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I am honestly surprised we aren't seeing more pewter to finecast for the heroes and lords, or even more new plastic kits......but maybe they werent expecting good sales from it, though I kind of see wood elves as the Tau of fantasy when it comes to release......everyone has been sitting around waiting for them to get an update before deciding to play them or not.

It's more likely that with GW phasing out Finecast they can afford to keep several pewter lines going because there is little point paying for new moulds if you're going to phase them out so soon. Especially on a model like that likely won't generate vast sales to justify the cost.

WE are the unpopular in an already smaller selling unit for GW. Granted part of that unpopular is the lack of update which has just been resolved; but even so they are unlikely to suddenly jump to marine level sales.

Were these limited release?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Battle-Magic-Wood-Elves

aclive wrote:
Were these limited release?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Battle-Magic-Wood-Elves

They usually are for every WHFB army.

Guessing so. Tried to preorder them and couldnt the day after preorders went up.


Huh, just noticed there are 16 cards. Guess each of the two lores gets 2 signature spells.

Pricing for the second wave on first post looks to be slightly off


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Reds8n

Wow, that bundle saves a fair amount, ~$93AUD or 25%

Too bad you'll probably never have use for 3 treemen and 36 dryads in any army.

See that's odd - GW army bundles (which have replaced the battle force/army forces) have generally been very attractive purchases for getting hold of a lot of core models. This WE one appears to be the total opposite. Sure it looks darn cool, but its also very situational and isn't really giving you a huge amount of the core of the army that you'll want.

Great savings, but really not great value unless you strangely want 3 Treemen.


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 Ehsteve wrote:
Wow, that bundle saves a fair amount, ~$93AUD or 25%

20%, not 25.

Well it's 39% off once you get it from a retailer. That's pretty impressive savings.

Granted the dwarf one is way, way better since you can pull down a 2.5k army easy with two of the box sets for less than $300. And not to far off that for the Dark Elf one that is nowhere to be found anymore. Which is weird since I thought they were supposed to be standard releases now but maybe it's just currently out of stock.

I9 have doine a 180 on the stag riders. I actually like them. I still think they could have made up something cooler than stag riders (owl bears rider, or something like that would have been much better), but they are pretty good mini in theyr own right

At least there's no dark elf witch treatment on those prices!
I'm loving this release more and more

I'm surprised the WE cards have sold out that fast - most of the other armies have lasted for ages before running out of stock.

 Overread wrote:
See that's odd - GW army bundles (which have replaced the battle force/army forces) have generally been very attractive purchases for getting hold of a lot of core models. This WE one appears to be the total opposite.

Well, Dryads are core, right?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Overread wrote:
See that's odd - GW army bundles (which have replaced the battle force/army forces) have generally been very attractive purchases for getting hold of a lot of core models. This WE one appears to be the total opposite.

Well, Dryads are core, right?

I think the point is more that Treemen are Lords/Rare choices as opposed to Core/Special/Heroes.

I may have to get a bitz order in once those Wild Riders have been out a while.. I am sensing huge potential for Dark Eldar conversions.. Those helmets would look great mefinks

 Krellnus wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Overread wrote:
See that's odd - GW army bundles (which have replaced the battle force/army forces) have generally been very attractive purchases for getting hold of a lot of core models. This WE one appears to be the total opposite.

Well, Dryads are core, right?

I think the point is more that Treemen are Lords/Rare choices as opposed to Core/Special/Heroes.

Exactly - you'd only need one box really and then you're done; even then you'd be less likely to want to spend that much starting out. A box with core archers, riders, dryads - something neat and a lord would be far more versatile. Something you'd want to buy to start the army off and then heck maybe buy twice to bulk it out. Then you'd be in a position where "yes, not only do I want 3 treemen, but I've also actually got the points in core troops to put them on the table"

Maybe Durthu as general makes other treemen special or something, so you can do an entirely tree-spirit army from the book. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new 'elf only' bundle as well in week 3 perhaps..

pgmason wrote:
Maybe Durthu as general makes other treemen special or something, so you can do an entirely tree-spirit army from the book.

Yeah maybe, otherwise the box doesn't make a lot of sense as you can't even have 3 Treeman until, what, 2200-2300pts? Even if Durthu shifts them to Special, you'll still be looking at around 1500pts before you can take 3.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a new 'elf only' bundle as well in week 3 perhaps..

Yeah perhaps. I always like to see new bundles.

You could do 2 lords/1 rare or 1 lord/2 rare to spread the points out and, depending on actual cost, probably fit 3 into an army at ~2,000 points.

I do agree it's strange to see a Wood Elf Army Box with no actual Elves though. I suspect you're looking at a new incarnation of the previous "Forest Spirits only" army though.

Also still kind of shocked that there are no new Tree Kin models. The major visual discrepancy between Treemen/Treemen Ancients/Durthu and Tree Kin is going to be a little eye gouging.

