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hobojebus wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

This, so much. While I have the digital SoB codex I'd really like a physical copy. But noo, let's sell high-priced new stuff instead of supporting loyal fans that already waited years for something good.

I would not hold your breath they have been all but squated, two lacklustre codexes an ever shrinking range of models, and the ones you do have are way over priced.

It's sad because I like sisters, gw should either bring them back to life or stop torturing their fans, a half life isn't acceptable.

GW has claimed last year that they are trying to work on Sisters, but in the past casting problems held them back from releasing them in plastic (which tells me they have a very particular look they're going for that the are refusing to change). With things improving casting wise I think we stand a good chance of seeing a proper Sisters release this year or next.

Davor wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

This, so much. While I have the digital SoB codex I'd really like a physical copy. But noo, let's sell high-priced new stuff instead of supporting loyal fans that already waited years for something good.

Please show me where GW has FORCED you to buy the digital SoB book please. For someone who doesn't like GW way of doing things, you are still supporting them then.

Well if he does not buy the digital dex he cant use the army in 6th can he, the WD codex was done for 5th and no longer applies.

There is no printed dex so he can either shelve his army or HAS to buy the digital version.

My biggest complaint about over watch is that it should be more like fantasies charge reaction. No over watch if within movement distance aka 6 inches and can only over watch if in models front arc.

If I had to change something other than the obviously price drops is how deep striking works. One charging from deep striking should be allowed as well as from outflank. If you deep strike and land off the table edge you should come in from that spot next turn.

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Everything to do with Space Wolves.

Would that be the wolf lord the wolf claws canis wolf born or the wolf wolf gun wolf flying super dread wolf .

Exactly, dear wolf-claw-wolf!

Davor wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

This, so much. While I have the digital SoB codex I'd really like a physical copy. But noo, let's sell high-priced new stuff instead of supporting loyal fans that already waited years for something good.

Please show me where GW has FORCED you to buy the digital SoB book please. For someone who doesn't like GW way of doing things, you are still supporting them then.

I'm sorry, but no.

If we want to play our army, we have to buy the digital codex. That's how it works.

If we want to have any chance in hell of a hardcopy release, we have to get the digital so they know that people are still interested.

In addition, buying the digital SoB codex does not preclude disliking other releases. Especially when said other releases could reasonably have included Sisters rules, since we are also a Progena army, just like the Stormtroopers/Commissars.

That the fluff-mutilating riptide exists at all
The cost of devilifishes
heavy rail rifles instead of railguns.

Tau's sublight speed thing that keeps them from being a real proper threat bugs me actually when I think about it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, the "everyone can overwatch" thing is really annoying, especially since Tau has this habit of forming gun-lines. Add in Markerlights buffing Overwatch BS when they didn't last codex, is really annoying too.

On the other hand, aren't Markerlight tokens discarded after the end of the phase? Meaning if you want to use them for Overwatch a unit with MLs would have to be eligible to shoot/support and fire them as snap shots.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tau's sublight speed thing that keeps them from being a real proper threat bugs me actually when I think about it.

They do have FTL, it's just very slow* when compared to imperial FTL (although much safer). They also have NLS engines, so they might be faster than imerial ships when not in the warp.


*By a factor of five, canonically

Spetulhu wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, the "everyone can overwatch" thing is really annoying, especially since Tau has this habit of forming gun-lines. Add in Markerlights buffing Overwatch BS when they didn't last codex, is really annoying too.

On the other hand, aren't Markerlight tokens discarded after the end of the phase? Meaning if you want to use them for Overwatch a unit with MLs would have to be eligible to shoot/support and fire them as snap shots.

You can fire markerlights in overwatch first then allow the next unit to boost their BS, its complete bullcrap but nothing anywhere says you cant do it when charged.

hobojebus wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, the "everyone can overwatch" thing is really annoying, especially since Tau has this habit of forming gun-lines. Add in Markerlights buffing Overwatch BS when they didn't last codex, is really annoying too.

On the other hand, aren't Markerlight tokens discarded after the end of the phase? Meaning if you want to use them for Overwatch a unit with MLs would have to be eligible to shoot/support and fire them as snap shots.

