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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 21:35:50
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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I have never been able to kill any one of these i run a sm army here is what i have
1caption with pistol and sword
1command squad with pistol and swords (i built this back at the end of 5 ed when you could attack out of a razor back)
3 Tac squads with flamers and ml sg have bolters
1tac squad with melta and mulit melta in drop pod sarg has combi melta
Dread with assualt cannon and heavy flamer in drop pod
2Dreads with las cannon and ml
1dev squad with 3ml and las cannon
1Pred with just las cannon main gun no side guns( got it off ebay likely that)
1Ten man tac termy squad with assualt cannon and ml
Is any thing in my list able to bring them down . Not shure what to buy to help i don't to get any more tanks etc. because there very weak this ed and don't last past turn 3 . i don't no if i should get flyers because it will be cheesy as flyers are so op . Is there really any thing i can do about them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:04:32
Subject: Re:how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Douglas Bader
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:28:58
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You couldn't assault out of a razorback in 5th.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:31:14
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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[MOD]
Not as Good as a Minion
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Byte wrote:You couldn't assault out of a razorback in 5th.
Even if it hadn't moved? I thought if it was stationary, you could have.
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:53:39
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Fixture of Dakka
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Wraithknights are either stuck with a 3+ armour or overpriced with a termie invul so the devs and dreads should do enough damage.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:58:48
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Use the GW counter:
Buy the new expensive stuff to counter your friend's new expensive stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 23:52:58
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Sigvatr wrote:Use the GW counter:
Buy the new expensive stuff to counter your friend's new expensive stuff.
QFT
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I do drugs.
Mostly Plastic Crack, but I do dabble in Cardboard Cocaine. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 00:33:31
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Dakka Veteran
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Just really chessy that i have to use escalation to stand a chance any more. i guess 40k is just a arms race. good by to fun causal games. now its waac our your not doing it right
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 01:31:02
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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You have to make the loudest pew pew noises out of everyone in the store.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 02:09:15
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Don't underestimate THE OTHER GUYS GREED!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 05:06:14
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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zilka86 wrote:Just really chessy that i have to use escalation to stand a chance any more. i guess 40k is just a arms race. good by to fun causal games. now its waac our your not doing it right
There is no such thing as WAAC. Just some players can do math and statistics, and others can't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 05:58:12
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Dakka Veteran
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Sigvatr wrote:Use the GW counter:
Buy the new expensive stuff to counter your friend's new expensive stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 11:06:06
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Fixture of Dakka
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Martel732 wrote:zilka86 wrote:Just really chessy that i have to use escalation to stand a chance any more. i guess 40k is just a arms race. good by to fun causal games. now its waac our your not doing it right
There is no such thing as WAAC. Just some players can do math and statistics, and others can't.
WAAC usually refers to outright cheating and bad sportsmanship to pull a win.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 11:23:26
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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So let me get this straight
Flyers = Cheesey/ OP
Wraithknights/Riptides/Imperial Knights =/= cheessey/ OP?
Beyond that
Centurion Devistators with grav cannons
Bikes with Grav guns
Your very own imperial knight(s)
Sternguard with Combi-melta/plasma
Allied SW rune priest (for Riptides anyway, but won't hurt with the other guys either)
As for your list I mean
Dreads + Devs + Tacticals might do ok against Wraithknights and Imperial Knights, but not riptides really. Automatically Appended Next Post: zilka86 wrote:Just really chessy that i have to use escalation to stand a chance any more. i guess 40k is just a arms race. good by to fun causal games. now its waac our your not doing it right
You don't need escalation, but you are correct in so far as the balance is so terrible that you cannot just show up with any old thing and expect to be able to get a fun game. Without a discussion people will tell you to have which ammounts to you telling people that you won't play against their cheesey OP models. So they cannot use their IK, WK, or Riptide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 11:59:42
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kain wrote:Martel732 wrote:zilka86 wrote:Just really chessy that i have to use escalation to stand a chance any more. i guess 40k is just a arms race. good by to fun causal games. now its waac our your not doing it right
There is no such thing as WAAC. Just some players can do math and statistics, and others can't.
WAAC usually refers to outright cheating and bad sportsmanship to pull a win.
No, WAAC does not mean cheating. WAAC refers to being a bad sportsman and trying to bend (not break!) the rules as much in your favor as possible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 12:31:20
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
The Eye of Terror
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flyers are not op you just need the weapons to deal with them, just thought I would put that out there. with the exception of the heldrake most flyers have fairly basic weaponry. it should also be noted that heldrake is crap when fighting any other reasonably armoured flyer.
if you want a nice fix quick, storm wing... GW I think still sells this as a box set with a storm raven and 2 storm talons.
imperial knight
can only use its shields from one direction, fly the raven into his face and the talons fly over his head. turret mounted assault cannons can turn and fire backwards allowing the talons to shoot into his vulnerable back while the raven can pummel his face. this will cripple/kill the knight. cruellest part abut this is that the knight cannot retaliate due to blast weapons not affecting flyers. and inability to hit them with his sword.
wraithknight.
assault cannons have rending...nuff said you have 12 twin linked shots not counting any other weapons that your wing maybe packing. knight weapons are powerful, but often only single shot or blast.
Riptide
the toughest due to tau interceptor fire and skyfire access, but also the softest of the 3 targets use the raven to drop a dreadnought into melee range. XD aside from that the ion accelerators only non blast mode shoots 3 times and only hits a S7, AV12 should defend you YMMV
storm wing, all the flyer you will ever need.