Well assuming the points cost don't change much, 2 Treemen are over 500pts, so even if you put 1 in Lords, you can't fit all 3 in to an army of less than about 2300pts.

If taking Durthu moves them to Special, I'm assuming Durthu will cost 300-400pts (current Treeman Ancient is 325), so that drops them to about 1500-1600pt minimum army to take all 3.

We'll just have to wait and see, it just seems like an odd move to make a boxed set you can't even use except in reasonably large games.

 streamdragon wrote:
You could do 2 lords/1 rare or 1 lord/2 rare to spread the points out and, depending on actual cost, probably fit 3 into an army at ~2,000 points.

Durthu is a Lord per WD, but from what is discussed in WD it seems like the Treeman Ancient is a Hero choice rather than a Lord choice...and it also kind of seems like Treemen might be a "unit" Rare choice, where you purchase them separately like Bolt Throwers.

I do agree it's strange to see a Wood Elf Army Box with no actual Elves though. I suspect you're looking at a new incarnation of the previous "Forest Spirits only" army though.

I think it might have something to do with the amount of plastic models they have available...including some kind of generic character choice.

Week 3 might have an Elf army box if there is a plastic Spellsinger model of some kind.

Also still kind of shocked that there are no new Tree Kin models. The major visual discrepancy between Treemen/Treemen Ancients/Durthu and Tree Kin is going to be a little eye gouging.

Treekin might be gone, so that might be why.

Man i love what they have done, but i think they really missed the boat on marketing. Lets face it this is one of the biggest Armies GW can re-release. Im shocked to not see plastic Orion or more characters, Tree kin, waywatchers, war dancers, warhawk riders, eagles...

Does this mean with finecast failing they are resorting back to puter? Or they have such an overstock of metal models, they want to sell them all first.

Either way I like the release, just figured GW wsho is always accused of being greedy could of made more models for this release. Dark Elves for 9 boxs/characters. Im counting 5 for wood elves...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Well assuming the points cost don't change much, 2 Treemen are over 500pts, so even if you put 1 in Lords, you can't fit all 3 in to an army of less than about 2300pts.

If taking Durthu moves them to Special, I'm assuming Durthu will cost 300-400pts (current Treeman Ancient is 325), so that drops them to about 1500-1600pt minimum army to take all 3.

We'll just have to wait and see, it just seems like an odd move to make a boxed set you can't even use except in reasonably large games.

Durthu is 385 per WD.


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Tsilber wrote:
Man i love what they have done, but i think they really missed the boat on marketing. Lets face it this is one of the biggest Armies GW can re-release. Im shocked to not see plastic Orion or more characters, Tree kin, waywatchers, war dancers, warhawk riders, eagles...

Does this mean with finecast failing they are resorting back to puter? Or they have such an overstock of metal models, they want to sell them all first.

Either way I like the release, just figured GW who is always accused of being greedy could of made more models for this release. Dark Elves for 9 boxs/characters. Im counting 5 for wood elves...

It means they have such an overstock of metal models.

In regards to Dark Elves v. Wood Elves:
Dark Elves had a lot of stuff that was still metal/Finecast...but they also had a few plastic kits that were really showing their age.

With Wood Elves, they actually did not have a huge amount of units to begin with and their plastic Core choices, while getting long in the tooth, are still gorgeous models.

Your telling me GW would not of made more money If they released even half of these following kits as plastic? Appose to keeping the old metal.

1) Orion
2) Spellsinger
3) Wardancers
4) Waywatchers
5) Tree kin
6) Warhawk riders
7) Lord or Hero on Dragon or Giant hawk/bird
8) Eagles

Just wondering

There's still time for new releases, so please bear that in mind.

As it stands, I think we'll see a Forest Dragon kit(with multiple hero options like a Noble, a Spellsinger, or the Twins) and a plastic Spellsinger at least.

Maybe plastic Orion, but I doubt it because that model is again still gorgeous.

And the odds of making the money back for the plastic mold on a single special character for a low popularity army is pretty much zero. I wouldn't count on Orion.

I would count on a plastic spell seer but I'm not sure on the dragon. Dwarves had 3 weeks worth of model releases, I think DE did. So we're likely to see something else still.

The current Forest Dragon is a metal/plastic hybrid.

That's a big no no in GW's eyes.

Can't they just re-use the high-elf dragon. That would save them having to do a forest dragon (and far as I know most WE players were using the plastic kit anyway). Granted the riders could do with looking more WE like and less HE like. A shame that rider and dragon are on the same sprue (if memory serves me right) since that means a whole new mould if htey want to do a special WE one - otherwise they could have used the same dragon sprue and just done a WE character mount.

 Kanluwen wrote:
With Wood Elves, they actually did not have a huge amount of units to begin with and their plastic Core choices, while getting long in the tooth, are still gorgeous models.

I think the Dryads are reasonably good models, but the old plastic WE came out before GW had figured out how to do decent plastic cloaks. As such, the Glade Riders and especially Glade Guard look very "meh". The cloaks just don't flow well and look quite unnatural.