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Ugh was really hoping you could still do the all Killa Kans all the time army.

Meganobz have "deep strike" rule?
Changes in SAG rules?

Might need to reread but it looks like a Bigmek on bike can get a Shock Attack gun, that new?

 pretre wrote:
Anything that gets you bike troops?

I suspect Codex-side FOC shenanigans might be a thing of the past now that we have multi-FOC and Unbound built into the core rules.

Hollismason wrote:
That would totally suck if you couldn't take bikes as troops.

Indeed. Altho it wouldn't surprise me if they sneak in a dataslate that allows for this, like with tyranids, it's a real pain to lose one of the current codex's few strengths.

Well, KFF being an invul is awesome though since its models it probably wont affect more than a unit of boyz lol. No cover while doin a green tide.

Only the vehicle gets the save now? it no longer extends it from the hull 6" out? ewwwww......thats a huge hit to wagon lists and also puts a noose in my gorkanaut idea (kff mek + 5 burnas with 3 meks inside gorkanaut giving the kff buff around him and 4 4+ chances to fix said gorkanaut)

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Anything that gets you bike troops?

I suspect Codex-side FOC shenanigans might be a thing of the past now that we have multi-FOC and Unbound built into the core rules.

Yeah, quite possibly. I don't know that I own two real troops though. Maybe 2x10 grots.

 WildDuck wrote:
Meganobz have "deep strike" rule?
Changes in SAG rules?

Seem the same except the double 6 vortex I mentioned.

Mega Nobz dont have deepstrike, can take a pair of kill saws (armour bane)

Nobz in boys squads can now take kombi shootas.


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 pretre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Anything that gets you bike troops?

I suspect Codex-side FOC shenanigans might be a thing of the past now that we have multi-FOC and Unbound built into the core rules.

Yeah, quite possibly. I don't know that I own two real troops though. Maybe 2x10 grots.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/d/Dred_Mob.pdf

Pg 17.

So far, most of what I am hearing is making me sad, and very little of what I am hearing is making me not sad. Where are the new "OMG, that's really great!" changes?

 pretre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Anything that gets you bike troops?

I suspect Codex-side FOC shenanigans might be a thing of the past now that we have multi-FOC and Unbound built into the core rules.

Yeah, quite possibly. I don't know that I own two real troops though. Maybe 2x10 grots.

thats all you need though! lol. then again you need 4 of them if you want more than 3 warbiker units. Least theyre dirt cheap to buy for backfield holders.

I was just thrilled to be able to make up a Freebota Kaptain Style Warboss, but that may just be me being easily pleased. Kans cant take 2 shooty guns so that was just poor modelling, also Kans now panic when 25% have died, if they fail a roll they are all shaken due to the grots freakin out.

Off for dinner, back soon

Did basic Boyz get any changes?
Cost, wargear, abilities? I.e. with an eye on Greentides?

killa kanz with a morale check......seriously?

i agree with matphat....where are the awesome changes? the few good ones are minor things.

Now killkan can take two range-weapon or not?
Changes in old grot-gun?
Oh, well, I'm too slow =(

 Melcavuk wrote:
I was just thrilled to be able to make up a Freebota Kaptain Style Warboss, but that may just be me being easily pleased. Kans cant take 2 shooty guns so that was just poor modelling, also Kans now panic when 25% have died, if they fail a roll they are all shaken due to the grots freakin out.

Off for dinner, back soon

Someone hates Fearless Orks so much he even made their vehicles take morale checks. Wow. Just wow.

Sorry to add to the pile, but can Zagstruk still DS and assault with a unit of Stormboyz now that he's an HQ?

Speaking of Stormboyz, can they really assault flyers?

 Melcavuk wrote:
No new character, Wazdakka is gone, No bikes as troops (pain boy can take a bike tho?)

Kff is MODELS within 6 inches get 5++, if embarked than vehicle gets this INSTEAD

holy crap in 2 sentences you just neutered my whole army.

Aren't vehicles leadership 10 though?

 Melcavuk wrote:
Teleporta Blasta mek looks awesome, only available to a mek in Mega Armour but its like 3 large dish types things aiming from his back toward whoever he is looking at.


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Grots are largely the same, grotlike and cheap.


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The Dred Mob list on the forgeworld website, last page gives you a warboss who makes bikers troops. Use that! Then buy a painboy a bike and stick him in

too bad everyone in my area poo poos on forgeworld.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Nope, literally just bought it, it came up with the selection of mobi or epub, selected epub expecting to be told "not available to whatever date" and then it started downloading.


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Can answer any questions people have if needed.

What time did you buy? I tried but cant download yet :(

 Melcavuk wrote:
I was just thrilled to be able to make up a Freebota Kaptain Style Warboss, but that may just be me being easily pleased. Kans cant take 2 shooty guns so that was just poor modelling, also Kans now panic when 25% have died, if they fail a roll they are all shaken due to the grots freakin out.

Off for dinner, back soon

Ded shiny shoota: 6 shots twinlinked shoota, rolls of 1 hit one of your own units. The bike relic has an AP3 deff gun on it, Hedwompas choppa is a +2 str, AP5, rending choppa that beheads on a roll of 6 (insta death). Da finkin kap gives your warlord an additional trait from the strategic list.

Big Mek doesnt change your FoC, nor does warboss (no more nob/dred troops).

Mek is a slotless HQ, 1 per actual HQ bought

Ghaz can take runts/squigs, but looks the same, its lord of war.

Ork psychic powers are all cool. Either high strength, or teleport, large blast etc.

Shock attack gun roll of double 6 is vortex!!!

kans can panic.....utterly stupid.

After what they did to Tyranids, I didn't have my hopes too high.
Happy that I kept a level head. The preliminary reports seems underwhelming. We obviously don't have the full picture yet, but it really seems like the orks are getting the Nidz treatment!

Right, grot blasta is still str 3 nothingness, shoota boyz are now 1 point more than slugga boys. Nothing about zagstruk says he can assault from deepstrike so that looks like a no

Any change to Dakkajets/abilities?

Can you give us an overview of Deffkoptas too?

As for the Kans panicking. After looking 25% roll a D6 (+1 if more than 3 kans left, +1 for deff dred being in 6 inches). On a 3+ everything is fine, On a 1-2 they are all shaken

Any changes to DeffKoptas or Warbuggies, and maby list any changes to Tankbustas and Lootas if ya feeling generous?

Dakka jet guns now only fire one more shot than normal on a Waaagh, not everything twice. Deff Koptas look the same, and picture is the old metal model.

Bikes only get +1 to their cover save if they turbo boost, no more gas and smoke cloud

So boyz are 6pts still but shootas are 7pts?

.......wtf this is just an entirely nerfbat codex this isnt a new dex.

Lootas got cheaper, gun is the same.

Tank bustas got cheaper, Glory hogs gives 2vp for first blood if they blow up a tank to get it.

for the most part this is so far seeming like quite a nerf to orks..