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+ there is a chance that if Grukk model is not released as a character miniature to buy It might be that if we are getting a new starter Box that might include Grukk.

why I am sure that we will get this model one way or the other?

Squidbot has seen them and so far every thing he saw has been true because we have seen them ourselves as time went by.

 Melcavuk wrote:

 Musibatkhan wrote:
The Red WAAAGH! is clearly about Grukk the Face Rippa.

I had my doubts about Sguidbot saying that he saw a Warboss models with a squig and a buzzsaw.

A hundred pages ago I asked if what he saw was Warboss Grukk but he did not confirm.

But now I am sure we will get a Model for Grukk the Face Rippa.

He is even mentioned in the new Rule book and his WAAAGH! is called the Red Waaagh! out of all the new models I am excited about this one.

I hope it lives up to my expectations.

He also gets significant face time in this new codex (fluffwise, no model), a section on the red waagh, units and characters of note within it etc.

Hmm, interesting. It's a bit odd that he gets face time in the codex and in the fluff part of the new codex but no rules or model... I'm really wondering what's the next WD going to entail?

 Melcavuk wrote:

 Musibatkhan wrote:
The Red WAAAGH! is clearly about Grukk the Face Rippa.

I had my doubts about Sguidbot saying that he saw a Warboss models with a squig and a buzzsaw.

A hundred pages ago I asked if what he saw was Warboss Grukk but he did not confirm.

But now I am sure we will get a Model for Grukk the Face Rippa.

He is even mentioned in the new Rule book and his WAAAGH! is called the Red Waaagh! out of all the new models I am excited about this one.

I hope it lives up to my expectations.

He also gets significant face time in this new codex (fluffwise, no model), a section on the red waagh, units and characters of note within it etc.

what does the codex say about him? can you give us some details?

We have his origins on Eyrok under warboss Krugg
Devious mek Mogrok who spurs him onto greater conquests
How he got his name
Conquet of Eyrok
Assault on the Sanctus subsector
Assault and Destruction of the Obsidian Glaives Homeworld (chaptermaster goes byebye)
Bit of a map of him bunny hopping between planets
And a breakdown of units of note within his Waaaaagh (Da Fists of Grogg, Goffboss Drogg etc)

can units with " 'ere we go" charge (after running) every turn? or only with a declared whaagh! ?

It seems like quite a lot of work to only have him in the fluff. I hope we get a red waagh! supplement!

Thanks Mel!

Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

 Gratlugg wrote:
Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

Although it is disappointing that we lost named characters, however, it is possible they add them again in the future as supplements.

The more ways I can play my army, the better! I am all for more supplements and/or dattaslates.

RedNoak wrote:


can units with " 'ere we go" charge (after running) every turn? or only with a declared whaagh! ?

Only during a Waaagh!.
'ere we go on its own lets you reroll one charge dice.

 Gratlugg wrote:
Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

Yes we all are sad for Wazdakka and others ( mainly all those who did not have GW models) I love wazdakka and his half page lore.

But I am so glad that we might get a new Warboss character to take other than Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka.

I am sick of seeing him for what seems like eternity.

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

 Musibatkhan wrote:

 Gratlugg wrote:
Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

Yes we all are sad for Wazdakka and others ( mainly all those who did not have GW models) I love wazdakka and his half page lore.

But I am so glad that we might get a new Warboss character to take other than Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka.

I am sick of seeing him for what seems like eternity.

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

Both of them are actually bad guys in black armour, so they loose... end of the story.
I know it is boring as hell...

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise)

How could a big bad ork warboss named after Margaret Thatcher could be a bad character? This simple trivia makes him awesome.

 Musibatkhan wrote:

 Gratlugg wrote:
Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

Yes we all are sad for Wazdakka and others ( mainly all those who did not have GW models) I love wazdakka and his half page lore.

But I am so glad that we might get a new Warboss character to take other than Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka.

I am sick of seeing him for what seems like eternity.

