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But in all seriousness, I originally came to dakkadakka in search of tactical insight and little tips and tricks on how to make unit x work, and for a while it was possible to find these kind of things. Now, I have to wade through about 20 turds of whine and cheese to find some sort of decent post. All I ever seem to come across is "This sucks, this sucks, this sucks" or "GW sucks" or "Lame, no assault sucks". People seem unhappy here on the interwebz, but the moment I step into a *GASP* GamesWorkshop, the entire game becomes cool again. I can have a pickup match against just about anyone and the won't be bringing cheese. 2 riptides? Not cheese, he's not turning them into a deathstar. Daemons? Nope, flying circus is all you find in the way of cheese. Eldar??? Please, I have never seen serpent spam, unless you count 2 as spam.
The thing I'm tired of is the doom and gloom of these forums. It's not the game, it's the community, because it's just a game. Have fun, share your tips and tricks, don't be a trying to rain on other people's parades. We're all here because we like some sort of aspect about 40k.
Also, i dont see an issue with part of your post.
You want tactical advice on how to make a unit work well, but then you complain about cheese?
Cheese refers to an overly strong unit.
You wanted the unit working well, that was a way to do it.
Im sorry you are unhappy that people have given you an answer.
Now, im off to part the red sea or do something else just as amusing.
Good day sir
Psienesis wrote: You should try reading the Tactics forums, which is where you will find the content you're looking for.
Me, I come here for the discussions, the background fluff, the debates, the exchange of ideas.
But if this is your "I'm out" post? Don't let the door hit you in your sanctimonious rear armor.
Nah, not my last post. I still find the odd bit of useful info here and there, the best being the sob and nids megathreads, but I don't like how much poo I have to sift through to get it.
Kilkrazy wrote: You should check out Bolter & Chainsword. I understand that they are very pro-GW.
And anti-anythingwithoutpowerarmour.
Actually now they're just pro-Humanity. Anything human, be it Chaos or Loyalist is welcome, but you want to play some spaces elves then you need to GTFO.
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Jackal wrote: Banned from seer and B&C so i live on dakka.
Also, i dont see an issue with part of your post.
You want tactical advice on how to make a unit work well, but then you complain about cheese?
Cheese refers to an overly strong unit.
You wanted the unit working well, that was a way to do it.
Im sorry you are unhappy that people have given you an answer.
Now, im off to part the red sea or do something else just as amusing.
Good day sir
I just don't like all the beating on dead horses with the cheese. I already know what is cheesy, what I would like to know is why people are so negative about things that aren't cheese as well.
Aleph-Sama wrote:The thing I'm tired of is the doom and gloom of these forums.
Dakka was known as "the tournament forum" for a long time. As such, you're going to have a higher concentration here of people who want to take 40k seriously.
Said kinds of people are going into full-on crisis mode as GW purges them from the game. As such, dakka (and other forums filled with members that think that 40k is chess with different pieces) is undergoing an existential crisis.
MWHistorian wrote: Doesn't like how Dakka is all threads about complaints.
Starts a thread about a complaint.
Nah, just seeing if I can turn this ship a bit. I know it won't turn all the way around. I'm just asking for some decency. If you want to complain about something go ahead! But don't complain if people have been saying it for months now, AKA beating dead horses, preaching to the choir, etc, it jumbles the forum with stuff we've already heard!
People are negative about something thats not full of cheese because your asking how to make a unit better.
But you dont want cheese.
Its like asking how to make flashgitz worth the points.
The only real answer is that you cant.
Some units just arent even up for use in casual games without being a huge burden.
MWHistorian wrote: Doesn't like how Dakka is all threads about complaints.
Starts a thread about a complaint.
Nah, just seeing if I can turn this ship a bit. I know it won't turn all the way around. I'm just asking for some decency. If you want to complain about something go ahead! But don't complain if people have been saying it for months now, AKA beating dead horses, preaching to the choir, etc, it jumbles the forum with stuff we've already heard!
Alright King Canute, how you been?
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
What is the problem? Many of us have supported the game for many years and are increasingly tired of a company that pretty much gives the impression it just cares about fleecing people for money and not making an actual game. A lot of GW decisions over the past few years have literally flown in the face of every other business on the planet, while basic things remain broken (just look at how certain codexes haven't even had an update, but the "pet" armies get more and more models churned out that they don't need).
This isn't a "love it or leave it" situation, as much as that gets thrown around. Many of us "whiners" used to love GW and have some small bit of hope that the company will wake up and say "What the hell have we been doing all this time?!" and change course.
