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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 20:48:53
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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The days of kids playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians in the schoolyard may come to an end because of overly zealous “zero tolerance” policies.
Over the past year, schools have increasingly punished children for playing games that involve pretend firearms. Now Florida is leading the nation in stopping this madness.
On Tuesday, the Florida Senate Education Committee unanimously passed a measure that has become known as the “Pop Tart bill.”
The legislation got its nickname from an incident involving Josh Welch, a 7-year-old Maryland boy who was suspended from school in March 2013 for chewing his strawberry Pop Tart into the shape of a gun.
The Florida bill makes it clear that children in public schools will be allowed to simulate firearms while playing without risk of disciplinary action or being referred to the criminal or juvenile justice system.
The Florida House passed the companion bill Thursday by an overwhelming vote of 98-17. Republican Gov. Rick Scott’s spokeswoman Jackie Schutz told me, “The governor supports the Second Amendment and our state’s self-defense law and will review any bill that comes to his desk.”
Marion Hammer, a former president of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the current head of its Florida lobbying operation said that, “Children should not be punished because some adult lacks common sense or the capacity for rational judgment.”
Ms. Hammer said the NRA supports the legislation because it would “give guidance and relief to school administrators who must walk a fine line between following the law and protecting our children” as well as “stop the abusive result of overreactions of some administrators.”
The House legislation lists the types of games that cannot get a kid into trouble, such as “brandishing a partially consumed pastry or other food item to simulate a firearm or weapon.”
Schoolchildren also will be allowed expressly to use a “finger or hand to simulate a firearm,” draw a picture of a weapon and possess a “toy firearm or weapon made of plastic snap-together building blocks.”
These specifics in the statute seem extreme until you look at the real-life cases in which children have been punished for playing these time-honored games.
Last month, 10-year-old Nathan Entingh was suspended for three days from his Columbus, Ohio, school for pointing his finger like a gun in the classroom.
In January, 6-year-old Rodney Lynch was suspended from his Silver Spring, Md., school for making a shooting gesture with his finger. (His appalled parents later hired an attorney to have the child’s school record cleared.)
Jordan Bennett, an 8-year-old Florida boy, was suspended from school in October for using his finger as a pretend gun while playing cops and robbers. In May, two second-grade boys were suspended from Driver Elementary School in Virginia for pointing pencils at each other while playing soldier.
The Florida bill also makes clear that children will not get into trouble for wearing clothes or accessories with firearms or weapons on them or express opinions about the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/24/florida-set-pass-pop-tart-gun-bill-protect-kids-pl/?page=1#ixzz2x0f396DK
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:02:52
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Douglas Bader
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I'm not sure which side I want to laugh at more, the pro-gun zealots who think that being able to make a toy gun out of your food is a sacred right, or the zero-tolerance idiots who can't tell the difference between legitimate problems and obsessive rule worship.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:03:24
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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All your tasty pop tarts are belong to us! The truth shall be reviled!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:07:12
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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Not a great fan of the NRA, but I am a fan of this quote.
NRA wrote: “Children should not be punished because some adult lacks common sense or the capacity for rational judgment.”
Now we need to apply it to a whole lot more of the nanny state zany legislation and export this bit of American culture straight back to the UK, where its difficult to say stuff like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:24:30
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Schools in general are throwing common since out the window. My 5 year old nephew recently got in trouble for dancing in a unfit manor on the playground. He did a "pelvic thrust" and was sent to the office for it. It's sad that we have to govern these things at such a high level to enforce common sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:38:02
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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Rotary wrote:Schools in general are throwing common since out the window. My 5 year old nephew recently got in trouble for dancing in a unfit manor on the playground. He did a "pelvic thrust" and was sent to the office for it. It's sad that we have to govern these things at such a high level to enforce common sense.
What was the charge, meddling with the space-time continuum?
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:42:53
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Is "Pop Tarts" really a food?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:45:05
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Rotary wrote:Schools in general are throwing common since out the window. My 5 year old nephew recently got in trouble for dancing in a unfit manor on the playground. He did a "pelvic thrust" and was sent to the office for it. It's sad that we have to govern these things at such a high level to enforce common sense.
Your nephew's not related to Kronk is he. That sounds like how it first started with Kronk.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:49:51
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Frazzled wrote: Rotary wrote:Schools in general are throwing common since out the window. My 5 year old nephew recently got in trouble for dancing in a unfit manor on the playground. He did a "pelvic thrust" and was sent to the office for it. It's sad that we have to govern these things at such a high level to enforce common sense.
