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wow we are getting even more releases it looks like with red waaagh...

thats awesome, buffed codex, viable CC formation with multi waaghs and HOW's, more special formations on the way... stompa in codex to finally quite the QQ'ers who want to housrule away my solution to 90%+ of their crazy stuff that they dont want to housrule away.

loving it...

sure prices are not cheap, but they got cheaper on lots of stuff, the MANZ look great, new sculpts and in plastic, oh yes!

 Zog Off wrote:
Any of you math geniuses want to compare the morale check for a 5-strong squad of Deffkoptas in the last edition to a 5-strong squad of Deffkoptas in the new edition?

I always wanted to max out a squad instead of taking singles, but their morale was too bad. I would like to see if the new Mob Rule helps them.

Err... it's basically identical under both rules sets.

Deffkoptas can't be taken in a large enough unit to benefit from either the old mob rule or squabble, they can't have characters and they can't have bosspoles. The only possible difference under the new rules is that if they are locked in combat there is a slightly better chance of them passing a morale test. For all other circumstances they are simply a Ld 7 unit, under both old and new rules.

Is one of the mega nobz in that box suppose to be Nazdreg?

Da Butcha wrote:

 Toburk wrote:

GW's business plan (if you can call it that) for a while now has been to have high margins on low volume, and the prices have just hit the point were I've been priced out, regardless of disposable income.

That was me with the Warboss Edition. I AM the target audience for that, but I could buy the rulebook, the supplement, and the cards (which may or may not come with it, depending on whether you believe White Dwarf or the website) from my FLGS, supporting them, and pay about $50 less (even if I didn't get a discount and a rebate from them). I can't justify $50 for art prints of covers I already own, and objective coins, no matter how much I want them (and I do want those orky counters).

It's not just the high price, it's the value for cost, and, for me, GW's decision to hose the gaming stores on this limited stuff.

Gaming stores can get web exclusives, if yours cannot then they are not trying hard enough.

Makinit wrote:
Is one of the mega nobz in that box suppose to be Nazdreg?

I believe the Megamek can be Nazdreg.

 pretre wrote:

Makinit wrote:
Is one of the mega nobz in that box suppose to be Nazdreg?

I believe the Megamek can be Nazdreg.

No sorry nazdreg is missing from the codex you can make a big mek in mega armor and a tellyporta blasta out of the new meganobz box.

Any word on whether or not the MANz kit will allow you to make a Megamek with KFF? It does seem to include the tellyporta blasta bits, but I'm also hoping the option to add a KFF to your mek is in there.

DaKrumpa wrote:
Gaming stores can get web exclusives, if yours cannot then they army trying hard enough.

At a much smaller margin.

It basically boils down to whether they give enough of a gak about you to do you a favor. A store that says they can't get you a web exclusive is really saying they're not going to move a finger for you unless it gives them an immediate return.

They painted up the megamek yellow (bad moons) and gave him a corny name that is very similar to nazdreg... Nazgreg or something silly...

The old meganobs were ludicrously overpriced, so I suppose the new kit just being stupidly expensive is an improvement of sorts. Outside my price range. Which is a shame as I quite like them, especially the megamek.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

DaKrumpa wrote:
Gaming stores can get web exclusives, if yours cannot then they army trying hard enough.

At a much smaller margin.

It basically boils down to whether they give enough of a gak about you to do you a favor. A store that says they can't get you a web exclusive is really saying they're not going to move a finger for you unless it gives them an immediate return.

It's not even that hard for them to do it though! I think there is a 50 dollar minimum order, which is a joke when you look at the prices anyways. I do realize that their margins for "direct sales" are lower but they are not non-existent.

The new manz look great, are they bigger/bulkier then the current ones? They kind of look it to me.

Love the bonus grot and the fully armoured head in particular.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 The Good Green wrote:
Yeah, the morale table looks very painful. On first reading it, I'm expecting every small squad to get wiped of the table by it's own nob the first time they take shooting attacking. :( Hopefully an faq deals with some of our concerns.

You have to fail the morale check, and its hits, not wounds, so only half of the D6 will be wounds, so on average you're looking at 1.5 wounds, and you still get your 6+ t-shirt save that probably reduces that a tiny bit more.

Well, say a trukk boyz mob assaults in. They probably take a wound from the trukk popping. Then there's overwatch. They will likely be swinging last in combat, right? If the dice are with you, they might not do so bad, but mathammer and rolling dice don't always agree. Have you guys ever had a game that seemed like the dice were against you? It just seems rough to have a potential 6 hits on an already small unit as 2 out of 3 options on the moral chart.

The mathammer does make me feel better about it, but without the 10+ leadership for the 10+ units it seems like they'll be failing more moral checks too. I'm sure the nob wiping out a scrawny squad of boyz to face the firing squad on his own won't happen every time... but I'm sure it will happen enough of the time. Still a very orky rule, tho.