IMO it's the people who just go along with everything that are the real issue, because they are just conveying the message that this kind of sham is acceptable.
IMO it's the people who just go along with everything that are the real issue, because they are just conveying the message that this kind of sham is acceptable.
It is acceptable. They produce something all my friends and I enjoy doing once a week. So we buy their books when needed along with a few models sometimes. We pay them for their product we appreciate. Which is perfectly reasonable and I hope they continue. Just like most players who spend their money on GW.
Outside of the intertubes I've met plenty of awesome players, plenty of tournament types, plenty of d-bags, and plenty of people who have quit because of the d-bags - so just like everything else theres good and bad people playing this game
However whenever I enjoy a decent game of 40k, it is universlly in spite of the rules rather than because of them. Thats something that differentiates 40k from other wargames out there - that its really kinda crappy.
Its works as a place for all the triptide players and such to accumulate, so that they stay out of our other games. For that I'm very glad it exists
Well, i think OP is at least partially right. I came to Dakka full of enthusiasm and newbie flair...and it worked few weeks...and after that it was big cold shower.
For me, this time, only part of forum Im interested in is background. Tactics...sometimes. You know there is very, very annoying one tendency. There comes moment when, even in on topic discussion comes POT (Preacher of Truth) and begins bombing the thread like "yeah...it would work, if GW didnt gakked Nids...yeah that would be nice if CSM wasnt joke because of stupid GW...no, its completely unplayable, you simply cant play WH40K seriously now because GW isnt playtesting and you got stomped by Taudar/ Baron/ Flying Circus...no, you cant play Orcs, its unplayable..."
OK? I got it,you are not happy with current state...but for god sake, other people just want to play and are not interested in cycled whinning. And its same in Rumours/ News threads. Really, there isnt fun from anticipation of the new anymore. Its just frenetic bashing "How would GW make it wrong now" and after that making your own made up stories (with argument "hey, its rumour thread!") and using those invented stories like another fodder why is GW most evil structure in the world, why is WH40K doomed and, worst of all, why is anyone still playing it just fool who did not see The Truth.
Seriously, I dont care about GW, dont love them, dont hate them, they are producers and Im consumer. When I dont like product? I dont buy. But, Jesus, I wont to talk about game itself and not make some childish pro-GW, anti-GW summer camp armies. And if you wish to, dont stick it into everyones face just because you feel entitled.
So... Im not so frequent visitor of Dakka as I was (and not just Dakka) and actually talk about the game in FLGS and smaller forums. And just today I have read this article which describes what buggers my mind...in almost (almost) every way round WH40K. Internet echo chamber fanatism simply sucks.
Being optimistic´s worthless if it means ignoring the suffering of this world. Worse than worthless. It´s bloody evil.
- Fiddler
Harriticus wrote: It's GW's fault they've alienated their fanbase so badly and have rendered a game to be essentially unplayable in its current form.
Also go to the tactics and fluff sections if you want that.
This. Truthsayer stating the game is "essentially unplayable"...despite fact that still "few" people are still playing it and having fun and, to be honest, sorry, finding the game still well playable. Believe me, internet Doomsayers are just small fraction of fanbase from what I have seen in real playing.
And of course stating, its GW fault that there must always pop some Truthsayer stating "hey, its useless talk about it, its unplayable, because GW is evil" (but yeah, here you are on topic, I agree...just in hamfisted form)
Wel done mate, you've made good example.
Being optimistic´s worthless if it means ignoring the suffering of this world. Worse than worthless. It´s bloody evil.
- Fiddler
Harriticus wrote: It's GW's fault they've alienated their fanbase so badly and have rendered a game to be essentially unplayable in its current form.
Also go to the tactics and fluff sections if you want that.
This. Truthsayer stating the game is "essentially unplayable"...despite fact that still "few" people are still playing it and having fun and, to be honest, sorry, finding the game still well playable. Believe me, internet Doomsayers are just small fraction of fanbase from what I have seen in real playing.
And of course stating, its GW fault that there must always pop some Truthsayer stating "hey, its useless talk about it, its unplayable, because GW is evil" (but yeah, here you are on topic, I agree...just in hamfisted form)
Wel done mate, you've made good example.
"Denial" is more than just a big river flowing through Egypt....
Yes, you can play a game of 40k, but the amount of hoops you have to jump through (never mind the minefield that getting a random pickup game has become) with your opponent just to agree on what rules are allowed to be used "no escalation" "no formations" "no stronghold assault". Take your pick. Gone are the days when you could just walk into a store or club for a random pickup game and both you and your opponent would know exactly what the fething rules for the game were!
