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It'll surely be one of each relic per army, and not 1 relic per army, else thats grim.

Overall im getting more and more excited. the old lists are out, but the new lists should see some great variety. Currently for my FA slot I am thinking buggies and bikes, but I could so easily swap them out to bring some stormboys or deffcoptas. I think while we will see some of our power units balanced (Nob bikers and BW rush), what we gain is a better ability to bring anything we want. Whether this balances out against the other dex's we will have to see.

Currently trying to think of a way to bring many warbosses each with a relic. so as to create more of a MSU deathstar units. So for example,

Warboss on bike- da headwompa, maybe also lukky stikkz
Warboss on bike - AP3 bike
Warboss on bike

sort of more of the idea that instead of just having one big CC monster who does all the workload, I bring 3 reasonably powerful warbosses who bring the krumpin'!

I'd really love to run multiple warbosses on foot with Big choppa styled gear. Just love the idea of a warboss brute wielding a 2H and just pulverising squads. The headwompa is a step in this direction.

If its actually one relic per army and not one of each, then I'm done.

I know it won't, but part of me wants someone to prove that it is so I'm "forced" to sell.

Its one of each per army, not just one relic.

So you could have the relic bike, relic shoota, relic big choppa, lukky stixx etc all together in an army

Rule says: "Only one of each of the following artefacts may be chosen per army – there is only one of each of these items in the galaxy"

 Jidmah wrote:
Every single relic is only allowed once per army, you can have any number of different relics in your army. You know, like in every single other army.

Seriously people, stop panicking because someone misread something and start using your brain.

Listen to this man.

NO! NO NO NO NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!





After looking at the first page where it shows my favorite Ork vehicle. The Looted Wagon..THEY NERFED IT!!!!!!

The Vehicle No one uses...NERFED!!!!

They took away my most favorite and precious BOOMGUN!
WTF? I hope that picture is not acurate and the boomgun....the Boomgun....BETTER STILL BE THERE WHEN I BUY MY CODEX!

I mean, WTF? orks have 0 options for large blast templates other than the boom gun and that is IT!

I guess if you count the new plane or maybe the completely random rolling double 6's on a shock attack gun. But that was my artillary piece of choice man!

Its str 8 ap3 large blast was my one and Only viable option for dealing with Marines without loosing half my army in the process.

WHY GW WHY?!

Large Blast:
Big bommb
Boom Bomb
Burna bomb
Bubble chukka
Kill Kannon
Shokk Attack Gun (double 6 is vortex, gun is naturally large blast)

Now the real important question:

Does this become my Warboss on bike..... or my big mek?! Ahh i had been saving this model for an awesome conversion. So either a deadly warboss with da headwompa drive by decapitations, Or a nice and shiney front mounted gattling gun (relic bike idea), or a big mek in his scarf and goggles, blasting away with his SAG as he races round the map.



also the LW isn't in the new dex, you need the WD thatt came out last week
but yeh as others said, plenty of large blasts kicking about.

Mel, im sure this has already been clarified but...

the smashas roll per gun each turn... so a battery will have mixed strength shots (so in a group of 5 you'd expect a couple 'good' shots).
is this the same for the bubble chukka?
if so I might take some bubble chukkas in 2's or 3's for some large blast AI fun

Solar Shock wrote:
Now the real important question:

Does this become my Warboss on bike..... or my big mek?! Ahh i had been saving this model for an awesome conversion. So either a deadly warboss with da headwompa drive by decapitations, Or a nice and shiney front mounted gattling gun (relic bike idea), or a big mek in his scarf and goggles, blasting away with his SAG as he races round the map.

Is it actually motorized? Should become a Looted Wagon, for some real life 'Don't Press Dat' action

 Melcavuk wrote:
Large Blast:
Big bommb
Boom Bomb
Burna bomb
Bubble chukka
Kill Kannon
Shokk Attack Gun (double 6 is vortex, gun is naturally large blast)

Grot Bomms (ap3)
Supa Kannon (ap3)
these 2 are my source of large blast, again and again.

Solar Shock wrote:
Now the real important question:

Does this become my Warboss on bike..... or my big mek?! Ahh i had been saving this model for an awesome conversion. So either a deadly warboss with da headwompa drive by decapitations, Or a nice and shiney front mounted gattling gun (relic bike idea), or a big mek in his scarf and goggles, blasting away with his SAG as he races round the map.

wait. you'd use a rare $150 plus kit for a warboss conversion?

Solar Shock wrote:

Mel, im sure this has already been clarified but...

the smashas roll per gun each turn... so a battery will have mixed strength shots (so in a group of 5 you'd expect a couple 'good' shots).
is this the same for the bubble chukka?
if so I might take some bubble chukkas in 2's or 3's for some large blast AI fun

Honestly, having the codex doesnt answer this codex any clearer.

" Roll once each Shooting phase to determine both the Strength and AP of the bubblechukka, " - Bubbles
" Roll once each Shooting phase to determine the Strength of the weapon" - Smashy
"Each time a Zzap gun is fired, roll 2D6 to determine its Strength, after the target unit has been chosen. " Zzzaps

In the past Zzaps all rolled together as a battery, these wordings all imply to me you roll per gun, per phase. So mixed strength batteries are possible, but it may be down to a rules debate.