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

while it is nice to get a new named warboss, i wouldn't want them to just drop ghazkull. and i do believe he accomplished his goals at armageddon, which were to a) fight da humiez til he got bored, and b) turn armageddon into a perpetual warzone. he basically created disneyland for orks. who knows what sort of crazy thing he'll get up to next?
as far as abaddon's black crusades go, how do we know they were unsuccessful? his motives are never exactly made clear. there's only one i ever heard any details of, where everyone thought he was after artifact x, which he did manage to get, when he was really after some possessed librarian or something like that, which he also got his hands on, if i recall right.

mortar_crew wrote:

 Musibatkhan wrote:

 Gratlugg wrote:
Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

Yes we all are sad for Wazdakka and others ( mainly all those who did not have GW models) I love wazdakka and his half page lore.

But I am so glad that we might get a new Warboss character to take other than Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka.

I am sick of seeing him for what seems like eternity.

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

Both of them are actually bad guys in black armour, so they loose... end of the story.
I know it is boring as hell...

yes i know. Sadly GW can never show us the bad boyz ever winning even if they are the very best of that faction.

But as the fluff keeps saying Orks are so numerous and yet we have one Warboss character to show for that. and most of the secondary character come from the same Ghazghkull story too e.g: Snikkrot, Nazdreg, Da Vulcha boyz.

so If we get Grukk we might get new characters that accompanied his Red Waaagh!

So I for one want a new warboss other than MR Ghazghkull.

Man, I know it has been said a lot already, but that Mob Rule chart is really piss poor design at its finest. Three different results, for three different scenarios on a whole. Does it even explain what happens if you don't meet the criteria? What happens if you roll a 2-3 and you don't have a character in the mob? Do you pass? Do you fail? And the random allocation of wounds is even more sloppy. How the Hell do you figure out which model gets the hits? Roll a 30 sided die? And in the end, as your mob wittles down, you now have 2 in 3 chances to fail the Mob chart. Just seems stupid really. Very stupid, and as if it were thought out at midnight and hadn't a drop of caffeine in their system to make them at least a bit alert while writing it down.

Bosses of the note (other than named characters) mentioned in the book:

Grukk
Gashrakk Da Flash (loots in the wake of Grukks Waaagh)
Great Despot of Dregruk (Long standing war with Gathrog)
Arch-Dictator of Gathrog (See above)
Arch-Arsonist of Charadon (Pyromaniac Orks)
Arch-Maniac of Calverna (Big Mek wired into a Forgeworld)

 Gratlugg wrote:
Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

Only in fluff. In practice it will be more like the Black legion supplement.

morpheuschild wrote:

 Musibatkhan wrote:

 Gratlugg wrote:
Another new, no-name supplement is the last thing I wanted for the Orks. We lost so many awesome, old characters and now we get this guy ala Crimson Slaughter.

Yes we all are sad for Wazdakka and others ( mainly all those who did not have GW models) I love wazdakka and his half page lore.

But I am so glad that we might get a new Warboss character to take other than Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka.

I am sick of seeing him for what seems like eternity.

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

while it is nice to get a new named warboss, i wouldn't want them to just drop ghazkull. and i do believe he accomplished his goals at armageddon, which were to a) fight da humiez til he got bored, and b) turn armageddon into a perpetual warzone. he basically created disneyland for orks. who knows what sort of crazy thing he'll get up to next?
as far as abaddon's black crusades go, how do we know they were unsuccessful? his motives are never exactly made clear. there's only one i ever heard any details of, where everyone thought he was after artifact x, which he did manage to get, when he was really after some possessed librarian or something like that, which he also got his hands on, if i recall right.

I never said they should drop Ghazghkull but that does not mean he should be the only Warboss we get as a character.

Look at the fantasy counterpart. The Orcs there have so many characters compared to the 40k.

+ the Warbosses and Orc characters in fantasy Achieved huge Feats.

the only one that impressed me in 40k was Wazdakka single handedly bringing down a Titan!


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 Melcavuk wrote:
Bosses of the note (other than named characters) mentioned in the book:

Grukk
Gashrakk Da Flash (loots in the wake of Grukks Waaagh)
Great Despot of Dregruk (Long standing war with Gathrog)
Arch-Dictator of Gathrog (See above)
Arch-Arsonist of Charadon (Pyromaniac Orks)
Arch-Maniac of Calverna (Big Mek wired into a Forgeworld)

Those sound very yummy

cant wait to get my hand on the Codex to read that new Fluff.

