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It doesn't fit into their perception.

 Jihadin wrote:
It doesn't fit into their perception.

I love the ignorant redkneck comments. The ones making them couldn't keep up half a day with these guys.

Physical stamina doesn't make you any less redneck or ignorant though.

 d-usa wrote:
Physical stamina doesn't make you any less redneck or ignorant though.

I'm not talking just physical stamina. Most of guys each know mechanics, welding, botony, vetinary science, animal behavior and training, camping, enviornmental skills, construction, electronics, basic EMT skills, etc. It all comes with being a farmer or rancher.

But they apperantly also still think that a county sheriff has jurisdiction over federal land and agents and that feds have to leave if he says "go".

It's like knowing about one thing doesn't mean you know about other things...

 d-usa wrote:
But they apperantly also still think that a county sheriff has jurisdiction over federal land and agents and that feds have to leave if he says "go".

It's like knowing about one thing doesn't mean you know about other things...

The ignorant redkneck comment, as though these people just roll around in the mud with pigs though, shows just how uninformed and foolish the people making them look.

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
But they apperantly also still think that a county sheriff has jurisdiction over federal land and agents and that feds have to leave if he says "go".

It's like knowing about one thing doesn't mean you know about other things...

The ignorant redkneck comment, as though these people just roll around in the mud with pigs though, shows just how uninformed and foolish the people making them look.

The ingorant redneck comment, in regards to the situation at hand, shows just how uninformed and foolisn the people are making themselves look in regards to their suppord of Bundy.

They have shown that they are in fact ignorant of the law, and I'm guessing that they do have red necks

 d-usa wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
But they apperantly also still think that a county sheriff has jurisdiction over federal land and agents and that feds have to leave if he says "go".

It's like knowing about one thing doesn't mean you know about other things...

The ignorant redkneck comment, as though these people just roll around in the mud with pigs though, shows just how uninformed and foolish the people making them look.

The ingorant redneck comment, in regards to the situation at hand, shows just how uninformed and foolisn the people are making themselves look in regards to their suppord of Bundy.

They have shown that they are in fact ignorant of the law, and I'm guessing that they do have red necks

Can't deny that, in the middle of the desert there! A few hours hiking in that place turns my daughters pretty dark since they're part Seminole, but me, I look like a lobster, even with sunscreen.

Whoa.....that be a lot of "Rednecks" in OWS.

 Jihadin wrote:
Whoa.....that be a lot of "Rednecks" in OWS.

It's hard to get a good red on your neck in the shadows of the buildings downtown.

 d-usa wrote:
It's hard to get a good red on your neck in the shadows of the buildings downtown.

Tatooes, then man, red tatooes.

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It's hard to get a good red on your neck in the shadows of the buildings downtown.

Tatooes, then man, red tatooes.

I think they went with pepper spray, that probably gives you a nice red rash.

Don't. You know dang well Frazz be there with burrito's

 d-usa wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It's hard to get a good red on your neck in the shadows of the buildings downtown.

Tatooes, then man, red tatooes.

I think they went with pepper spray, that probably gives you a nice red rash.

The scofflaws deserved it!

Hmm.

The more I read of this it sounds more and more like this Bundy character is a real American. He's using land that does not belong to him. He refused to work with the "owners" of the land. The owners of the the land kill and steel stuff from the intuder. Now the intuder summons a militia to protect something that does not belong to him.

This sounds vaguely familiar, like the 16-1700 maybe?

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Physical stamina doesn't make you any less redneck or ignorant though.

I'm not talking just physical stamina. Most of guys each know mechanics, welding, botony, vetinary science, animal behavior and training, camping, enviornmental skills, construction, electronics, basic EMT skills, etc. It all comes with being a farmer or rancher.

Apparently not the law, though.

Is this the Myth of Rural Virtue thread?

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Physical stamina doesn't make you any less redneck or ignorant though.

I'm not talking just physical stamina. Most of guys each know mechanics, welding, botony, vetinary science, animal behavior and training, camping, enviornmental skills, construction, electronics, basic EMT skills, etc. It all comes with being a farmer or rancher.

Apparently not the law, though.

Is this the Myth of Rural Virtue thread?

This is the way it is for most hard core farmers and ranchers. They have to learn this stuff or they'd go broke paying for all of that.

The more I read of this it sounds more and more like this Bundy character is a real American. He's using land that does not belong to him. He refused to work with the "owners" of the land. The owners of the the land kill and steel stuff from the intuder. Now the intuder summons a militia to protect something that does not belong to him.

This sounds vaguely familiar, like the 16-1700 maybe?

