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Okay, that's not a reasonable cost for plastic MANz that aren't even really updated sculpts.

Does anyone know how many points does the Relic Bike cost ?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Okay, that's not a reasonable cost for plastic MANz that aren't even really updated sculpts.

Despite being cheaper and being new plastic kits that are new sculpts?

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I'm actually very happy with the new plastic MANz.

They kept true to the old sculpts and updated them. I never thought they were bad, but these are much more affordable and plastic.. with possible extra bits

And a very cute Grot oiler, who helps make the £8 or £9 saving over Kromlech if you buy form Dark Sphere all the more irresistible.

Deff Dread deal is like a carbon copy of the Carnfex deal.

I am guessing the Trukk boys set is simply a reboxing... anyone know?

 pretre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Okay, that's not a reasonable cost for plastic MANz that aren't even really updated sculpts.

Despite being cheaper and being new plastic kits that are new sculpts?

Cheaper? Yes.
Cheap enough? Not for me. $25+CAD per model simply beyond what I'm willing to pay. Frankly, even if there were 5 in the box at that price I don't think I'd buy it.

GW's business plan (if you can call it that) for a while now has been to have high margins on low volume, and the prices have just hit the point were I've been priced out, regardless of disposable income.

I like the new Manz, which I fortunate because I want atleast 2 Mega Meks in my force!

 Melcavuk wrote:
I like the new Manz, which I fortunate because I want atleast 2 Mega Meks in my force!

Easy, buy 3 boxes and you get two mega meks, 2 squads of 3 meganobz and a warboss

Man, I keep harping on their dumb rules/pricing weirdness, but the sculptors keep knocking stuff out of the park as far as I'm concerned.

I love that Mega-armored Mek (Megamek! sounds like an 80's Transformer ripoff, in a good way). The big clampy klaw makes me happy inside. And a free grot!

I would be so happy if (when) they recut the ork sprues, they just shoved a grot into every sprue (or a squig).

Red Waaagh? Just as I guessed.

 Kosake wrote:

It could even become great by adding actual klan tactics, but it's GW, so all we're gonna see will be some boring supplement on that red waaagh-guyboss. Probably the perfect combination of Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter supplements - bland generic specialties (Nobz become troops or some sort of skarboyz with +1 S or something) mixed with a background nobody gives a damn about instead of focussing on the existing clans or characters.

Da Butcha wrote:
I would be so happy if (when) they recut the ork sprues, they just shoved a grot into every sprue (or a squig).

That would be awesome.

Rubs wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
I like the new Manz, which I fortunate because I want atleast 2 Mega Meks in my force!

Easy, buy 3 boxes and you get two mega meks, 2 squads of 3 meganobz and a warboss

Need a bigger model for the MegaBoss, for now it'll just be 4 highly pimped out Meganobz and 2 MegaMeks. I'll likely be adding a third unit of trukk boyz in order to get a BikerMek too.

 Toburk wrote:

GW's business plan (if you can call it that) for a while now has been to have high margins on low volume, and the prices have just hit the point were I've been priced out, regardless of disposable income.

That was me with the Warboss Edition. I AM the target audience for that, but I could buy the rulebook, the supplement, and the cards (which may or may not come with it, depending on whether you believe White Dwarf or the website) from my FLGS, supporting them, and pay about $50 less (even if I didn't get a discount and a rebate from them). I can't justify $50 for art prints of covers I already own, and objective coins, no matter how much I want them (and I do want those orky counters).

It's not just the high price, it's the value for cost, and, for me, GW's decision to hose the gaming stores on this limited stuff.

Any of you math geniuses want to compare the morale check for a 5-strong squad of Deffkoptas in the last edition to a 5-strong squad of Deffkoptas in the new edition?

I always wanted to max out a squad instead of taking singles, but their morale was too bad. I would like to see if the new Mob Rule helps them.

So at last we will see some deals on multi-models collection!
I may spend some $ on Orks models finally

And a Red Waaagh is coming???
Yes!!!

That's going to be a 6-week release for Orks then?

 nflagey wrote:
So at last we will see some deals on multi-models collection!
I may spend some $ on Orks models finally

And a Red Waaagh is coming???
Yes!!!

That's going to be a 6-week release for Orks then?

I'm so excited by seing "RED WAGGGH!"!

I wonder if we get those deffkoptas or possibly buggies? Who knows!

Dare I say, an evil sunz supplement, this fast?

 pretre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Okay, that's not a reasonable cost for plastic MANz that aren't even really updated sculpts.

Despite being cheaper and being new plastic kits that are new sculpts?

Yeah. I never bought any of the metal or finecast ones, either.

They're not really new sculpts, just a bit tweaked. I doubt you could tell them apart at 3 feet. Compare that to the overhaul Kanz and Dreadz got last time.

By the way, on Grot Orderly's blog, we can see some more info about the content of the Waagh Ghazghkull supplement, with apparently some formations, including a Vulcha Skwad and a Blitz Brigade

So, the supplement may not be only Ghazghkull but other famous boss too (Vulcha = Zagstruk)

Quick question for the experts: given the names of the models' designers seen on those leaks, are we looking at new models or just re-packaged stuff?

EDIT: nevermind, images on Grot Orderly's blog show they are the same models (Trukk & Batllewagon)

So if mega armor still.grants slow and purposefull, if they take a git finder do they always have the BS3 since they count as stationary ?

