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2014/04/21 22:16:03
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Everyone a few days ago there was a post started by someone who was asking if the traitor legion primarchs should be forgiven for their actions. I wanted to elaborate on this topic into a bigger general one and im hoping those black library readers have the time to detail some of the facts who someone like me seems to lack.
I would of wanted a simple answering structure from what you currently know about the original primarchs and some of the mythical fluff ones where you label the number of the pimarchs legion/name and legion name (before and after they were turned). All the details possible how they died or who killed them including the unknown or missing ones.
Hope to have a good read of some of your replies very soon
Only through chaos can peace be obtained,
Destruction is our future but we shall not fall from it, We will rise up stronger than ever before and stand together united as one,
2014/04/21 22:18:50
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
VII Legion - Imperial Fists - Dorn - Unknow to be dead or alive, but presumed dead. They only found his hands.
X Legion - Iron Hands - Ferus Manus - Killed by Fulgrim and the Laer blade (Beheaded right?).
I Legion - Dark Angels - Lion El'Jonson - Mortally wounded by Luther. Put into the Rock in stasis. Luther imprisoned deep inside the Rock to. So yeah they're both inside of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Johnson
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Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
I Legion. Sleeping in The Rock. Ready to be awaken.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2014/04/21 22:36:56
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
I - Lion El'Jonson - Alive, sleeping on the Rock.
II - Unknown - Any more inquiries will be dealt with by the Inquisition.
III - Fulgrim - Daemon Prince
IV - Perturabo - Daemon Prince
V - Jaghatai Khan - Last seen running around the Webway
VI - Leman Russ - last seen at a bar in Eye of Terror. Presumably still drinking.
VII - Rogal Dorn - Presumed dead during a Black Crusade
VIII - Konrad Curze - Assasinated by a Callidus assassin
IX - Sanguinius - Killed by Horus
X - Ferrus Manus - Killed by Fulgrim
XI - Unknown - Any more inquiries will be dealt with by the Inquisition.
XII - Angron - Daemon Prince
XIII - Roboute Guiliman - Moratlly wounded, in stasis, "healing"
XIV - Mortarion - Daemon Prince
XV - Magnus the Red - Daemon Prince
XVI - Horus Lupercal - body and spirit annihilated by the Emperor
XVII - Lorgar Aurelian - Damon Prince
XVIII - Vulkan - MIA
XIX - Corvus Corax - Last seen heading for the Eye of Terror (presumably to pull Russ' drunk rear out of the bar).
XX - Alpharius Omegon - One might be dead. But this is Alpha Legion, where everyone is Alpharius so who really knows.
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia
2014/04/21 22:40:21
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
They didn't all meet their end. Look it up on Lexicanum or the Warhammer Wiki if you really need the full scoop, I can't be bothered to describe 'em all.
I recall the surviving heretical primarchs became demon princes. I would personally classify that as 'A fate worse than death'.
Lion El'Jonson is alive. He's taking a nap but evidence suggests to me that he's just doing that to extend his lifespan, and he's able to wake up and go kickass with his Green Friends when he's really needed. He's probably waiting for something super-important to happen before waking up.
Everyone thinks Roboute Guiliman is slowly healing, but that's because they're a bunch of mystical dummies. As long as he's trapped inside a stasis field, he's experiencing tremendous pain. So I guess Roboute is still 'alive', but he's been in ball-crushing agony for the last 10,000 years and as soon as the stasis field goes away he'll die.
Leman Russ randomly decided to take a vacation into the Eye of Terror. You might think he's dead, but consider it like this: a lousy friggin' Grey Knight Terminator (Draigo) has managed to survive inside the Eye of Terror. A Primarch is far more kickass than any Grey Knight, and so I'm sure Russ is all right. Russ was also the only primarch who ever had an official non-forgeworld miniature made of him. Russ is awesome.
When the Empire starts really falling apart The Lion and Russ will suddenly appear, team up, and kickass across the galaxy. It's been forseen.
2014/04/21 22:59:27
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Mysterious Pants - Russ is more than alright. He went into the Eye, entered the bar he saw and has been drinking ever since. Due to his refusal to leave (and as a Primarch he is kickass enough that the Daemon proprietors can't (or won't) kick him out), Corax went in to pull him out.
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia
2014/04/21 23:04:26
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Happyjew wrote: Mysterious Pants - Russ is more than alright. He went into the Eye, entered the bar he saw and has been drinking ever since. Due to his refusal to leave (and as a Primarch he is kickass enough that the Daemon proprietors can't (or won't) kick him out), Corax went in to pull him out.
Damn straight.
All the smart Primarchs went scarce right after the heresy, so that they could be around for the big schbang at the end times. The ones that lingered around doing stuff wound up killed in surprisingly stupid ways.
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2014/04/21 23:08:45
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Leman Russ left Fenris for one last "hurrah", feeling that the end of his mortal life was drawing nigh, and telling the Space Wolves that he'd be back for the Wolf Time.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2014/04/22 01:37:23
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Led by Luther, the man who raised Jonson after he was found on Caliban, the Dark Angels left behind on Caliban by Jonson rebelled against him during the Heresy. Jonson fought the traitors in a climactic battle and duelled against Luther himself. Luther mortally wounded Jonson, but at that moment he realised that he had been deceived and how far he had fallen. The Chaos Gods, realising they had lost, sent a Warp Storm that tore Caliban apart. Luther was imprisoned by the Dark Angels, but Jonson seemed to have dissapeared. Unknown to the Dark Angels however, Jonson survived and lies in stasis in the heart of the Rock.
II.