Your nephew's not related to Kronk is he. That sounds like how it first started with Kronk. 
It was a hypnotic sinuous grind that was Kronks undoing. The teachers were taken with his smoking jacket and bubble pipe though.
OT though sad that it is taking legislation to reinforce common sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 21:51:47
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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No. To quote Jerry Sienfield "they never go stale because they were never fresh to begin with".
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/25 22:51:00
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Peregrine wrote:I'm not sure which side I want to laugh at more, the pro-gun zealots who think that being able to make a toy gun out of your food is a sacred right, or the zero-tolerance idiots who can't tell the difference between legitimate problems and obsessive rule worship.
No one's covered in glory on this. Why admit that zero tolerance rules are asinine and then decide only to carve out a small, well defined niche for firearms? Why not just, you know, come up with new, less pants on head guidelines instead?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/26 09:21:18
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Hulking Hunter-class Warmech
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Ouze wrote:Why not just, you know, come up with new, less pants on head guidelines instead?
Because that would be sensible.
And that's just not allowed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/26 10:58:43
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Careful Tibbsy, you're sounding American right there
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/26 11:28:08
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Dakka Veteran
Anime High School
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We'll have to police call the playgrounds and make sure there are no "suggestive" shaped sticks that a hapless child might accidentally play with. and (hypothetically) poison their mind with.
The idea of shooting something out of a gun shaped object is fascinating as a kid. I can't think of a single more pervasive idea, except maybe swords or flying. This is a bigger issue. you're tackling a century of firearm glorification and generations of people that think of guns as nothing more than tools and entertainment.
"police call" means to scrupulously examine the ground for anything out of place, in military slang, for those who don't know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/26 12:32:14
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Krazed Killa Kan
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I just wish you could get more than 2 flavours of poptarts in the UK
Seriously, we can only get chocolate or strawberry in the supermarkets, unless you want to go to one of those annoying stores that are springing up everywhere called 'americandy' or other such platitudinous names, that charge £6 for a box of pop-tarts.
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On a more on-topic note. If you need to pass legislation to protect children from prosecution if they should even dream of something vaguely in the shape of a firearm, then I'm sorry but it's time to lie down and let the dolphins take over as dominant species, heck what with not having thumbs I don't think real gun crime is really an issue for them, let alone make-believe imitations by the offspring...
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Phototoxin wrote:Kids go in , they waste tonnes of money on marnus calgar and his landraider, the slaneshi-like GW revel at this lust and short term profit margin pleasure. Meanwhile father time and cunning lord tzeentch whisper 'our games are better AND cheaper' and then players leave for mantic and warmahordes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/26 15:25:30
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Peregrine wrote:I'm not sure which side I want to laugh at more, the pro-gun zealots who think that being able to make a toy gun out of your food is a sacred right, or the zero-tolerance idiots who can't tell the difference between legitimate problems and obsessive rule worship.
This. So much this. Have an exalt.
But also this:
NRA wrote:“Children should not be punished because some adult lacks common sense or the capacity for rational judgment.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/26 15:32:26
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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In my experiance, The kid gets punished because the Adult who punished him/her is scared of being punished themselves. It goes all the way to the prinicible sometimes, maybe even the super intendent
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/27 01:32:03
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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The Conquerer
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But has any parent ever complained and threatened to sue because they didn't like the kids playing cops and robbers on the playground?
I mean without immediately getting laughed out of the office
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/27 10:32:43
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Rotary wrote:Schools in general are throwing common since out the window. My 5 year old nephew recently got in trouble for dancing in a unfit manor on the playground. He did a "pelvic thrust" and was sent to the office for it. It's sad that we have to govern these things at such a high level to enforce common sense.
Dude! Everybody knows it's "pelvic thrust" that really drives you insane.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/27 10:45:44
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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The fact that this exists... just wow...
It's been dead for a while, but the corpse of common sense has just had its arm ripped off by a wolf.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/27 20:15:01
Subject: Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Leigen_Zero wrote:I just wish you could get more than 2 flavours of poptarts in the UK
Seriously, we can only get chocolate or strawberry in the supermarkets
Strawberry poptarts are all you need.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/27 20:17:30
Subject: Re:Florida set to pass Pop Tart gun bill
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Grey Templar wrote:But has any parent ever complained and threatened to sue because they didn't like the kids playing cops and robbers on the playground?
I mean without immediately getting laughed out of the office
No, what they can threaten is discrimination "But that white kid didnt get sent home when he went Bang, but my son did when he brought a toy gun"
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