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CSM Zenmarine Warband from assorted tratiors and heritics
DARK ANGELS woo woot
the way to win is not to make a grand masterplan, its by making sure your opponents grand masterplan fails |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 12:55:18
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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Sigvatr wrote: Kain wrote:Martel732 wrote:zilka86 wrote:Just really chessy that i have to use escalation to stand a chance any more. i guess 40k is just a arms race. good by to fun causal games. now its waac our your not doing it right
There is no such thing as WAAC. Just some players can do math and statistics, and others can't.
WAAC usually refers to outright cheating and bad sportsmanship to pull a win.
No, WAAC does not mean cheating. WAAC refers to being a bad sportsman and trying to bend (not break!) the rules as much in your favor as possible.
Win At All Costs. All costs. All.
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"The Emporer is a rouge trader."
- Charlie Chaplain. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 12:59:10
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Regular Dakkanaut
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the dreadknought will likely not win the CC facing the riptide.
When charging it will have 3 attacks so 2 hits, lets say 2 wounds, but then usually you will have a 3++ and FnP so lets say half a wound done.
He will then likely smash with 2 attacks and if he hits will have a decent chance of at the least doing a penetrating, at best destroying you.
You would need in average about 8-10 rounds of CC to kill a riptide, he will need 4-5 to kill you
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 13:06:16
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thud wrote: Sigvatr wrote: Kain wrote:Martel732 wrote:zilka86 wrote:Just really chessy that i have to use escalation to stand a chance any more. i guess 40k is just a arms race. good by to fun causal games. now its waac our your not doing it right
There is no such thing as WAAC. Just some players can do math and statistics, and others can't.
WAAC usually refers to outright cheating and bad sportsmanship to pull a win.
No, WAAC does not mean cheating. WAAC refers to being a bad sportsman and trying to bend (not break!) the rules as much in your favor as possible.
Win At All Costs. All costs. All.
Still did not find pieces of dogs in dog food.
You can only "win" if you play a game, breaking the rules means you are not playing the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 13:32:23
Subject: Re:how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Krazy Grot Kutta Driva
Littleton
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I find Focus fire on them works well also. If you get lucky and the riptide players brings drones all you have to do is kill one of them and he is rolling for moral. With my ork army I just blast him with lootas and big guns. 45 shots needed 5-6 to hit is about 15-20 hits they need 3 or better to wound so about 10-15 wounds. Then my kannons 6 shots needing 4 or better so 3-4 they need 2 or better to wound so 3 wounds. That usually does it YMMV
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 13:33:05
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you can find some way to work in a bunch of lascannons that would do it for all of those targets. The problem is you are still built for missile launchers which are not going to cut it this edition, especially with the points increase.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 13:35:13
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
The Eye of Terror
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sleekid wrote:the dreadknought will likely not win the CC facing the riptide.
When charging it will have 3 attacks so 2 hits, lets say 2 wounds, but then usually you will have a 3++ and FnP so lets say half a wound done.
He will then likely smash with 2 attacks and if he hits will have a decent chance of at the least doing a penetrating, at best destroying you.
You would need in average about 8-10 rounds of CC to kill a riptide, he will need 4-5 to kill you
If it has fnp it didn't have skyfire so raven will be attacking with little opposition from the riptide. Nova charging for a 3++ is risky and often hurts the riptide. Also smashes against a venerable dread require a 5+ to hit. While a dread is unlikely to outright kill one in combination with shooting I'd say it has a fairly good chance of knocking off most of its wounds and winning combat. Then you can sweep the riptide as it flees. Which it will do due to bad Ld
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CSM Zenmarine Warband from assorted tratiors and heritics
DARK ANGELS woo woot
the way to win is not to make a grand masterplan, its by making sure your opponents grand masterplan fails |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 13:40:01
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Las Cannons. Lots of Las Cannons...
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I like to say I have two armies: Necrons, and Imperium.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 14:23:36
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Regular Dakkanaut
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really lots of lascanons then.
On average you need about 19 lascanon hits to kill a riptide with 3++ and FnP.
It may depend on meta but all the riptides i face have interceptor and FnP instead of skyfire (usually AA is done by skyray/broadsides)
Nova charging for 3++ when you have FnP is ok as it increases so much the suvivability...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 16:12:17
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Dakka Veteran
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So there really no good wayto deal with any of them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 16:14:02
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes there is. Bring D weapons. Escalation allows for D weapons to be used in regular 40k. If you don't have those, buy or properly proxy some. You can't just expect to counter everything with anything you randomly bought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 16:23:42
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
Grand Rapids Metro
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Sigvatr wrote:Use the GW counter:
Buy the new expensive stuff to counter your friend's new expensive stuff.
So you want to have a money fight eh?
You're not going to be able to handle my Jeffersons!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 16:24:40
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Sigvatr wrote:
Yes there is. Bring D weapons. Escalation allows for D weapons to be used in regular 40k.
If you don't have those, buy or properly proxy some. You can't just expect to counter everything with anything you randomly bought.
Yeah, you can't just expect to win by playing with models you want to play with. You have to go out and buy the rulebooks that GW wants you to buy and the model kits that they want you to use and then you can win for 6 months until the new FOTM comes in, and then rinse and repeat.
This is 40k, this isn't some kind of game where you can just play with your models. Throw them all out and buy the new superkits! Look how shiny they are!
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Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 16:25:45
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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ductvader wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Use the GW counter: Buy the new expensive stuff to counter your friend's new expensive stuff. So you want to have a money fight eh? You're not going to be able to handle my Jeffersons! It's not what I want, it's what 40k has become. I still run a list with no flyers or Transcendant "I win" C'tan and the last GW thing I bought was in October '13. Sadly, though, 40k is all about "Who can throw more money at me?" nowadays on a comp level. The entire escalation release's only aim is to sell you D weapons...conveniently placed on expensive models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/18 16:31:34
Subject: how does one deal with riptided writhknights and knight titans
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So causal 40k is dead
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