Would be totally awesome if they had a more 'advanced' relic system. in the sense that it allowed you to create a named character by effect.

As currently the new relics are really interesting (thinking the AP3 bike and the 6 shot TL shoota). You can basically make a character this way the only main problem is that in all other respects you are pretty limited.

if relics was expanded and it was to include way more customisation of a character that would be wicked. So like off the top of my head.. You could make any character in the army your warlord, so say a burna boy. He then becomes a HQ choice, but you get the chance to beef him up stat and wargear wise. it would have to be pretty complicated tbh, as in allow you to beef one stat for x points and then therefore limited in other stats (aka prevent you creating a ridiculously OP model). But would be sweet to bring a burna boy who has a two shot burna, high str, has a mount (lets say a squig) and could bring a stat increase to a squad, such as flaming bullets (which could be a AP decrease for example).

However thats just a boy dreaming.
On-topic

T5, move and shoot, i suppose considering I imagine the only points difference is the cost of the bike? so roughly 25pts.

Thats probably not a bad investment, given that with the SAG you'd never be out of range really, but positioning is nice. I for some reason was assuming that the pts difference would be stupid just because its gimmicky. but in reality its probably not.

 DaisyWondercow wrote:

 bigdark wrote:
Grukk sounds ripe for a conversion from the sewn together rat ogre from Fantasy Island of Blood.

Why, yes. Yes he does.

This. Looks. Amazing.

Is that a nob's head or a warboss's? What did you do for the legs?

I ordered a bunch of DP bits to make Tuska, meanwhile I have tons of these Rat Ogres sitting around I coulda used...

Wow, he looks great, and will look even better towering over a bunch of boyz. Good job.

Does Grotsniks rampage confirm to the unit or just him ?

Rampaging, fearless fnp burna boyz sound fun.

Goes to the unit aswell as him

 Musibatkhan wrote:

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

Wait a second... Ghazghkull's GOAL? Ghazghkull's goal is to FIGHT!! In that sense he accomplished his goal quite well. So what if he never actually conquered Armageddon? He started one hell of a good Waaaaaggh!

Is the cost of a Deffkopta buzzsaw like the old codex or like the IA8 Dread Mob Army List?

Also, which gear can the Painboy access again?

Murrdox wrote:

 Musibatkhan wrote:

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

Wait a second... Ghazghkull's GOAL? Ghazghkull's goal is to FIGHT!! In that sense he accomplished his goal quite well. So what if he never actually conquered Armageddon? He started one hell of a good Waaaaaggh!

Yeah I guess us orks are very easy to please.

Ork fluff is so sad that any bone GW throw at us we are happy.

On the other side when you read the Imperial side it says Ghazghkulls WAAAGH! was successfully halted. They don't say Ghazghkull WAAAGH went out of control.

Murrdox wrote:

 Musibatkhan wrote:

And I seriously think Ghazghkull is a bad Character.( fluff wise) He is said to be the most successful Ork Warlord and yet he has not achieved his main goal in years. He is on par with Abaddon and his unsuccessful black crusades.

Wait a second... Ghazghkull's GOAL? Ghazghkull's goal is to FIGHT!! In that sense he accomplished his goal quite well. So what if he never actually conquered Armageddon? He started one hell of a good Waaaaaggh!

If by one hell of a good Waaagh you mean literally the largest Ork invasion in the history of the galaxy! The stalemate he achieved was a huge win because now this absolutely crucial hive world is locked in a constant state of warfare. The Imperials can't give it up because it's too important to that region of space, but don't have the resources necessary to completely eliminate the Ork threat because they just keep pouring in, attracted as they are by the immense Waaagh energy.

Back on topic - do meganobs still have the same transport options? I'm thinking this new codex might be the right time to invest in a MANz missile.

Has Red Paintjob changed in any ways?

MANz still have Trukk + BW.

Red Paint only applies when moving flat out (i.e., it's bad).