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Not really. It would have been appalling design if they changed everything else to suit a corner case that still functions fine (and still seems like a nice addition to a lot of crews).

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Da-Goff-Guard

WTF?!?!

 nflagey wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Da-Goff-Guard

WTF?!?!

temporarily out of stock as well. What's the confusing part? It's just a one-click bundle.

The price tag, I'm wondering if GW sells a lot of those $1000++ collection.
A few 1-click collection are TOOS, I guess because the Ork Warboss with Attack Squig is TOOS.

Otherwise, I really like those MANZ in red !

What's the unit size for normal nobz in the new book? That collection has units that look like 15, so at least bigger than mega nobz.

 nflagey wrote:
The price tag, I'm wondering if GW sells a lot of those $1000++ collection.
A few 1-click collection are TOOS, I guess because the Ork Warboss with Attack Squig is TOOS.

Otherwise, I really like those MANZ in red !

I do find these pretty funny, but the one clicks aren't much effort for GW.

Some guy who does their design work puts a link up, photoshops a pic, and posts it. If anyone buys it (which I think is very rare) they pick and ship.

10 nobs max of any variety

 Jidmah wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
soooo... I have the codex in hand... its AWFUL...

DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON IT...

Burna is now ALWAYS AP 3 in combat... but not if you shoot first.... sorry edit

you have to choose like before to use it as either shooting or close combat... can't do both

Hey man, does the codex have "art" or "model photos" in the unit entries?

Photos. A lot of new art in the fluff part though. Fluff also seems to be rewritten. It has similar content to the old codex, but the actual words a different. No major retcon as far as I can tell, besides Flash Gits no longer being part of Bad Moons and the "orks become spores on death"-theory stated as one of many theories rather than fact.

Cheers man. It was that weirdboy entry that pushed me over the edge into selling rather than adapting, and then I heard rumours it was a WD article and started to reconsider...

Best of luck making the best of this codex and the game.

 frgsinwntr wrote:
10 nobs max of any variety

Awwww. Was hoping for a unit of 15 nobz + characters to cruise around in a battlewagon.

 Jambles wrote:

But it's still a hilarious oversight, right? That piece of equipment serves absolutely no purpose, and for all we know could have affected the overall point cost of the model! It's a microcosm of all the criticisms leveled at Games Workshop's game design philosophy...

he. good way to put it

funny that ghazskull lost its asiamanzanium skull and grotsnik got usless gear but the point costs are the same as in the last dex.

(225/160 right?)

 nflagey wrote:
The price tag, I'm wondering if GW sells a lot of those $1000++ collection.
A few 1-click collection are TOOS, I guess because the Ork Warboss with Attack Squig is TOOS.

Otherwise, I really like those MANZ in red !

Goto this link for a cheaper version

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Da-Goff-Guard

By cheaper, i mean the opposite.

 Dakkamite wrote:

Cheers man. It was that weirdboy entry that pushed me over the edge into selling rather than adapting, and then I heard rumours it was a WD article and started to reconsider...

Best of luck making the best of this codex and the game.

This is probably like the fourth or fifth time you've mentioned you're giving up on the game and selling your models (though I admit I skipped a fair number of pages on slow news days). Who do you think needs or will benefit from multiple updates re: your quitting 40K?

No hard feelings, though, as you're the one who clued me in to the Painboss in IA8, one of the things that made my late-6th ed games fun and caused untold amounts of rage in my opponents, also one of the things I was most glad to see included in the main book this time around. It's unfortunate you're not attempting to use that same cleverness to suss out the best combos in 7th.

Nobody is impressed with public displays of army crisis. Sell or don't sell. Who cares? More models on Bartertown for me.

This is a better book, any other tears are broken dreams and lost wish lists.

@Da Goff Guard

wow thats some price range

poor poor aussies...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Da-Goff-Guard
$2,626

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Da-Goff-Guard
$3,844

RedNoak wrote:
@Da Goff Guard

wow thats some price range

poor poor aussies...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Da-Goff-Guard
$2,626

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Da-Goff-Guard
$3,844

I think it's a small price to pay for living in such a beautiful place.

 PhillyT wrote:

I do find these pretty funny, but the one clicks aren't much effort for GW.

Some guy who does their design work puts a link up, photoshops a pic, and posts it. If anyone buys it (which I think is very rare) they pick and ship.

Game clubs will pool money to buy a huge army like that, I have some friends who got the first big Marine chapter bundle that way and split it up according to who wanted/needed what.

 matphat wrote:

RedNoak wrote:
@Da Goff Guard

wow thats some price range

poor poor aussies...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Da-Goff-Guard
$2,626

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Da-Goff-Guard
$3,844

I think it's a small price to pay for living in such a beautiful place.

The £500 difference between UK and AUS price could buy you a plane ticket to visit

 Multimoog wrote:

No hard feelings, though, as you're the one who clued me in to the Painboss in IA8, one of the things that made my late-6th ed games fun and caused untold amounts of rage in my opponents, also one of the things I was most glad to see included in the main book this time around. It's unfortunate you're not attempting to use that same cleverness to suss out the best combos in 7th.