GW is releasing rules for the game faster than anyone can keep it. It's becoming a chore to keep up with what exactly is legal for this game. The wheels truly have come off the wagon, not to even mention the mess that 6th's rules are to begin with. 40k does not know what it wants to be. You have rules for orbital bombardments along with rules for individual types of close combat weapons depending on if you have an axe or sword. 40kWTF do you want to be? Apocalypse or Necromunda? You. Can't. Be. Both.
40k needs a reboot in the same way we had with 2nd to 3rd. I love the background to this universe and long for the days when we have a playable version of 40k again, no this hippy-dippy mess where strange allied armies that gak all over the background rule the roost due to GW not giving a flying feth about balance.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
motyak wrote: How many threads complaining about complaining are on the first page ok 40K discussions now? I mean honestly.
Not enough. Its a nice change
Because the way to fix it is to make sure everyone knows they have no right to complain, since they've already bought the product, right? Right? And to hammer on incessantly about how much everyone else is complaining. Because that's more logical than figuring out why they are complaining.
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
There's something else I've noticed as well, from a personal note. It could be nothing but a change in myself, but I have a hunch that my behavior is reactive to my environment.
And that change is Dakka's "ignore" feature. For all the time I'd been on dakka, I'd never used the ignore feature until a year and a half ago when I added one person. I didn't add my second until about 6 months ago. The reason was simple - most people who were on dakka would write good posts and bad posts, but either seemed to be having conversation in good faith, or they would show up and then quickly disappear.
Now, though, every other week I feel like I'm adding someone to the list. Someone who writes dozens and dozens of posts in a row with nothing but useless, angry drivel that seems to have nothing but degrading other people's experience of the game. Nothing but complaining, or vigorously refuting anyone who has the impudence of enjoying themselves.
The mud isn't getting thrown and then sliding off, it's people who are coming on and with an almost professional zeal dedicating themselves towards bad faith posting. The worst, and most curious, are people who complain about 40k or GW who don't even play 40k, or buy GW products anymore. They appear to want nothing more than to be bitter and angry and to make everyone else around them bitter and angry.
And so, at an accelerating pace, I'm finding I'm adding more people who can't ever seem to rise to the level of nice, pleasant, or useful to my ignore list. Which feels sad to me.
motyak wrote: How many threads complaining about complaining are on the first page ok 40K discussions now? I mean honestly.
Not enough. Its a nice change
Because the way to fix it is to make sure everyone knows they have no right to complain, since they've already bought the product, right? Right? And to hammer on incessantly about how much everyone else is complaining. Because that's more logical than figuring out why they are complaining.
I know why they are complaining. I see some of the same problems. But I dont think the amount of complaining is right for the problem. Let alone the fact that many just want to enjoy the game, which is kinda stupid really. Wanting something doesnt mean you can complain a great deal. Its simple to move on. You are simply a consumer, nothing more to companies. If you want to be more than a consumer, get a job with them or move on to a company that views you as such.
I think constructive moderate complaining is ok. I wish 40k had a better moral system. But if instead of complaining I play Flames of war which has a pretty decent moral system.
I just think there are better ways of voicing opinion, like moving on or writing a balanced lengthy review and then moving on. You slowed people seem to think that I want everyone to share my opinion and nothing more or less. Which is far from the case. Selective hearing (or reading) may be the cause I dont know. Just be productive. How all you complainers complain is not productive. Wasteful.
So instead of spending 20% of your life wishing to enjoy something thats clearly not for you (exaggeration) move on for a while. Some of you are as bad as those you tube comment lingerers who search out justin bieber videos and state how much better some other rubbish band is, because it makes you feel intelligent. (or something). It does nothing to promote your cause, does nothing to fix anything and just annoys people.
So I see no reason for people to continue. Because just like 10+ years ago, your complaints are the same, they fix nothing and rarely change opinions. Time to move on.
Nah, not my last post. I still find the odd bit of useful info here and there, the best being the sob and nids megathreads, but I don't like how much poo I have to sift through to get it.
Welcome to the internet.
There's lots of useful information ALL over the net (not just restricted to gaming fora) but you have to do an awful lot of selective crap filtering to sort the nuggets from the gems.
Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is the ability to figure out which parts can be used and what is just filler and background noise.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
trying to rain on other people's parades. We're all here because we like some sort of aspect about 
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