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so stompa is in fact in the codex now? did I read that right?

Is Cybork gone from everything? Including HQs and Ghaz? Does Ghaz still get +2 attacks on the charge (6-7th edition rage)

What are the point costs for a Deff Dreads Skorchas and extra DCCWs?

What's giving the Big Mek you mentioned a 6+ FnP? Cancel that. I just read you saying Cybork gives a 6+ FnP.... What?! Does it stil give a 5++?

 Melcavuk wrote:

Vankraken wrote:
Instead of having d6+12" movement in the movement phase stormboyz are now 12" movement and can run 2d6 but take dangerious terrain? I call that a massive nerf as running causes you to lose 14% of your models and reduced your potential assault range.

GW nerfing already bad units and nerfed zagstruk. Please tell me I'm missing something on this.

You die alot less often from your packs though, in the past whenever you moved or fell back a 1 killed a guy, now its only if you run, you still get your 6+ armour. Yes they are moving mildly less, but they kill themselves significantly less.

A single run kills on average 14% of your models as you test each model. Each pack had a 1 in 6 chance to kill 1 model but now every run will drop multiple models. If you only move you don't take loses but lose d6 movement. Running is suicide and could very easily go sour and cause a moral check.

I really hope I'm wrong on this

 Ratius wrote:
Mel said earlier 5++ was Model only?

whoop yes he did, I am going to be a good boy and filter the whole thread under him for a bit

I'm trying very hard to stay positive here, but for every interesting thing I read, I'm reading three more depressing things. I mean, could we possibly go from mid-tier army to bottom tier AND be the first 7th Ed. codex in one fell swoop?

I'm going to wait for the book (And the associated Ork tactics thread) before getting too worked up, but so far, it's looking like a bit of a wash to me.

Im not that tipsy so :p

don't be so disappointed, there are a few interesting points drops (KillKannon, Lootas, ...) that will allow us to take a few more Boyz here or there for instance

 easysauce wrote:
big thanks to melcavuk for all the info


the 5++ is confirmed to grant it to the units within 6" which is a big buff,

cheaper bikers with a 3+ cover instead of 4+, cheaper rokkit boys...

shockingly boyz stayed the same/have to pay 1pt for shootas...
now that they have a 5++... honestly... I can put a looot of cheap t4 5++ wounds on the table, 6 pts for that on a model with 3 attacks base is pretty decent, not like spamming mobs of boys wasnt already kicking butt...

Well its only a 3+ when you turbo boost so you cant shoot with those dakkaguns which was kinda nice. Does the 5++ work in CC too? I dont think I like the change because it dosent cover as many boyz or you have to bunch them up more and make them more vulnerable to blasts/templates

Stikkbomb entry says "See 40K rulebook"

I'm looking @ it now. It only lists: Assault, Plasma, Defensive, Haywire, Krak, and Melta Bombs. Are they one of those types?

If cybork body gives the ork a 6+ fnp is there a new piece of wargear that lets our HQ's get a invulnerable save?

Is there a Orky Iron Halo equivalent etc?

I would be so mad if I can't give my Warboss a personal ++ save especially since the kff got nerfed and doesn't work in cc.

What does Grots Life do now?

Mega armor?

Did anyone remember if they said what Waaagh! does now? Just curious considering I always felt like the Waaagh! turn would often make or break a game for an ork player

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Ugh, it feels like I just found out that my wife is pregnant.

You couldn't be more deilghted ?

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The bike changes just make me look forward to the inevitable Kult of Speed Dataslate

The warboss edition just showed up on the US GW site along with the new mek and painboy.

I know its been asked, but has it been answered?

Kans 2 shooty weapons?

Stormboyz points drop?

 Billagio wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
big thanks to melcavuk for all the info


the 5++ is confirmed to grant it to the units within 6" which is a big buff,

cheaper bikers with a 3+ cover instead of 4+, cheaper rokkit boys...

shockingly boyz stayed the same/have to pay 1pt for shootas...
now that they have a 5++... honestly... I can put a looot of cheap t4 5++ wounds on the table, 6 pts for that on a model with 3 attacks base is pretty decent, not like spamming mobs of boys wasnt already kicking butt...

Well its only a 3+ when you turbo boost so you cant shoot with those dakkaguns which was kinda nice. Does the 5++ work in CC too? I dont think I like the change because it dosent cover as many boyz or you have to bunch them up more and make them more vulnerable to blasts/templates

well then shoot and claim a 4++?

while its harder to get boys into the 5++, put the mek on a BW or something with a huge area to measure that 6" from, and you can cover a lot.

 pretre wrote:
I think this might work, if you are authorized:

https://www.blacklibrary.com/DigitalDownload.aspx?i=1234567&f=epub

Thanks, managed to figure out that the number is actually the internal ID of the order (also apears in the url of the blocked download page). However, it apears that they have closed the leak, I'm told to contact them for more info when my product is to be released when I try to download

As for questions:
What does the tankbusta wargear do:
- Tankhammers
- Bomb Squigs
- Tankbusta bomms

Can any HQs take killsaws?