 Melcavuk wrote:

Solar Shock wrote:

Mel, im sure this has already been clarified but...

the smashas roll per gun each turn... so a battery will have mixed strength shots (so in a group of 5 you'd expect a couple 'good' shots).
is this the same for the bubble chukka?
if so I might take some bubble chukkas in 2's or 3's for some large blast AI fun

Honestly, having the codex doesnt answer this codex any clearer.

" Roll once each Shooting phase to determine both the Strength and AP of the bubblechukka, " - Bubbles
" Roll once each Shooting phase to determine the Strength of the weapon" - Smashy
"Each time a Zzap gun is fired, roll 2D6 to determine its Strength, after the target unit has been chosen. " Zzzaps

In the past Zzaps all rolled together as a battery, these wordings all imply to me you roll per gun, per phase. So mixed strength batteries are possible, but it may be down to a rules debate.

I don't see justification for a debate. The old codex specified the "Zap Gun Battery" rolls a single dice. If those are verbatim from the new book, they are all specifically singular. "A Zzap gun" "the weapon" "the bubblechukka" No plurals there, all singular articles.

Not that will stop the debate of course :(

True, there is nothing in the mek gun battery itself, nor the weapon profile that indicates you'd roll once for the entire battery. Just wasnt sure if people would take the old zzap gun results as a precedent for a variable strength weapons battery.

 Melcavuk wrote:

In the past Zzaps all rolled together as a battery, these wordings all imply to me you roll per gun, per phase. So mixed strength batteries are possible, but it may be down to a rules debate.

Yaaay, so with 5 guns that hit at different strenghts and can hit multiple units with the large template, I now have a potential for something along the lines of 5-15 wound pools, depending on how many units and characters are hit.

Heh, I know where this is going. They complicate the rules on purpose. GW will soon be selling scribe-servitors. The deluxe version is made from employees that have become obsolte with the closing of smaller stores or general reduction of personel. Can't keep track on the 15 different USRs your troop-type units now have? Alocationg wounds to 3 squads hit by a bubblechucka battery? Need to charge with fleet jump infantry through difficult terrain against a unit gone to ground but equiped with defensive grenades? No problem now, your trusty battlescribe (R)(C)(TM) will assist you in these and many other battlefield challenges you may face in your hobby!

 Kosake wrote:
GW will soon be selling scribe-servitors. The deluxe version is made from employees that have become obsolte with the closing of smaller stores or general reduction of personel...

I'm still not sure what exalting does, but I'm doing it.

I assume they'll faq the guns to one roll. Hopefully not as that would be even less to justify buying them. If we're down to 3 heavy slots, no spam, what're people considering? I'm thinking Morkanaut, Gitz in wagon and lootas or kanz. Would like mek gunz too but don't fancy dual foc. Hopefully the ia8 dread list will update to include some new stuff again...

My mates considering 3 Baby Squiggoths with a unit of 10 Lootas in each

rtb01 wrote:
I assume they'll faq the guns to one roll. Hopefully not as that would be even less to justify buying them. If we're down to 3 heavy slots, no spam, what're people considering? I'm thinking Morkanaut, Gitz in wagon and lootas or kanz. Would like mek gunz too but don't fancy dual foc. Hopefully the ia8 dread list will update to include some new stuff again...

Currently my heavies are taken up with a Flash Gitz mob (in battle wagon), Battlewagon for a shoot mob, and a 5 kannon battery.

rtb01 wrote:
I assume they'll faq the guns to one roll. Hopefully not as that would be even less to justify buying them. If we're down to 3 heavy slots, no spam, what're people considering? I'm thinking Morkanaut, Gitz in wagon and lootas or kanz. Would like mek gunz too but don't fancy dual foc. Hopefully the ia8 dread list will update to include some new stuff again...

Why assume that? Gw stopped bothering to do codex specific faqs for over a year in 6th ed (ie most of the edition).. they only did recent faqs because they had to due to new edition and they were incredibly lazy even at that. I imagine we are on our own

rtb01 wrote:
I assume they'll faq the guns to one roll. Hopefully not as that would be even less to justify buying them. If we're down to 3 heavy slots, no spam, what're people considering? I'm thinking Morkanaut, Gitz in wagon and lootas or kanz. Would like mek gunz too but don't fancy dual foc. Hopefully the ia8 dread list will update to include some new stuff again...

At least in my first game I'll go for tripple battlewagons each with painboy, killsaw mek, pk nob and 17 boyz in them. I'll see how that goes.

Also, for discussing tactics, have a look here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/601805.page

 Kirasu wrote:

rtb01 wrote:
I assume they'll faq the guns to one roll. Hopefully not as that would be even less to justify buying them. If we're down to 3 heavy slots, no spam, what're people considering? I'm thinking Morkanaut, Gitz in wagon and lootas or kanz. Would like mek gunz too but don't fancy dual foc. Hopefully the ia8 dread list will update to include some new stuff again...