 PhillyT wrote:
This is a better book, any other tears are broken dreams and lost wish lists.

I don't think anybody, myself included, who has taken a serious look at the rules are saying they are weak rules by this point. The combos are apparent already and will become more so pretty soon. Hell, in d3 victory points edition, Orks have the potential for greatness if your willing to play the missions instead of krump some gits.

As to the rest, theres an ignore button if it offends your sensibilities. I care as much about your opinion as you do mine, whatever that amount may be.

 Multimoog wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

I do find these pretty funny, but the one clicks aren't much effort for GW.

Some guy who does their design work puts a link up, photoshops a pic, and posts it. If anyone buys it (which I think is very rare) they pick and ship.

Game clubs will pool money to buy a huge army like that, I have some friends who got the first big Marine chapter bundle that way and split it up according to who wanted/needed what.

The first marine chapter bundle was a huge discount. These one click bundles are basically no discount (meaning that actually, you're paying more since you could generally find an order that big for 20% off somewhere).

Wow... just wow.

I just read the new Deff-Rolla rule for myself. I knew it'd been neutered, but I didn't realize how bad it was.

So now the Deffrolla does NOTHING to anything that it Tank Shokks unless that unit does a Death or Glory. Wow. So... i guess don't bother doing Death or Glory against a Battlewagon and you've got nothing to fear.

Ugh. Now I see why it only costs 10 points. Reinforced Rams it is then!

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...

But I believe the +2 AV value from the deff rolla means it does a str 9 hit when ramming.

 greggles wrote:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...

But I believe the +2 AV value from the deff rolla means it does a str 9 hit when ramming.

That's correct. However, a Reinforced Ram adds +2 AV too, so there's not much point in paying the extra 5 points for the Deffrolla!

Wait, so I dident even SEE these before, I was so upset with everything else.

Kanz went to str 7, so you would have to smash to get up to 10 again.
Deffrollas now ONLY work on death or glory??? You cant even ram another vehicle for d3 str 10 hits??
Took it for granted for so long, but we LOST furious charge? So basically boyz hitting vehicles on the back armor is kaput? Sure we have grenades now, but I would rather take 30 or 40 str 4 attacks that hit on 3 rather than 10 str 6 attacks that hit on 5s.

Sure we have grenades now, but I would rather take 30 or 40 str 4 attacks that hit on 3 rather than 10 str 6 attacks that hit on 5s.

Are you sure those are krak grenades? My understanding was that they are assault grenades only.

 Orock wrote:
Wait, so I dident even SEE these before, I was so upset with everything else.

Kanz went to str 7, so you would have to smash to get up to 10 again.
Deffrollas now ONLY work on death or glory??? You cant even ram another vehicle for d3 str 10 hits??
Took it for granted for so long, but we LOST furious charge? So basically boyz hitting vehicles on the back armor is kaput? Sure we have grenades now, but I would rather take 30 or 40 str 4 attacks that hit on 3 rather than 10 str 6 attacks that hit on 5s.

Orks still have furious charge...

can walkers smash?

 PhillyT wrote:
Nobody is impressed with public displays of army crisis. Sell or don't sell. Who cares? More models on Bartertown for me.

This is a better book, any other tears are broken dreams and lost wish lists.

Not saying tears are justified or not, but you are absolutely beyond delusional if you think this is a "better" book.

 Orock wrote:
Wait, so I dident even SEE these before, I was so upset with everything else.

Kanz went to str 7, so you would have to smash to get up to 10 again.
Deffrollas now ONLY work on death or glory??? You cant even ram another vehicle for d3 str 10 hits??
Took it for granted for so long, but we LOST furious charge? So basically boyz hitting vehicles on the back armor is kaput? Sure we have grenades now, but I would rather take 30 or 40 str 4 attacks that hit on 3 rather than 10 str 6 attacks that hit on 5s.

1) Dreadnaughts don't get the "Smash" rule so your Kanz close combat attacks will always be 7. On the bright side, their Klaws aren't unwieldy, so they will strike at I2? Yay?
2) Yes, Deffrollas suck. They are a Reinforced Ram, that do D3 S10 AP4 hits on a unit that perfoms Death or Glory. Nothing else.
3) No, we did not lose Furious Charge.

So looted wagons are really not in the codex... WTF!

That's correct. However, a Reinforced Ram adds +2 AV too, so there's not much point in paying the extra 5 points for the Deffrolla!

Oh...well geez...time to say the deff rolla's I glued on "counts as rams".

Sure they didn't remove the +2 AV from the rams? (I don't have the codex right). That sounds like something they would do...

DeffRolla also offer some advantage in difficult terrain, no?


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 Orock wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Nobody is impressed with public displays of army crisis. Sell or don't sell. Who cares? More models on Bartertown for me.

This is a better book, any other tears are broken dreams and lost wish lists.

Not saying tears are justified or not, but you are absolutely beyond delusional if you think this is a "better" book.

You guys are never going to agree so please stop arguing and saying the other one is "having a crisis" or is "delusional".

Thanks