Can warbiker nobz take killsaws?

Has Zagstrukk kept his anger management rule? (Shooting boyz to pass moral)

Do bikes and storm boyz have 'ere we go?

Is the kopta's buzzsaw still a PK? Or is it a killsaw now?

Does the KFF have any rules preventing it from being used in close combat?

Does the weirdboy generate an extra warpcharge if 10 orks are present or for every 10 orks that are present?

Does the weirdboy have any wargear options?

What does the Grabbin' Klaw do? Can it be used on trucks?

 adamsouza wrote:

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Ugh, it feels like I just found out that my wife is pregnant.

You couldn't be more deilghted ?

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The bike changes just make me look forward to the inevitable Kult of Speed Dataslate

Fingers crossed on that Sir.

Chosen Praetorian wrote:Did anyone remember if they said what Waaagh! does now? Just curious considering I always felt like the Waaagh! turn would often make or break a game for an ork player

Pretty much what it did before, you get to charge and run. It's on warbosses now though, so no warboss, no Waaagh!

easysauce wrote:well then shoot and claim a 4++?

while its harder to get boys into the 5++, put the mek on a BW or something with a huge area to measure that 6" from, and you can cover a lot.

KFF doesn't spread from transports anymore. The transport gets the save.

 Bull0 wrote:
Those Data cards include the generic Tactical Objective cards. That's intriguing. Not that I'm buying into 7th ed, thanks.

..and reading the GW website it looks like theyre "limited edition"? Am I reading that wrong?

Man, they KILL me! For every two steps forward, they take a step backwards. I so want to jump on the new rule book and coming ork codex but stuff like this keeps reminding me of our history together. First, releasing 7th edition without a "current" starter box, and expecting everyone to drop another $80+ for a rulebook after only two years of 6th edition, now stuffs gonna be "limited"?

Whats next collectible 40k?

ARRRRGGH!

im seriously debating not even getting this codex. I'll admit orks are not suppose to be a competitive army, you play them to have fun more than win. But theres a defined line between competitive and playable. New orks seriously strike me as even less playable in the current meta than before, and they were already suffering. Barring some really insane 5+ luck, i rarely lasted a whole game with my orks except against tyranids (old or new dex).

 Jidmah wrote:

Chosen Praetorian wrote:Did anyone remember if they said what Waaagh! does now? Just curious considering I always felt like the Waaagh! turn would often make or break a game for an ork player

Pretty much what it did before, you get to charge and run. It's on warbosses now though, so no warboss, no Waaagh!.

So we really are getting 5th ed fleet back? If this is true then thats a very good thing. Move, run, assault

Mek with kff on a bike attached to a cheap bikers squad surrounded by battlewagons filled with mega nobz. We can work around some of these nerfs!

I'm thinking if I keep my list the same or similar, the points cost reduction from the nobs and lootas (since i use both) will offset the 1 point increase in my shoota boyz so I'm thinking that all in all will be a wash. Maybe add a weirdboy, swap out a warboss, maybe drop the dakka jet, shouldn't be much different. Maybe even throw in a painboy so one of my big boyz squads gets a bump.

All in all, weirdly enough, I don't think this will affect me all that much.

So did GWs legal dept..... :p

 SJM wrote:
I know its been asked, but has it been answered?

Kans 2 shooty weapons?

Stormboyz points drop?

no
no

 easysauce wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
big thanks to melcavuk for all the info


the 5++ is confirmed to grant it to the units within 6" which is a big buff,

cheaper bikers with a 3+ cover instead of 4+, cheaper rokkit boys...

shockingly boyz stayed the same/have to pay 1pt for shootas...
now that they have a 5++... honestly... I can put a looot of cheap t4 5++ wounds on the table, 6 pts for that on a model with 3 attacks base is pretty decent, not like spamming mobs of boys wasnt already kicking butt...

Well its only a 3+ when you turbo boost so you cant shoot with those dakkaguns which was kinda nice. Does the 5++ work in CC too? I dont think I like the change because it dosent cover as many boyz or you have to bunch them up more and make them more vulnerable to blasts/templates

well then shoot and claim a 4++?

I was told that they dont get the 4+ cover from exhaust cloud anymore

 boredbeard wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Ugh, it feels like I just found out that my wife is pregnant.

You couldn't be more deilghted ?

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The bike changes just make me look forward to the inevitable Kult of Speed Dataslate

Fingers crossed on that Sir.

biker changes make you excited to pay more for something that should have been included in the 50 dollar book your buying out the door, rather than buying it and another 4 to 10 dollar supplement? Would you care to invest in a bridge I just purchased?

 Orock wrote:
biker changes make you excited to pay more for something that should have been included in the 50 dollar book your buying out the door, rather than buying it and another 4 to 10 dollar supplement?

Obviously this DLC thing seems to be working.