Why assume that? Gw stopped bothering to do codex specific faqs for over a year in 6th ed (ie most of the edition).. they only did recent faqs because they had to due to new edition and they were incredibly lazy even at that. I imagine we are on our own

Yeh i don't expect anything to change in regards to the FW IA8 stuff, but possibly for the batteries and other codex parts if there is a need to clarify something horribly broken. It would truly suck if its a roll per battery, as that simply means that the guns with random str/ap will suck balls.

your smasha d6+4.... rolls a 1,2,3 and is pretty useless against armour... but too late you already chose your target.
Atleast with per gun this is more and more negated the larger the battery you take (which should be the gain you get for the fact your overcompensating on how many shots are needed to take down armour).

The bubble chukka i suppose slightly makes up for this with its AP trade off. I mean more than likely your target is MEQ or worse and the trade off is wounds against AP. so high AP low wound count, low AP high wound count. But if you had a roll per gun then you'd give yourself a much wider target range, as with say 3 guns your 'guaranteed' - 100% chance of AP1/2 so you can now be pretty sure that if you target a TEQ that you'll be reasonable at dealing wounds. Although I do agree that the wound allocation would be annoying, considering you'd have a mirage of different str/ap wounds to roll out.

I think the kannon or lobba are still great choices and that tracktor and KMK are also worth taking if its roll per battery.

We already have a tactics thread? Bleh, the codex needs to be in people's hands first IMO.

rtb01 wrote:
I assume they'll faq the guns to one roll. Hopefully not as that would be even less to justify buying them. If we're down to 3 heavy slots, no spam, what're people considering? I'm thinking Morkanaut, Gitz in wagon and lootas or kanz. Would like mek gunz too but don't fancy dual foc. Hopefully the ia8 dread list will update to include some new stuff again...

I imagine the change to a per gun basis vs the old wording is intentional, especially since now you can have mixed batteries of variable strength weapons.

 Mousemuffins wrote:

Solar Shock wrote:
Now the real important question:

Does this become my Warboss on bike..... or my big mek?! Ahh i had been saving this model for an awesome conversion. So either a deadly warboss with da headwompa drive by decapitations, Or a nice and shiney front mounted gattling gun (relic bike idea), or a big mek in his scarf and goggles, blasting away with his SAG as he races round the map.

wait. you'd use a rare $150 plus kit for a warboss conversion?

True commitment to the Ork cause! (We need a saluting Ork emoticon)

DaKrumpa wrote:
We already have a tactics thread? Bleh, the codex needs to be in people's hands first IMO.

It is in people's hands

rtb01 wrote:
I assume they'll faq the guns to one roll. Hopefully not as that would be even less to justify buying them. If we're down to 3 heavy slots, no spam, what're people considering? I'm thinking Morkanaut, Gitz in wagon and lootas or kanz. Would like mek gunz too but don't fancy dual foc. Hopefully the ia8 dread list will update to include some new stuff again...

My HS slots will be crammed packed with Kanz, A Morkanaught, and Dredd, if not double dose of Kanz. I'm wanting to be cheesy with that big fat KFF bubble to make a nice Kan wall again to support my Boyz, possibly with some Big Mek or Weirdboy support.

 Jadenim wrote:

 Mousemuffins wrote:

Solar Shock wrote:
Now the real important question:

Does this become my Warboss on bike..... or my big mek?! Ahh i had been saving this model for an awesome conversion. So either a deadly warboss with da headwompa drive by decapitations, Or a nice and shiney front mounted gattling gun (relic bike idea), or a big mek in his scarf and goggles, blasting away with his SAG as he races round the map.

wait. you'd use a rare $150 plus kit for a warboss conversion?

True commitment to the Ork cause! (We need a saluting Ork emoticon)

Ahh sadly it isn't this exact model kit..... but its the same look..... ripe for da lootin' boyz!
Swinging towards big Mek with a SAG.

But what are the true benefits of a SAG on a bike? jink? cant shoot. Putting in a squad of bikers? still seems a waste of targets? as you also dont exactly want to be assulting

T5, Can move and fire?

The Red WAAAGH! is clearly about Grukk the Face Rippa.

I had my doubts about Sguidbot saying that he saw a Warboss models with a squig and a buzzsaw.

A hundred pages ago I asked if what he saw was Warboss Grukk but he did not confirm.

But now I am sure we will get a Model for Grukk the Face Rippa.

He is even mentioned in the new Rule book and his WAAAGH! is called the Red Waaagh! out of all the new models I am excited about this one.

I hope it lives up to my expectations.

 Musibatkhan wrote:
The Red WAAAGH! is clearly about Grukk the Face Rippa.

I had my doubts about Sguidbot saying that he saw a Warboss models with a squig and a buzzsaw.

A hundred pages ago I asked if what he saw was Warboss Grukk but he did not confirm.

But now I am sure we will get a Model for Grukk the Face Rippa.

He is even mentioned in the new Rule book and his WAAAGH! is called the Red Waaagh! out of all the new models I am excited about this one.

I hope it lives up to my expectations.

He also gets significant face time in this new codex (fluffwise, no model), a section on the red waagh, units and characters of note within it etc.