I wish we could over watch with slow and purposefull, it kills putting my big mek in mega armor with a bunch of shoota boy's =(

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Okay, that's not a reasonable cost for plastic MANz that aren't even really updated sculpts.

Despite being cheaper and being new plastic kits that are new sculpts?

Yeah. I never bought any of the metal or finecast ones, either.

They're not really new sculpts, just a bit tweaked. I doubt you could tell them apart at 3 feet. Compare that to the overhaul Kanz and Dreadz got last time.

Agree with that, I see very little differences between the old and new MegaNobz ... mostly in the heads it seems.
The armor and weapons look very similar.

The new meganobz are too tiny.

 nflagey wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Yeah. I never bought any of the metal or finecast ones, either.

They're not really new sculpts, just a bit tweaked. I doubt you could tell them apart at 3 feet. Compare that to the overhaul Kanz and Dreadz got last time.

Agree with that, I see very little differences between the old and new MegaNobz ... mostly in the heads it seems.
The armor and weapons look very similar.

Yeah, except for that whole thing where they have new weapons in the box, can make MegaMeks and come with a grot. Totally the same as the old ones though.

 pretre wrote:

 nflagey wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Yeah. I never bought any of the metal or finecast ones, either.

They're not really new sculpts, just a bit tweaked. I doubt you could tell them apart at 3 feet. Compare that to the overhaul Kanz and Dreadz got last time.

Agree with that, I see very little differences between the old and new MegaNobz ... mostly in the heads it seems.
The armor and weapons look very similar.

Yeah, except for that whole thing where they have new weapons in the box, can make MegaMeks and come with a grot. Totally the same as the old ones though.

I did not comment on the *new* models (MegaMeks, grot), just the models that existed before: the MANZ. Those have not really been updated. Did they need to? Not sure. Just saying these don't look that different from the old MANZ.
The new models, especially the MegaMek, look really nice: super bulky, especially with that mask on the face!

 nflagey wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 nflagey wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Yeah. I never bought any of the metal or finecast ones, either.

They're not really new sculpts, just a bit tweaked. I doubt you could tell them apart at 3 feet. Compare that to the overhaul Kanz and Dreadz got last time.

Agree with that, I see very little differences between the old and new MegaNobz ... mostly in the heads it seems.
The armor and weapons look very similar.

Yeah, except for that whole thing where they have new weapons in the box, can make MegaMeks and come with a grot. Totally the same as the old ones though.

I did not comment on the *new* models (MegaMeks, grot), just the models that existed before: the MANZ. Those have not really been updated. Did they need to? Not sure. Just saying these don't look that different from the old MANZ.
The new models, especially the MegaMek, look really nice: super bulky, especially with that mask on the face!

The point is that that's the same kit. MANZ kit is the MegaNob and MegaMek kit.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, except for that whole thing where they have new weapons in the box, can make MegaMeks and come with a grot. Totally the same as the old ones though.

I don't know if you're being willfully obtuse or what. They're old sculpts in exactly the same way the Blood Angel Assault Squad is an old sculpt. Import the CAD file for the generic assault marine, add blood drops and goblets everywhere, add a few weapons to the sprue, done. I don't get how you can't see the difference between this and properly updated sculpts like Kanz, Broadsides, any modern DE kit...

I'll have to buy one box of meganobs, if only to see how easy they are to bulk up (to make warbosses etc) and to mix and match with bits to make a larger squad (like I'm doing with Flashgits).

The one massive advantage they'll have over the old resin/metal versions is convertability - plastic is just so much easier to chop or super-detail.

I'm glad they are similar, I already have...a lot of Meganobz. I'm still good for a kit though!

I'm glad they kept the appearance similar for the new Meganobs. I always loved how the old 3ed ones looked so I'm happy.

Now those Deffdredds and Killakans redesign ughh

Rubs wrote:

 nflagey wrote:
So at last we will see some deals on multi-models collection!
I may spend some $ on Orks models finally

And a Red Waaagh is coming???
Yes!!!

That's going to be a 6-week release for Orks then?

I'm so excited by seing "RED WAGGGH!"!

I wonder if we get those deffkoptas or possibly buggies? Who knows!

Dare I say, an evil sunz supplement, this fast?

There are no mentions of evil sunz in the Red Waaagh! entry in Dark Millennium

Dark Millennium p. 47 wrote:Warboss Grukk of the Red Waaagh! plows into the densely populated Sanctus Reach.

The Imperium prepares to make a stand upon Alaric Prime, a feudal world of linked archipelagos and crumbling gaols. When a flotilla of Ork rust-ships makes planetfall, the knightly houses of Alaric lead their Cadian allies in a worldwide counter-attack. Warlord Grukk’s bullish tactics take a heavy toll on the human defenders and destroy the Obsidian Glaives Chapter before the legendary Freeblade known as Gerantius joins the conflict, tipping the war into a new desperate phase.

It seems to be all about that new Warboss Grukk, which also has the special feature on page 92 of the Dark Millennium book (the 7th Edition background-book of the 3 7th Edition books).

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I'm glad they kept the appearance similar for the new Meganobs. I always loved how the old 3ed ones looked so I'm happy.

Now those Deffdredds and Killakans redesign ughh

I really like the look of the new dreads and kans, especially when you put the new ones with the old ones for some visual variety. The new meganobs look great, and I love the mega armoured big mek... but wow that's a pricey kit.