Occupy Wall Street

Arson

Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
Occupy Portland - Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades

Assault/Threats

Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
Occupy Oakland – Death threats
Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted

Drugs/Dealing

Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp
Occupy Portland – “I get high“

Fraud

National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter

Illness/Death

Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreakx
Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak

Murder

Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

Public disturbance

Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside

Rape/Sexual Assault

Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

Sedition

Occupy DC – Let’s have a coup by taking over the military
Ted Rall wants occupiers to choose the path of violence
Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution

Suicide/Overdose

Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
Occupy Vancouver – Young woman dies of cocaine and heroine overdose
Occupy OKC – Young man with history of drug abuse found dead Theft
Occupy Portland – Theft is ongoing
Occupy Boston – Store owner suffers 4 break-ins since camp began

Vandalism

Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet
Occupy Portland – Two banks vandalized, promises of more to come
Occupy Oakland – Bank windows broken, Whole Foods vandalized, broken windows
Occupy Boston – Banks vandalized with anarchist, OWS graffiti
Occupy Portland – Spike in vandalism near camp
Occupy SF: ATMs being smeared with feces
Occupy Santa Fe: Banks vandalized with OWS-themed graffiti
Occupy San Diego – Vendors cart vandalized with bodily fluids
Occupy graffiti found on PA governor’s mansion

Throwing in

Camping over night in Federal Parks that are not meant to be
Protesting without license
Impeding traffic

If a couple donkey-caves in a large group makes the whole group criminal, then shouldn't we be thinking that all the people that showed up to support Bundy are also criminals?

Let the guy protest all he wants. I'm just pointing out the double standards.

 Jihadin wrote:
Let the guy protest all he wants. I'm just pointing out the double standards.

No, you're pointing out what YOU perceive to be double standards. What happened with OWS is ridiculous certainly, but let's not pretend that these two situations are really equivalent.

This whole Bundy thing is someone wrapping themselves up in the rhetoric of "patriot" groups to justify their nonsense.

 Kanluwen wrote:
What happened with OWS is ridiculous certainly, but let's not pretend that these two situations are really equivalent.

Packs of idiots who don't understand what they're combating making a mess for the sake of making a mess, in the belief it will effect some sort of change?

They sound pretty equivalent to me. Only one side was smart enough to bring guns.

 Seaward wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What happened with OWS is ridiculous certainly, but let's not pretend that these two situations are really equivalent.

Packs of idiots who don't understand what they're combating making a mess for the sake of making a mess, in the belief it will effect some sort of change?

They sound pretty equivalent to me. Only one side was smart enough to bring guns.

I don't think "smart enough to bring guns" is the term I would have used.

Kan. Did not OWS do the same thing to?

They held a protest. Cops busted a few yet POTUS and Democrats backed them.

This guy protest. Few get busted by Park Rangers. Bundy a Republican. Yet he is portrayed as the bad guy.

Edit

Park Rangers went hostile first. Video Ouze and Relapse posted showed Bundy side were armed with camera's. Rangers screwed the pooch royally

 Jihadin wrote:
Yet he is portrayed as the bad guy.

Becuase he is. OWS really doesn't factor into it as they are separate events. It is also possible to think OWS were a bunch of idiots and also think Bundy and his supporters are as well.

Well, no.

This guy did a 21-year legal process about his rights to the land, lost, then when the forces of law and order came to give effect the court's decision he protested.

I do not care if he is a bad guy or not I'm rooting for him because I want to see how far this go. I've a feeling he's going to win in the Public eye and hence the Courts are going to look at this with a different perception.

I believe he is going to be more effective then OWS.

You concede the point, though?

 Jihadin wrote:
Kan. Did not OWS do the same thing to?

Did not OWS do what same thing? Act like a bunch of goddamned hooligans? Yeah. They did.

They held a protest. Cops busted a few yet POTUS and Democrats backed them.

Yeah, and the initial protests were pretty laid back. As time wore on it DID get out of hand in most of the areas where the "tent cities" formed. I don't see why it's such a surprise that the POTUS and Democrats would back the idea behind the initial movement which was better regulation and supervision of Wall Street.


And before you and Relapse jump all over my ass, I'd like to point out that I was not very pleased with how OWS was handled. It was a mess with no central message, no real leadership, nothing that would justify its existence as a movement.

For all intents and purposes it was the Liberal version of the Tea Party.

This guy protest. Few get busted by Park Rangers. Bundy a Republican. Yet he is portrayed as the bad guy.

He's portrayed as the bad guy because he is the bad guy, Jihadin. I don't know how you can claim to be so well informed on this case and argue it as much as you have and not realize that his case has been heard by the courts, it went through appeals--and in both instances it was found wanting.

This really is just as simple as someone wrapping themselves up in rhetoric and getting the loonies behind them.

And what is really amusing though is that the Park Rangers which you've been so free with accusations of "brutality" have actually been really laid-back. Oh boohoo, someone got tazed after they kicked a police dog.
Remember what happened with some of the OWS protestors? People getting pepper sprayed from a few feet away, police getting really trigger happy with "rubber" rounds, deaths from baton injuries,etc. That is brutality.
Any of the militias or the Bundy clan out there claiming brutality need to buck the hell up.