Ork rumours - First post updated 20th June

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**Formosa**

Not even remotely worth a Lord of war slot though, unless we're going to start seeing all such characters as lords of war.

Abbadon

Azrael

Calgar

Ghazzy

Swarmlord

Eldrad

Vect

Yarrick

Farsight or o'vessa

What others?

**deffrekka**

CAN FLASHGITZ TAKE EAVY ARMOUR IN THE ORK CODEX?

**Jidmah**

deffrekka wrote:
CAN FLASHGITZ TAKE EAVY ARMOUR IN THE ORK CODEX?

No, they can't, Kaptin Kapslokk

**Wilytank**

Deunstephe wrote:
"Nazdreg" anyone?

That is one ugly ass face...for an Ork.

**deffrekka**

IM SHOUTING LIKE A WARBOSS AS ME BOYZ ARE GETTING MAD. i don't like kaptains.. My warlord is an admiral

**The Shadow**

What's this "D6 Roll" that's replaced Mob Rule? I assume it's the one given in the rumours on the first page but what actually is it? I.e. when do you take it and for what? I'm assuming for all units whenever they take a Morale/Pinning Check, instead of rolling normally? Am I right?

**MajorWesJanson**

Toburk wrote:
Eldar get a +2S AP4 Two-handed Melee weapon for 5 points.
Orks get a +2S AP5 Two-handed Melee weapon for 5 points. That pretty much sums up the codex leaks so far.

Stormboys got a cost reduction, but WOW did they get nerfed. Massive self inflicted casualties, not to mention you can no longer charge after using the extra D6 as you will count as having run.

I have a feeling the same people at GW who thought SM Chaplains were overpowered got stomped by an Ork player. Did anyone think Killa Kans were game-breaking?

You can also see the same vein of changes. Red Paint Job was changed to give +1 for flat out (in shooting phase, instead of shooting) instead of during the movement phase. Exhaust Cloud had it's always-on cover removed and now give +1 cover when turbo-boosting (in the shooting phase, instead of shooting, and prevents charging), and Stormboy's Rokkit Packs were changed to give +D6" when running (in the shooting phase, instead of shooting, and prevents charging) from being +D6" in the movement phase.

Rokket Packs still make them Jump infantry right? So they get the 12" movement normally, and the extra d6 run at expense of wounds is a choice.

**Jidmah**

Nope, you only roll on the d6 chart after failing a moral check. Depending on how many orks are around, if you have character in the unit and if you are in combat, you might get another chance at passing the test in exchange for the boyz killing each other.

This one is new:

Oh, Weirboyz get their own CCW, Weirdboy staff basically a Force weapon Big Choppa.

**streamdragon**

greggles wrote:
I guess we can see why there's no new Weirdboy model; they knew it wouldn't sell for gak.

Remember they can still roll from two other tables, one of which containers hammerhand, and the 4++ invuln.

But still might kill themselves just be generating warp tokens. Weirdboyz were bad last codex, as they suffered from an almost complete lack of options ('eadbanger was their one option); they actively got WORSE in this book.

There are just too many issues that didnt get addressed that make me doubt that orks will move anywhere from where they are. After having waited this long for an update, this is beyond disappointing.

**Toburk**

It seems Nob Bikers took it on the chin.

-Can no longer be troops
-No Cybork Body
-No 4+ cover from Exhaust Cloud
-Painboy has to come from the HQ slot, possible cost increase (need to know), but maybe he can take a PK like the dreadmob Painboss (also need to know)
-Bikes got more expensive to offset the cheaper base cost for nobs. Farseers get eldar jetbikes for super cheap, SM chapter masters get bikes for 20 points, Nobs get bikes for what? 30 points each now?

I actually didn't run nob bikers before, but this seems rather unreasonable.

**WildDuck**

Jidmah wrote:

This one is new:

Oh, Weirboyz get their own CCW, Weirdboy staff basically a Force weapon Big Choppa.

It's mean that he can use Force and give, for example, to unit a nobs an instant death?

**Jidmah**

They get 4+ jink though, which is boosted to 3+ by turbo-boosting. Maths out to the same as 5+ FNP and 4+ cover.

**streamdragon**

Jidmah wrote:
They get 4+ jink though, which is boosted to 3+ by turbo-boosting. Maths out to the same as 5+ FNP and 4+ cover.

Except they lose shooting accuracy when they jink for the 4+, so there's still a net loss.

**Toburk**

WildDuck wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

This one is new:

Oh, Weirboyz get their own CCW, Weirdboy staff basically a Force weapon Big Choppa.

It's mean that he can use Force and give, for example, to unit a nobs an instant death?

Nope. The force spell only has an affect on force weapons. He does have to use his limited warp charges to try and activate it though. It's probably a force staff. (+2S AP4, Force, Concussive) but perhaps without concussive.

**Jidmah**

WildDuck wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

This one is new:

Oh, Weirboyz get their own CCW, Weirdboy staff basically a Force weapon Big Choppa.

It's mean that he can use Force and give, for example, to unit a nobs an instant death?

It's a force weapon. It works the same as every force weapon in the game minus Silver Marines.

**Ub3rb3n**

streamdragon wrote:
greggles wrote:
I guess we can see why there's no new Weirdboy model; they knew it wouldn't sell for gak.

Remember they can still roll from two other tables, one of which containers hammerhand, and the 4++ invuln.

But still might kill themselves just be generating warp tokens. Weirdboyz were bad last codex, as they suffered from an almost complete lack of options ('eadbanger was their one option); they actively got WORSE in this book.

