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Damn tankbustas are sweet. So tempted to convert myself several mobs if only to try and get a vehicle first blood...
Either way, I see myself adding a few mobs of 'bustas to my orks...

<<Kommandos have stikkbombs, not tank bustas sorry. >>




Thanks for your answer.

Well that's a shame, so no bombs other than stikkbombs, no shootas
and/or no burnas options?

Kommados can take burnas as one of their special weapons, however they can only take 2 in a mob.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Kommados can take burnas as one of their special weapons, however they can only take 2 in a mob.

Stupid me they always could.

Well so they are pretty the same lads then.
If they definitively do not want them to have bombs or any sort
(well these mines and dynamites are not frag grenades!) they should redo the models,
even if I like the actual ones.

I feel sad each time I see them...

Again thank you for your time and answer.

I kinda feel like converting my old Kommando Nob (the current metal one) into a tankbusta nob, just cause I like the model so much. Dunno how I'd do it, though.

Do you have the normal codex or the warboss edition??

Digital edition thanks to a black library error.

Do Burnas still count as power weapons if you don't fire them?

AP3 power weapons yes

 Melcavuk wrote:
AP3 power weapons yes

Is there a limit on the number of 'ard boyz you can have?

Bikes still give 4+ armor saves right?

No limit. And yes

Thank god.

Edit: 'ard boyz upgrade cost the same?

4 points per model.

so no news about the ghazzy supplement?

Can Painboyz take Power Klaws?

 MagicMan wrote:
Suprised there isn't a new Ork Battleforce out yet...
Is it likely there will be one?

There's a giant shooty combokit.

I am actually really pumped. They didn't ruin the army for me and most of the supposed "ruinings" people are complaining about are responses to the shift in the FOC.

No bikers or deff dredds at Troop? Are you really surprised? It wasn't necessary this edition for one single reason: Unbound.

As much as we (or at least a fairly large percentage of we) dislike the mechanic, it is the way to go if you are putting a biker list or deff dredd list on the table. People have said a few times they need to wait for the Kult data slate or a dredd slate to get to field their army. WHat you need is the ability to properly communicate and discuss the issue with your friends. Pining away for something that is unlikely to ever see the light of day isn't the best choice.

Have a frank discussion with your playmates. Tell them you want to use bikers or dreads like last edition. Tell them it isn't a power play, just a desire to run the army you have or have always wanted.

Biker and Dredd lists are exactly what unbound was designed to allow. THinking they would make it redundant with specific allocations for such armies is unreasonable. Though this isGW, so there is a fairly high chance that unreasonable choices will occur!

Does snikrot replace the kommando mob?

So all our old armies are not worthless? Don't know about you guys but Im just looking at my army and it makes no sense any more.

My Nobz who were considered troops are now fighting for space with my kommandos.
My Lootaz are now fighting for a spot with other heavies.
My Big Mek with KFF cant cover the blob of Shootas and Kans I have.
My Deff Dread ( troop)has no spot in the army because it is already full.

Now I am confused:

Is Big mek and Mek same thing now? Is my Big Mek still considered HQ or is he a normal Mek now? How many Meks /Big Meks can I have?

Who will take Lootaz now since they are heavies? they are in competition with Flash Gitz + Kans + Battlewagons.

The Nobz get Bikes but their upgrade is more expensive than it is to give a bike to a character?

HQ now is only Warboss and Painboy? or am i wrong? Wyrdboyz and Meks are are not HQ?

Do i have to follow 3 HQ and 3 Troops or can i stick to 2Hq and 2 Troops?

Am I right the new codex compels us to be a shooty army now?

since all can take heavy armor (ard boyz) that means it will be compulsory to get this upgrade in the future? since Orks have become such a squishy army.

What good is cybork bodies upgrade now? and how do i get access to it?

can some one please answer these questions for me? I am going crazy here :(

Does Kustom Force Field still measure from OUTSIDE the hull in which the Mek resides? E.g. can we still get 5++ saves for battlewagons in a 6" radius from a Big Mek's KFF inside a vehicle?

 TedNugent wrote:
Does Kustom Force Field still measure from OUTSIDE the hull in which the Mek resides? E.g. can we still get 5++ saves for battlewagons in a 6" radius from a Big Mek's KFF inside a vehicle?