You can fire markerlights in overwatch first then allow the next unit to boost their BS, its complete bullcrap but nothing anywhere says you cant do it when charged.

Worse actually, the rules specifically allow the use of them for Overwatch.

Davor wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

This, so much. While I have the digital SoB codex I'd really like a physical copy. But noo, let's sell high-priced new stuff instead of supporting loyal fans that already waited years for something good.

Please show me where GW has FORCED you to buy the digital SoB book please. For someone who doesn't like GW way of doing things, you are still supporting them then.

How does that even begin to make sense?
Um...if you want to play your army, you gotta have the dex. We like the game and want to play, but wish they'd do it better. Intiende hermano?
I too am a SOB player. Been so since 2nd when they first came out. I've been hearing "oh, they're working on plastic sisters" for many years now. I no longer believe it. GW rather do supplements about random groups that no one's ever heard of than work on one of their primary armies.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

GW has claimed last year that they are trying to work on Sisters, but in the past casting problems held them back from releasing them in plastic (which tells me they have a very particular look they're going for that the are refusing to change).

I think that's what they said about Squats right before they Squat'd them though. Although I'd love a less sexualized SoB model to be released, I might actually play them then.

To be fair, the current sculpts could be a lot worse on that front.

-The intentional extreme underpricing of the riptide to sell the model.

-Any company that takes the "don't ever talk to the customers" stance.

-Any non-broken lightly armored vehicle/walker being shelved all edtion.

-Tournaments having to be a grab-bag of rules and bans, with no real consistency. At the very least, they could come up with formats like "codex tournament: nothing outside your codex, full war: everything's in!" etc, somewhat like M:tg's formats.

-schizo rule: equidistant models taking wounds from shooting are randomized for which one dies first. The same situation in combat allows the controlling player to pick the model that dies first.

-during night fight, units that come with shrouded are hardest to hit at 12-24" away, and if they're 24-36" away, they may as well be right next to you.

-people on ebay never finish ANYTHING. Like every auction is "5 dudes, 1 painted, 1 partial, 1 primed, 2 on sprue" or something similar.

That my awesome terminator models are crazy too expensive for me to use them in games :(

 robam45 wrote:
I think that's what they said about Squats right before they Squat'd them though. Although I'd love a less sexualized SoB model to be released, I might actually play them then.

Outside of Repentia (who by the artwork should be -more- nude than they currently are), worst Sisters have going on at the moment is the oversized chest plate thing going on, which I agree needs to be toned down.

As for the possibility of Squatting them, the Squats didn't get up dated past 2nd. Sisters have now recieved a new ruleset in 4 of the 6 editions the game has been through (2,3,5,6), even though they haven't seen new models since 3rd there has been some effort in at least keeping their rules functioning (even if they nerfed Repentia, again). I just don't know, for a company that people claim is about to kill the army at any moment they seem to be doing a decent job of keeping it alive even if it isn't super popular.

Oh, and their codex sold so well on iTunes that for a while it was on iTunes current "bestsellers" list. I think that's enough evidence for GW that there is a desire from the community to see this army updated too.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
As for the possibility of Squatting them, the Squats didn't get up dated past 2nd. Sisters have now recieved a new ruleset in 4 of the 6 editions the game has been through (2,3,5,6), even though they haven't seen new models since 3rd there has been some effort in at least keeping their rules functioning (even if they nerfed Repentia, again). I just don't know, for a company that people claim is about to kill the army at any moment they seem to be doing a decent job of keeping it alive even if it isn't super popular.

Oh, and their codex sold so well on iTunes that for a while it was on iTunes current "bestsellers" list. I think that's enough evidence for GW that there is a desire from the community to see this army updated too.

Additionally, the stated reasons for the Squats being dropped and the Sisters not yet being updated are pretty different. With the Squats, the devs couldn't take them seriously and didn't know what to do with them as an army. With the Sisters, the only obstacle ever cited has been modelling issues. So they seem to see place for the Sisters in 40K, just that they haven't yet done a model update.

Also, it was iBooks that it got a bestsellers on. Sadly, ours is not a musical codex.

