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Rubs wrote:
Awesome pic of meganobs!

Are power klaws still the same stats? str x2 ap2?

Whats the differences between the PK and saws?

Warboss still just as cheap? How much are PKs? What does a Boss pole do?

Thanks Mel!

Klaws no change
Kill Saws are armour bane, no other change,
Warboss is same flat cost, klaw and big choppa same cost. Boss pole allows a reroll on the mob table when you fail morale.

-What does the cybork body do? you mentioned a 6+ FNP before.
-Is the Waarrgghh Banner still +1Ws? What can take it? (who can take Cybork by the way, same list right?)
-Are tankhammers still AP-?


-Does the bosspole still cause a wound when used?

 Toburk wrote:
-What does the cybork body do? you mentioned a 6+ FNP before.
-Is the Waarrgghh Banner still +1Ws? What can take it? (who can take Cybork by the way, same list right?)
-Are tankhammers still AP-?

Thats it, 6+ FNP. Its cheap though.
Waagh is +1 WS. Both are pretty much characters only though the Nobz and MaNZ can take waaagh banners as part of their unit entry
AP3, still not enough to actually blow up a tank

Thanks again Melcavuk!!!

Still more questions:

What are the options for the Big Mek? And the options for the Mek? Does the HQ Mek have the same options as the Mek upgrade of units like Burnaboys/Lootas?

What does the Tellyporta Blasta do?

What does the Waaagh! Banner do? Does it still grant +1WS? Is it cheaper or more expensive?

Can Snikrot join other units or just Kommandos?

Stats for the Weirdboy? Is he cheaper or not?

Does Grotsnik still grant the unit he's in FNP?

Does the BW has the option to purchase Mek Gunz?

Sorry if any of these questions had already been answered.

Did the Warbosses go up to 4 wounds? I have been hoping so but I am thinking not.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

Inb4 'sky is falling' etc, for serious guys, do these changes look fun to you? There could be hidden power combos, sure, but as someone else put it, this book is suppost to be fun, and it looks like its anything but.

We're probably in the minority, Dakkamite. Nothing strikes me as particularly interesting about any of the new rules, and I've read pretty much this entire thread. It all just seems so milk-toasty and uninspired.The changes are over-complicated (really, more random tables?) or just simply baffling.

I like it. The only thing that is unfortunate is the lack of moving slots for themed armies. Other than that, no big deals. Points seem much more reasonable, that alone is a god send!

If cybork is 6+ FNP does Ghaz (or any HQ) have an invulnerable save of any kind?

So tankhammers are S10 AP3 and hit at initiative? No other USRs?


Edit:
-so does the KFF give an invuln in close combat as well, or just from shooting?

-What are the cost of the relics?

Thanks for providing all the info.

Any points change on the burna bombas (up or down is fine) now that their bombs are AP2?

BooBoo wrote:
Thanks again Melcavuk!!!

Still more questions:

What are the options for the Big Mek? And the options for the Mek? Does the HQ Mek has the same options as the Mek upgrade of units like Burnaboys/Lootas?

What does the Tellyporta Blasta do?

What does the Waaagh! Banner do? Does it still grant +1WS? Is it cheaper or more expensive?

Can Snikrot join other units or just Kommandos?

Stats for the Weirdboy? Is he cheaper or not?

Does Grotsnik still grant the unit he's in FNP?

Does the BW has the option to purchase Mek Gunz?

Big mek gets access to mek gear (kmb, kms, kombis, rokkit, etc), or can take mega armour. Still has relic, shooting weapon, accessories etc access (full list), but can take a kill saw. Non mega big mek can take SAG or KFF (also has bike access in the know wots menu). Mega Mek can take KFF or Teleporta Blasta. its a small blast str 8 ap2, on a 6 its insta death or insta pen.
HQ Mek is literally the same as a mek in a unit, and must be put into an artillery or infantry unit before start of game

Waagh banner hasnt changed
Just Kommandos.
Cheaper, and his ml2 is also cheaper.
Yes, because he has doks tools
No mek gunz anywhere except on the mek gunz unit (except the morkanaught KMK)

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

Inb4 'sky is falling' etc, for serious guys, do these changes look fun to you? There could be hidden power combos, sure, but as someone else put it, this book is suppost to be fun, and it looks like its anything but.