You know, for a second I thought the Red Waaagh might be rebel grots, but GW wouldn't be that nice. Though it's likely to be Speed Freaks, which will be awesome. I'm excited to have rules for different clans and cults again. With a Ghaz codex in the wings, I hope we get quite a few supplements to pic and choose from.

Love the new MANZ, especially that clamp-klaw, and $63 for 4 models plus bits is not too expensive. If anything we get more, since 3 would cost you $60+ anyway. This pricing was expected as well, so no real big change in that regard.

At least they're not Centruion prices - now THAT is overpriced.
Whoops, double posted. How did that happen?

What if for the red waaagh next week, its a data slate for grukk da face rippa?! Could be possible with all these dataslates flying around!

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
So if mega armor still.grants slow and purposefull, if they take a git finder do they always have the BS3 since they count as stationary ?

I wish we could over watch with slow and purposefull, it kills putting my big mek in mega armor with a bunch of shoota boy's =(

S&P, as well as Relentless, only affects weapons which are Heavy, Ordnance or Rapid fire. Since most ork weapons are assault, the Git Finda wouldn't improve them much.

yeah,

 The Good Green wrote:
...You know, for a second I thought the Red Waaagh might be rebel grots, but GW wouldn't be that nice...

Now that would be awesome!

Didn't we have rumours of a Grot boss?
and Grot buggies

My little gits would love it!
Took them out for their last game with the old codex
They actually did me proud.


I do wonder what the points cost of that lot will be in the codex...
I should save some points with the rumours of rockets being a free exchange.

Can't wait to get hold of the codex this weekend!!

Panic...

So whats this red waaagh thing? Is it an alternative 'Ork codex' type thing? Is it Tyranid formation dataslates?

Also I read Dreads are cheaper, what do they cost base now?

So do Orks really only have five codex characters now?
(Ghazghkull, Grotsnik, Badrukk, Snikrot and Zagstruk)

Plus two Forgeworld guys (Buzzgob and Zhadsnark)

That isn't very many, really.

 Dakkamite wrote:
So whats this red waaagh thing? Is it an alternative 'Ork codex' type thing? Is it Tyranid formation dataslates?

Also I read Dreads are cheaper, what do they cost base now?

Da Red Waaagh! is a Waaagh! led by Grukk da Face-Rippa, a violent ork warboss who has been mentioned in the rulebook and WDW 20 (I think). Apparently he's doing pretty well for himself and becoming kind of an unstoppable killing machine and a massive thorn in the Imperium's side.

Grukk sounds ripe for a conversion from the sewn together rat ogre from Fantasy Island of Blood.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grukk#.U6iaXbEZAUg

"Grukk is still alive today, albeit covered in a grotesque patchwork of thick, knotted scars."

That rat ogre is all sewn up and his back is scar patterned.

"It features a kustom buzz-saw that Grukk uses to live up his nickname as often as he can. It also magnifies his strength from merely impressive to utterly terrifying."

Deff dread bit with a good strong jawed Nob head, chop off that tale and cover his delicates with some tank tread bits... KABLAMASS.

Sounds like a powerful, scarred, and furry Warboss. Never been Ghazghkull man. Grukk might be my new Warboss.

Glad I held off on preordering the codex now.

Hmmm.

Are the "Ork Datacards" marked as no longer available for anyone else on the UK store?

You get a few pages on Da Red Waaagh in the codex, notably his destruction of a space marine home world and how he came to lead the waaagh. He's got a Mek basically whispering in his ear to guide him on the Waaagh. There's also a breakdown of notable mobs within his waaagh that are named, so perhaps we will see rules for them.

"When, during the Battle of Bonewash, Grukk’s Skullcrackers were ambushed by rebel grots of the Red-toe Tribe it was Mogrok’s shokk-traktor truck that sucked up the diminutive warriors and sprayed them across the desert like green and red confetti."

May have to make up a Mekboy junka to represent this.

US is sold out too. Tbh I'm surprised the Warboss book is still available.

 bigdark wrote:
Grukk sounds ripe for a conversion from the sewn together rat ogre from Fantasy Island of Blood.

Why, yes. Yes he does.

Currently bidding on ebay to get ahold of the limited edition runtbot model for my Mega Armour warboss. Awesome looking model and something I'd love to put to use in my newly formed Mekish army.

 Dez wrote:
US is sold out too. Tbh I'm surprised the Warboss book is still available.

Does that mean they're gone for good? Kinda bummed I snoozed on those, but I assume the codex has a table with the same objectives on it, right? Cards would be cool, but I guess, when models are so expensive, I shouldn't spend on extras like cards.

Any word on what the Ghazzy book has in it? Is it fluff or does it have rules?

"Background, rules and missions" so says the last page of the codex.

 l0k1 wrote:
Any word on what the Ghazzy book has in it? Is it fluff or does it have rules?

It looks like you have datasheets in it to play formations. Da Vulcha Skwad (Stormboyz) and Blitz Brigade (BWs) are included.
We might actually get cool stuff in it, I'm keeping my hopes up.