There are just too many issues that didnt get addressed that make me doubt that orks will move anywhere from where they are. After having waited this long for an update, this is beyond disappointing.

Yea it is, it seems as though they just moved some stuff around, changed some rules that now reduce the powerfulness of the army which wasnt too powerful to begin with. This may turn out to just be a flop, who wants more shooting things when all we want is more chop things. Unfortunately 7th edition like 6th is more about shooting and ignoring cover.

**Jidmah**

streamdragon wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
They get 4+ jink though, which is boosted to 3+ by turbo-boosting. Maths out to the same as 5+ FNP and 4+ cover.

Except they lose shooting accuracy when they jink for the 4+, so there's still a net loss.

I don't consider getting something that costed 30 points previously for free a net loss. You also aren't exactly losing much in terms of shooting, a little more than half a hit per biker.

**Dez**

I like shooty Orks and Tanks, so I'm personally liking a lot of these changes. Trukkboyz are going to be fun.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Wow... so erm, totally underwhelmed.

In the power shift and editions that have passed, in what way ever did anything in the previous book require taking a hit? I'm reading across the board nerfs and restrictions.

They took a 7 year old book and toned it down?!?!?!?!?!

I am boggled.

And highly disappointed... Wait, what am I saying, no I'm not, I'm just experiencing my developed sense of pessimism with GW being reaffirmed.

Toburk wrote:
It seems Nob Bikers took it on the chin.

-Can no longer be troops
-No Cybork Body
-No 4+ cover from Exhaust Cloud
-Painboy has to come from the HQ slot, possible cost increase (need to know), but maybe he can take a PK like the dreadmob Painboss (also need to know)
-Bikes got more expensive to offset the cheaper base cost for nobs. Farseers get eldar jetbikes for super cheap, SM chapter masters get bikes for 20 points, Nobs get bikes for what? 30 points each now?

I actually didn't run nob bikers before, but this seems rather unreasonable.

Quick! We have to nerf that army that was winning tournaments 5 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done lads, the world is a safer place thanks to you...

**WildDuck**

Toburk wrote:
WildDuck wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

This one is new:

Oh, Weirboyz get their own CCW, Weirdboy staff basically a Force weapon Big Choppa.

It's mean that he can use Force and give, for example, to unit a nobs an instant death?

Nope. The force spell only has an affect on force weapons. He does have to use his limited warp charges to try and activate it though. It's probably a force staff. (+2S AP4, Force, Concussive) but perhaps without concussive.

Well, thanks.

**streamdragon**

Jidmah wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
They get 4+ jink though, which is boosted to 3+ by turbo-boosting. Maths out to the same as 5+ FNP and 4+ cover.

Except they lose shooting accuracy when they jink for the 4+, so there's still a net loss.

I don't consider getting something that costed 30 points previously for free a net loss. You also aren't exactly losing much in terms of shooting, a little more than half a hit per biker.

It also isn't the same as 5+FNP and 4+ cover when you factor in Ignores Cover weapons though. It's not a massive nerf, but added in to the multitude of other disappointing facets so far revealed, and well..

Edit: not to mention losing the ability to be Troops (and thus get Objective Secured...)

**herpguy**

WildDuck wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

This one is new:

Oh, Weirboyz get their own CCW, Weirdboy staff basically a Force weapon Big Choppa.

It's mean that he can use Force and give, for example, to unit a nobs an instant death?

That's not how force works.

**Formosa**

Force is a buff that affects the unit now

**MeanGreenStompa**

Vineheart01 wrote:
im seriously debating not even getting this codex. I'll admit orks are not suppose to be a competitive army, you play them to have fun more than win.

I used to beat the 7 shades out of MEQ armies in 5th.

And any army book should be designed with the intention of giving the players, the customers, a balanced chance of winning games. I don't show up with my orks to provide some marine player with an amusing win. I'm not an NPC.

**Jidmah**

I don't exactly see the sky falling though. Not yet

There still is a ton of unknown stuff, we don't know the options for the additional mek you can buy yet. The relic allowing you to reroll up to three saves might very well be our own 2+ rerollable cheese and putting three painboyz in maximum boyz mobs while having Thrakka lead from the LoW slot is going to cause trouble for people. Also note that you can now field up to twelve trukks in a single FoC and mobs of 30 storm boyz is nothing eldar players want to have around their funky space boats.

While the current armies might not work anymore, I see plenty potential for new ones, even without tossing major amounts of cash towards GW.

And if it's falling, it's probably those damn marines in their drop pods who need a good clobbering.

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Formosa wrote:
Force is a buff that affects the unit now

Yeah, but it doesn't do anything unless the unit has weapons with the force special rule, which nobz don't.

**koolaid64**

Formosa wrote:
Force is a buff that affects the unit now

All models in a unit with force weapons

**Dez**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Vineheart01 wrote:
im seriously debating not even getting this codex. I'll admit orks are not suppose to be a competitive army, you play them to have fun more than win.

I don't show up with my orks to provide some marine player with an amusing win. I'm not an NPC.

Best line yet, Exalted!

**Formosa**

Oh I must have mis read that then, I thought it gave the whole unit the instant death rule

**Melcavuk**

Painboy is 50 points, (75 with bike) not sure if thats a points increase, put my old dex somewhere and cant find it atm. Lemme know if I missed any questions.

**Commander_Farsight**

I cant wait for the new dex because it give more squishy orks for Farsight to chop down with the Dawn Blade.