No. KFF in a vehicle only protects the vehicle.

 PhillyT wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Does Kustom Force Field still measure from OUTSIDE the hull in which the Mek resides? E.g. can we still get 5++ saves for battlewagons in a 6" radius from a Big Mek's KFF inside a vehicle?

No. KFF in a vehicle only protects the vehicle.

And you're defending this. Lol.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
So all our old armies are not worthless? Don't know about you guys but Im just looking at my army and it makes no sense any more.

My Nobz who were considered troops are now fighting for space with my kommandos.
My Lootaz are now fighting for a spot with other heavies.
My Big Mek with KFF cant cover the blob of Shootas and Kans I have.
My Deff Dread ( troop)has no spot in the army because it is already full.

Now I am confused:

None of the above are necessarily an issue unless you are using a single FOC. Well the big mek is.

The KFF can still cover cans and troops, just in a 6" bubble around the mek. Put him in the middle of the unit, let the mans bases touch his bubble and just have a few guys in front of him to grind through. Other than barrage weapons, casualties are removed from the closest models to the shooter. Saves are taken by those models. Make sure they are covered and the enemy needs to kill all of the models with KFF saves first. If you have 10 guys out of 30 with KFF saves and they are closest to the shooters, it doesn't matter that the rest are not covered.

Is Big mek and Mek same thing now? Is my Big Mek still considered HQ or is he a normal Mek now? How many Meks /Big Meks can I have?

No. Big Mek takes an HQ slot and Meks are the same as they were in loot and burn units. You can take one of them per HQ.

Who will take Lootaz now since they are heavies? they are in competition with Flash Gitz + Kans + Battlewagons.

Not really. They do totally different jobs. A unit of lootas is still a great choice.

The Nobz get Bikes but their upgrade is more expensive than it is to give a bike to a character?

Supposedly nobs on bikes are the same price as 4th edition.

HQ now is only Warboss and Painboy? or am i wrong? Wyrdboyz and Meks are are not HQ?

Read the rumors more closely, this has been stated a dozen times over the last 20 pages.

Do i have to follow 3 HQ and 3 Troops or can i stick to 2Hq and 2 Troops?

No, you can use the regular.

Am I right the new codex compels us to be a shooty army now?

Waagh and Here we go pretty makes us a good assault army. Better than last edition when you add boarding planks to the trukks and wagons.

since all can take heavy armor (ard boyz) that means it will be compulsory to get this upgrade in the future? since Orks have become such a squishy army.

For almost double the price? No, I think not. With the increase in vehicles for 7th, you are less likely to see the sort of horde destroying massed infantry that was in 6th and parts of 5th. You will be fine with the supposedly squishy orks. Stay strong.

What good is cybork bodies upgrade now? and how do i get access to it?

can some one please answer these questions for me? I am going crazy here :(

Cybork did take a hit right in the join. Characters can get it but it is just a FNP 6+ now apparently.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
Is Big mek and Mek same thing now? Is my Big Mek still considered HQ or is he a normal Mek now? How many Meks /Big Meks can I have?

Big Mek and Mek are different units. Big Mek is a normal HQ choice. Mek is a special HQ choice which doesn't take up a slot but is limited to one per other HQ choice. You could take two big meks and two meks in a combined arms detachment, or a warboss, a big mek and two meks, etc.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
Who will take Lootaz now since they are heavies? they are in competition with Flash Gitz + Kans + Battlewagons.

People who want long-range, static firepower which is effective against a wide range of targets.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
The Nobz get Bikes but their upgrade is more expensive than it is to give a bike to a character?

Yes.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
HQ now is only Warboss and Painboy? or am i wrong? Wyrdboyz and Meks are are not HQ?

Warboss, Painboy, Weirdboy and Big Mek are all standard HQ choices.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
Do i have to follow 3 HQ and 3 Troops or can i stick to 2Hq and 2 Troops?

You can choose whichever you like.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
Am I right the new codex compels us to be a shooty army now?

No, it gives several options for getting into combat more quickly.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
since all can take heavy armor (ard boyz) that means it will be compulsory to get this upgrade in the future? since Orks have become such a squishy army.

Painboys might well be better than eavy armour for larger units. Possibly better than the old KFF too, for footsloggers.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
What good is cybork bodies upgrade now? and how do i get access to it?