We're probably in the minority, Dakkamite. Nothing strikes me as particularly interesting about any of the new rules, and I've read pretty much this entire thread. It all just seems so milk-toasty and uninspired.The changes are over-complicated (really, more random tables?) or just simply baffling.

Maybe hold off judgement until we see all the rules together, especially the wargear and what units can take what options. But yeah, actually, it does sound like fun to me. 'Ere we go and Waaagh! are fantastic. Add to the new flash gitz rules, bikes coming WAY down in points, the ability to add upgrade characters to any unit you please, give bosspoles to more units, and smaller units benefiting from the mob rule now. It's looking like a good time to be a greenskin. I'm as excited as I've ever been, and I've been playing Orks since 2nd ed.

 Jidmah wrote:

sexybitchrosie wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

sexybitchrosie wrote:
why is ghaz a lord of war does he have 9 wounds or something

Actually he lost 1 attack on the charge.

Otherwise unchanged, according to a certain ork drunk on cider

that doesnt mean he is a lord of war thou there must done somethign to make he in the leagues of a titan is he a giganture creature

He is listed as Lord of War choice. Taking him does not use a HQ slot, your opponent gets +1 to seize and taking wounds off him grants victory points. That's all there is to it.

That is in escalation but I don't recall seeing it in 7th edition. Did I miss that in the 7th edition rulebook or are you just assuming that because it was true in 6th under escalation?

Toburk wrote:If cybork is 6+ FNP does Ghaz (or any HQ) have an invulnerable save of any kind?

So tankhammers are S10 AP3 and hit at initiative? No other USRs?


Edit:
-so does the KFF give an invuln in close combat as well, or just from shooting?

-What are the cost of the relics?

Thanks for providing all the info.

OK, Tank Hammer str 8 AP3, unwieldy.
Only invuls I can see are KFF except for Badruk who has built in 5++ (or ghaz on a waaagh)
KFF is explicitly just shooting
5 for cheapest, 35 for most expensive (bike)

buddha wrote:Any points change on the burna bombas (up or down is fine) now that their bombs are AP2?

I dont know their original cost sorry, not in my old ork dex. burna bombs are AP4

Warboss stats still the same?

Yup, same stats exactly on the Warboss

It seems that boyz and grots are only troop choices available, this true?

Yup, only 2 troops entries, no options to move another unit into a troop choice.


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Oddly a KFF mek inside an open topped transport doesnt benefit from his KFF against the template attacks that his passengers. Since the rule states the vehicle gains the 5++ INSTEAD when embarked. Unpleasant.

Melcavuk?

What is the strength on a kill Cannon?

Oh man, meganobz can have Waaagh! banners? That sounds pretty great... Does that mean I'm right in that a charging killsaw meganob has 5 attacks (3+1[assault bonus]+1[dual specialist weapons]) that hit on a 3+ (Waaagh! banner +1WS) and wound on a 2+, probably causing instant death...?

I'm tempted to try my hand at making a meganob army again now.

One question Melcavuk:

Do gorkanauts/morkanauts have the assault vehicle rule in the codex? Is there an option to give them the rule somehow?

Thanks in advance!

Does the Nob character upgrade in units like Stormboys, Tankbustas can take 'Eavy Armor?

Does the Kaptin of the Flashgitz get access to "Ranged Weapons, Melee Weapons, Runts & Squigs, Orky Know-wots and/or Gifts of Gork and Mork list"?

Cost points for the KFF option for the Mek/Big Mek?

What about other vehicle upgrades like Grabbing Klaw, Wrecking Ball? Any changes about them?

I'll say this: GW talked me out of buying any new models. I was anticipating a point reduction for boyz & nobz, leaving more points available for new shiny stuff. So far the minor points reductions in units I take (nobz, lootas) have been eaten up by increasing shoota costs.

