to take kanz as a troops choice, like they can with dreads.

FW is GW. It's the same company. Everything FW makes is a GW product. I can post proof in the form of pics from the current FW catalogue, but to summarize, it states quite clearly that FW is GW.