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
As for the possibility of Squatting them, the Squats didn't get up dated past 2nd. Sisters have now recieved a new ruleset in 4 of the 6 editions the game has been through (2,3,5,6), even though they haven't seen new models since 3rd there has been some effort in at least keeping their rules functioning (even if they nerfed Repentia, again). I just don't know, for a company that people claim is about to kill the army at any moment they seem to be doing a decent job of keeping it alive even if it isn't super popular.

Oh, and their codex sold so well on iTunes that for a while it was on iTunes current "bestsellers" list. I think that's enough evidence for GW that there is a desire from the community to see this army updated too.

Additionally, the stated reasons for the Squats being dropped and the Sisters not yet being updated are pretty different. With the Squats, the devs couldn't take them seriously and didn't know what to do with them as an army. With the Sisters, the only obstacle ever cited has been modelling issues. So they seem to see place for the Sisters in 40K, just that they haven't yet done a model update.

Also, it was iBooks that it got a bestsellers on. Sadly, ours is not a musical codex.

The Exorcists would beg to differ while it plays the 1812 Overture (which is traditionally played with CANNONS as the percussion section).

But yes, sorry, iBooks.

I sitll don't believe the modelling issue, what's so hard about sisters models that their high quality plastic hasn't already proven to be capable of?

 PrinceRaven wrote:
I sitll don't believe the modelling issue, what's so hard about sisters models that their high quality plastic hasn't already proven to be capable of?

Here is what Jes Goodwin had to say about it. He goes into detail in the first half of the interview.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
I sitll don't believe the modelling issue, what's so hard about sisters models that their high quality plastic hasn't already proven to be capable of?

While models are getting better (especially recently since they bought that smaller tooling they used for the Hobbit) the likely hood of seeing plastic Sisters has increased, but we need to remember that they didn't always have this kind of stuff. Because of that there were issues in the past on doing the models which may have finally been overcome.

Doesn't mean they'll just spit the army out though, even if there are models for them expanding the army to have the same kind of diversity the rest of the armies in the game will take some time and some creativity. Let's hope they pull it off, eh?

I'm pretty sure we already have plastic models with all of the details listed in that interview.

Just think of how popular a proper Sisters release would have been instead of Militarum Tempestus. It's almost like they're allergic to making lots of money.

I like random charge distance; it makes perfect sense both fluff and game wise. There's a million reasons why a unit may not have the impetus to charge an enemy. What I'd like to see however would be modifiers applied based on Ld an fearless etc.

Modifiers are definitely needed, there's lots of reasons a few Guardsmen mind hesitate to charge a Hive Tyrant or stumble on their way there, not so much the other way around.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
I'm pretty sure we already have plastic models with all of the details listed in that interview.

Hmm, I duuno. Y'see, a main problem cited was posable minis not being compatible with the arms robes that the Sisters have. Apparently the standard Sisters are allright, but the more dynamic models like Seraphim were hamstrung by it. From what I've seen, the majority of the other robed models get around this by either having less dynamic robes or being monopose. And reading the interview, I do get the impression that they're going for a quite particular look with the Sisters, and would perhaps rather keep the details cited in rather than overhaul the models too much.

But, as Zion said, could be that those issues are worked past by now, and they're still getting them ready or waiting for an opportune time to release them. We'll just have to wait and see.

 throwoff wrote:
Do you know what really grinds my gears?!

... lack of oiling?

Oh, got another one: Damned cheap scoring eldar jetbikes that can moves 48 inches in one turn and ignore all intervening terrain.

If the eldar player has the 2nd turn then to get the objective all he has to do is hide the whole game then turbo boost on the final turn. Covering the objective in models is the only way to stop them contesting/scoring it.

Howling Banshees being unplayable when everybody and their mother knew how easy it would be to fix them with a rewording of 'Acrobatics'.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
I think that's what they said about Squats right before they Squat'd them though. Although I'd love a less sexualized SoB model to be released, I might actually play them then.

Outside of Repentia (who by the artwork should be -more- nude than they currently are), worst Sisters have going on at the moment is the oversized chest plate thing going on, which I agree needs to be toned down.

It's not just the breasts, it's the perfect hourglass figure and general Barbie-doll like proportions. Not to mention no helmets. SoB just look way too much like GW wanted a "girl" chapter, not a real warrior woman.

I know the fluff says otherwise, I'm just talking about the model itself.