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 mk2 wrote:
Can blobs still take axes? I am sorry in advance if this was covered , I could not read entire thread.

They sure can, and combined with priests and rad grenades from an inquisitor and they get seriously dumb.

 Trickstick wrote:

 themonk wrote:
I'd like to run COL Schaeffers Last Chancers as close to the fluff as possible. Schaeffer's specialists are as follows: a missile launcher girl, a heavy bolter gunner (Harker?), a melta-gunner, a sniper, and a demolitions expert. COL Schaffer will be company/regimental commander.

Will the vet squad be the way to go?

Veteran squad with Harker, sniper, missile launcher, melta, demo doctrine, vox (you forgot Brains!), Schaffer himself is best done with a Lord Commissar, carapace, plasma pistol and power sword.

Very nice. Hadn't thought about the commissar but it makes complete sense. Thanks!

Yarrick got a nice buff (and point reduction to go with it) but has some genuinely screwed up rules. He has a warlord trait, special ability A that prevents you from being the warlord if any model has special ability B, and special ability B.

 Lansirill wrote:
Yarrick got a nice buff (and point reduction to go with it) but has some genuinely screwed up rules. He has a warlord trait, special ability A that prevents you from being the warlord if any model has special ability B, and special ability B.

Isn't it "any other model has ability B"? At least I assumed it was from what I had heard about it.

Do vets require a standard platoon? Can you field an all-vet army?

What about my special characters?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Do vets require a standard platoon? Can you field an all-vet army?

Yup, they are still their own troop choice.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Do vets require a standard platoon? Can you field an all-vet army?

Yup, they are still their own troop choice.

w00t! Seems my Tallarn won't need a drastic re-do then!

And just saying, 50 conscripts + priest, good luck shifting that.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:
Yarrick got a nice buff (and point reduction to go with it) but has some genuinely screwed up rules. He has a warlord trait, special ability A that prevents you from being the warlord if any model has special ability B, and special ability B.

Isn't it "any other model has ability B"? At least I assumed it was from what I had heard about it.

No, it's any model. Of course it also says 'A Lord Commissar' not 'This model', so I think Yarrick slips past that one. Yeesh.

Full text, since I brought it up:

Chain of Command (Lord Commissar only): A Lord Commissar may only be your Warlord if you have no models with the Senior Officer special rule in your primary detachment.

lilgammer123 wrote:
What about my special characters?

We had a few good men go MIA in the update assumed KIA.
Chenkov
Al'Rahem
Sly Marbo
Bastonne
These men will be forever remembered as shining examples of Imperial duty, honor, and bravery, they stand now with the Emperor.
And Harker suffered wounds that have left him incapable of stealth ops.

How much cheaper are the heavy weapons teams?

Also what else besides characters have gone mia?

You state in the OP "Enginseers, still the same, cheaper." - does that mean they still have the moronic restriction that only two Servitors can be upgraded to carry heavy weapons? Or can all five now upgrade? In either case, have the points cost for said heavy weapon upgrades changed or is it still 20 for HB, 30 for PC/MM?

Gomericus wrote:
How much cheaper are the heavy weapons teams?

Also what else besides characters have gone mia?

The Medusa, Colossus and Griffon.

Gomericus wrote:
How much cheaper are the heavy weapons teams?

Also what else besides characters have gone mia?

Start at 45 with nothing, then pay the normal prices for heavy weapons. Actually scratch that, its exactly the same I just did the comparison with the old book.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
You state in the OP "Enginseers, still the same, cheaper." - does that mean they still have the moronic restriction that only two Servitors can be upgraded to carry heavy weapons? Or can all five now upgrade? In either case, have the points cost for said heavy weapon upgrades changed or is it still 20 for HB, 30 for PC/MM?

Still can only take 2 heavy weapons with servitors out of the 5 you can take, HB/MM is 10, Plasma cannon is 15.

He did gain a cool ability that if he forgoes shooting a vehicle within 12" has power of the machine spirit.

What about ccs boby guards?

Gomericus wrote:
What about ccs boby guards?

Gone, although Nork looks interesting. Still expensive, but a Nork/Straken squad with priests and inquisitors could be very painful.

Are heavy weapon squads still ludicrously fragile? Can squad Sgts take lasguns again?

 Palindrome wrote:
Are heavy weapon squads still ludicrously fragile? Can squad Sgts take lasguns again?

Pretty fragile, yes. Sgts don't get lasguns, but they can buy boltguns if you want.

How about those fire barrels? New items?

So this codex is of no interst to me then. Well done GW

 Palindrome wrote:
So this codex is of no interst to me then. Well done GW

Well you could work around the Sgt lasgun thing, just say they get artificer lasguns and use the boltgun stats or something. You need to roll different coloured dice for them anyway, as they can precision shot. The HWT are a pain, true, but they can be worked with. They are really fragile but can dish out a lot of fire for their points, especially with divination, the new orders and the ability to put cheap commissars in them to buff LD.

On the other hand, A dkok update may give you exactly the sort of thing you want. I know they have lasguns for SGTs, and I remember they used to get HWSs that could combine with infantry squads (although I think they lost this last update).

I see Yarrick and Harker. Could you tell me about the other special characters? Special characters are my go-to section of a new codex, and I've heard some distressing things about this one. I'd love to have some resolution on that front.

Pask - A pretty decent yet expensive upgrade. People are saying great with punisher, too short a range for me though.

Creed - Super commander. Two warlord traits, order rerolls, extra order.

Kell - Bodyguard with banner.

Straken - MC with a combat boosting aura.

Nork - Super bodyguard.

I could have gone really detailed, but I thought you would just want a (very) brief overview of each.

Are the heavy weapon and special weapon teams still 6 man or are they now 10 man squads with filler standard troopers? Also did they get the ability to take a vox?

6 man, no vox. You can attach cheap commissars to them though.

 Trickstick wrote:

Straken - MC with a combat boosting aura.

Do you mean he's a Monstrous Creature? That would be a huge change... I have to be misunderstanding...

Can the Priest boost allied Independent Character (battle brothers)?

damn loyalists...

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

Straken - MC with a combat boosting aura.

Do you mean he's a Monstrous Creature? That would be a huge change... I have to be misunderstanding...

Sorry, I meant that he acts similar to one in certain ways. He has S6, 3+ and can smash. Can do some serious damage.

So is there any word on whether or not we can expect IG dataslates with the missing special characters? (Specifically Chenkov!)