Very little and through the 'orky know wats' wargear section.

I am not defending anything. KFF is like the Dark Angel power field now.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
So all our old armies are not worthless? Don't know about you guys but Im just looking at my army and it makes no sense any more.

My Nobz who were considered troops are now fighting for space with my kommandos.

Did you really take more than a single squad of Kommandos anyway? They're both cheaper too.

My Big Mek with KFF cant cover the blob of Shootas and Kans I have.

You only need to cover the front rank and the Kans close in front. This is not particularly difficult and now Big Meks can take a Bike + KFF, and we can get the KFF from Morkanauts.

My Deff Dread ( troop)has no spot in the army because it is already full.

Take a combined arms detachment for an extra HS slot.

Now I am confused:

Is Big mek and Mek same thing now? Is my Big Mek still considered HQ or is he a normal Mek now? How many Meks /Big Meks can I have?

1) No.
2) Big Mek HQ, normal Mek slotless.
3) 0-3 Big Meks (as each is 1 HQ slot) and presumably 0-3 Meks.

Who will take Lootaz now since they are heavies? they are in competition with Flash Gitz + Kans + Battlewagons.

We'll still be seeing plenty of Lootas, they're cheaper and still one of the best S7 output units in the game.

The Nobz get Bikes but their upgrade is more expensive than it is to give a bike to a character?

Yeah, sucks, but anyone that succumbed to that tiresome Deathstar craze was no 'kunnin Ork anyway.

HQ now is only Warboss and Painboy? or am i wrong? Wyrdboyz and Meks are are not HQ?

They all are, but Meks (not Big Meks) work like Techmarines and are slotless.

Do i have to follow 3 HQ and 3 Troops or can i stick to 2Hq and 2 Troops?

No, from what I've seen Besides I believe the former gives you bonuses but you only need to take an extra troops choice.

Am I right the new codex compels us to be a shooty army now?

All armies are best made shooty, and not all of our melee units are bad.

since all can take heavy armor (ard boyz) that means it will be compulsory to get this upgrade in the future? since Orks have become such a squishy army.

Almost certainly not. More Boys is better than toys most of the time.

What good is cybork bodies upgrade now? and how do i get access to it?

5 pt 6+ FNP.

Back with Orks, I think all the questions got answered in my absense. The Big Mek to Mek relationship is the same as Master of the Forge to Techmarine

 PhillyT wrote:
I am actually really pumped. They didn't ruin the army for me and most of the supposed "ruinings" people are complaining about are responses to the shift in the FOC.

No bikers or deff dredds at Troop? Are you really surprised? It wasn't necessary this edition for one single reason: Unbound.

As much as we (or at least a fairly large percentage of we) dislike the mechanic, it is the way to go if you are putting a biker list or deff dredd list on the table. People have said a few times they need to wait for the Kult data slate or a dredd slate to get to field their army. WHat you need is the ability to properly communicate and discuss the issue with your friends. Pining away for something that is unlikely to ever see the light of day isn't the best choice.

Have a frank discussion with your playmates. Tell them you want to use bikers or dreads like last edition. Tell them it isn't a power play, just a desire to run the army you have or have always wanted.

Biker and Dredd lists are exactly what unbound was designed to allow. THinking they would make it redundant with specific allocations for such armies is unreasonable. Though this isGW, so there is a fairly high chance that unreasonable choices will occur!

As soon as you start with unbound you will have to write a house rule as thick as a phonebook deciding what is ok and what is OP.
Good luck trying to convince a TO that your unbound list is actually not at all Power gaming.

As soon as you start with unbound you will have to write a house rule as thick as a phonebook deciding what is ok and what is OP.
Good luck trying to convince a TO that your unbound list is actually not at all Power gaming.

If their list is unreasonable, don't play it.

Tell them ahead of time what you want to do and see what they think.

Astra Millitarum violate the regular force organization chart like no other army. The FOC shouldn't be a restriction unless you force it.

Use the biker boss from IA8 to get bikes as troops. Use the dredd mob list for dredd heavy lists (and allies to get some of the things not listed.

If your group doesn't allow FW, tell them to go play Magic because they are leeching the fun out of a glorified board game and need better hobbies.

does snikrot replace the kommandos nob, or do you get both characters in the unit?