I know a lot of people THINK they were underpriced at 6pts but a mob of 30 caused as many hits as a squad of 10 meq on average and went down easier; boys really did need to be a point cheaper.

So, yeah, no new Naut, no flash gits, nothing. Good move for your older players GW

Woah, Ghaz is a LoW?

Seriously???

 warboss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

sexybitchrosie wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

sexybitchrosie wrote:
why is ghaz a lord of war does he have 9 wounds or something

Actually he lost 1 attack on the charge.

Otherwise unchanged, according to a certain ork drunk on cider

that doesnt mean he is a lord of war thou there must done somethign to make he in the leagues of a titan is he a giganture creature

He is listed as Lord of War choice. Taking him does not use a HQ slot, your opponent gets +1 to seize and taking wounds off him grants victory points. That's all there is to it.

That is in escalation but I don't recall seeing it in 7th edition. Did I miss that in the 7th edition rulebook or are you just assuming that because it was true in 6th under escalation?

I believe that to be correct as well. LoW only give up extra vp and seize +1 in escalation book missions.

Nobz in squads only seem to get eavy armour in the Boyz squad, and thats because the entire mob gets to take it.

Badrukk is only as listed, no taking anything extra except ammo runts

KFF price hasnt changed.

Grabbin klaw can stop non-skimmers/flyers from moving, wreckin ball is a 3 inch range str 9 ap 4 D3 weapon.

Gorka/Morkanaughts arent assault vehicles and have no options to become one.

So no such thing as a hard boy anymore?

Hrrmm, Kaptain Mek (needs a name)

Big Mek
Mega Armour
Kustom Mega Blasta and Da Ded Shiny Shoota
Da Finkin Kap
Kustom Force Field
Git Finda

Comes at about 145 Points, but is a bubble of invul, can tank on a 2+ Save, is packing 2 warlord traits and can either be a 6 shot twinlinked shoota or a kustom mega blasta, either of which at bs 3 if he doesnt move.


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 PhillyT wrote:
So no such thing as a hard boy anymore?

Boyz squad in Eavy Armour, same cost as before (if you dont take shootas), and not limited to 1 per army.

Oh, that's a shame about the 'nauts not being assault. Oh well!

One more question:

Can meganobz still take trukks and battlewagons as dedicated transports?

Just wanted to thank you for your quick responses! You are the greatest!

Wait, if a Painboy's bike is 25 points, and the relic bike is 35 points, does that mean a warboss's bike costs 25 points too? (down from 40)

...and a nob's bike is 27? 2 points more than a warboss's?

Yup, Trukk or Battlewagon for the Mega Nobz. They're bulky.


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 Toburk wrote:
Wait, if a Painboy's bike is 25 points, and the relic bike is 35 points, does that mean a warboss's bike costs 25 points too? (down from 40)

...and a nob's bike is 27? 2 points more than a warboss's?

Dont try and put logic into this. But yes the nobz pay more for their bikes than any character does.
And for +10 on a characters bike you can get the relic one for AP3 goodness (one per army)

 Melcavuk wrote:

 Toburk wrote:
-What does the cybork body do? you mentioned a 6+ FNP before.
-Is the Waarrgghh Banner still +1Ws? What can take it? (who can take Cybork by the way, same list right?)
-Are tankhammers still AP-?

Thats it, 6+ FNP. Its cheap though.
Waagh is +1 WS. Both are pretty much characters only though the Nobz and MaNZ can take waaagh banners as part of their unit entry
AP3, still not enough to actually blow up a tank

That's actually a good thing for orks. You want to WRECK a vehicle, not blow it up.

Wow so Ghaz lost his invul (except for once per game), and his special Waaagh that makes all units fearless and used to give a guaranteed 12" charge to everybody and he's still the SAME PRICE???? Wow this is such a disaster.

I'm optimistic about Weirdboys potentially teleporting mobs of boyz around the table, that could be fun. And if you dont roll the teleport power? Oh no you rolled an awesome template, beam, large blast power (or theres a +1 attack power, or a focus witchfire but lets ignore those)