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RECORDS EXPUNGED
III. Fulgrim, Emperor's Children.
Spoiler:
Together with his brother Perturabo, Fulgrim set out to find the Angel Exterminatus, a weapon that could tip the balance of the Heresy in Horus' favour, on the Eldar crone world of Iydris. There, Fulgrim revealed that the Angel Exterminatus did not exist, but that he himself was to become such a weapon by achieving deamonhood. Perturabo attempted to attack Fulgrim, but Fulgrim used a trick to drain him of his power. However, as Fulgrim neared the completion of his ritual, he was interrupted by attacking Salamanders, Iron Hands and Raven Guard, who had followed Fulgrim in search of vengeance for the Drop Site Massacre. During the battle, the loyalist Astartes destroyed the device that Fulgrim used to keep Perturabo in check, and Perturabo struck down Fulgrim with his thunder hammer; destroying Fulgrim's body. However, Fulgrim achieved deamonhood and was reborn as a deamon prince of Slaanesh.
IV. Perturabo, Iron Warriors.
Spoiler:
After the Heresy, Perturabo set up an ambush for the surviving Imperial Fists, with whom the Iron Warriors had a fierce, hateful rivalry. The trap was known as the Eternal Fortress. The Imperial Fists, wanting to capture Perturabo, fell for this trap and assaulted the fortress. However, the fortress was just a decoy surrounded by twenty miles of defences and killing grounds, and the assault went very wrong. The nightmarish siege lasted for three weeks before the Ultramarines arrived as reinforcements and with their support the Imperial Fists managed to drive the Iron Warriors away. However, so many Imperial Fists had been killed that they were unable to fight for 19 years after the incident and their Primarch, Rogal Dorn was left a broken man. Perturabo sacrificed the geneseed of 400 Imperial Fists to the Dark Gods and for this he was rewarded with deamonhood.
V. Jaghatai Khan, White Scars.
Spoiler:
Some time after the Heresy, Jaghatai Khan went on a crusade to rescue some of his warriors who were captured by the Dark Eldar. He never returned. It is unkown what exactly happened to him. It is likely that his ship was lost in the Warp, as the area of space he travelled through was known to be dangerous.
VI. Leman Russ, Space Wolves.
Spoiler:
He was one of the last Primarchs to disappear. Years after the Heresy, during a great feast with his Astartes, Russ suddenly stood up, told the Space Wolves he would return for the End of Times, and left. Together with his personal retinue, Russ went into the Eye of Terror and has never been seen again.
VII. Rogal Dorn, Imperial Fists.
Spoiler:
Years after the Iron Cage incident, Rogal Dorn went missing during a Black Crusade, after leading a desperate boarding assault on the bridge of the traitor-battleship Sword of Sacrilege. The only thing recovered was his hand.
VIII. Konrad Curze, Night Lords.
Spoiler:
After the Heresy, the Night Lords did not splinter like the other legions, but continued to attack the Imperium in force. The Imperium dispatched half the Callidus Assasin Temple to get rid of Curze and put an end to the Night Lord's onslaught. Curze had by then lost his sanity. Curze was killed (or rather, allowed himself to be killed) by the Callidus assasin M'Shen. After hunting down and killing the assasin, the Night Lords splintered into small warbands.
IX. Sanguinius, Blood Angels.
Spoiler:
During the Battle of Terra, Sanguinius teleported to Horus' flagship, together with the Emperor. They became seperated however and Sanguinius was the first to encounter Horus. Sanguinius spoke with his brother and friend and tried to get him back to the Emperor's side. Horus disagreed however, and tried to persuade Sanguinius to come over to his side instead. Eventually, they came to blows and Sanguinius was struck down and killed by Horus. The only damage Sanguinius managed to do back was a small chink in Horus' armour. However, it is said that it is through this chink that the Emperor managed to defeat Horus.
X. Ferrus Manus, Iron Hands.
Spoiler:
Ferrus Manus was killed during the Drop Site Massacre. Fulgrim had tried to persuade his best friend Ferrus to come over to his side, but he failed. However, as Fulgrim fled, he immobilised most of the Iron Hand's fleet. Taking only a small bodyguard of elite warriors with him, Ferrus pursued Fulgrim to Istvaan. During the Drop Site Massacre on Istvaan, Ferrus Manus charged Fulgrim and they duelled. Fulgrim did not intend to kill his friend, but the deamon blade he used forced him to, and Ferrus was decapitated. Fulgrim was distraught at the fact that his brother had been killed by his hands, and he eventually gave in to the whispers of Chaos to ease the paint.
XI.
Spoiler:
RECORDS EXPUNGED
XII. Angron, World Eaters.
Spoiler:
Angron, having little love for the Emperor, was quick to join Horus. Angron played an important role in the battles of the Horus Heresy, and was gifted with deamonhood when he reached the Eye of Terror after the Heresy.
XIII. Roboute Guilliman, Ultramarines.
Spoiler:
Guilliman met his end years after the Heresy in battle against the Emperor's Children. Guilliman was stabbed in the neck with a poisonous blade by the Deamon Primarch Fulgrim. The Ultramarine's apothecaries interred him in a stasis field, and there he remains, frozen in the instant before death.
XIV. Mortarion, Death Guard.
Spoiler:
During the Heresy, Mortarion and his entire legion were trapped in a Warp storm while on their way to Terra. While trapped there, they were visited by the Destroyer, a plague that could not be resisted and was impossible to cure. The plague transformed them into bloated mutants, yet they did not die. Eventually, Mortarion could not suffer anymore and turned to the only one capable of ending his torment: Grandfather Nurgle. Nurgle responded and took the legion and its Primarch as his own. They emerged from the Warp as the first plague marines. After the Heresy, Mortarion went into the Eye of Terror where he claimed a world as his own. This became the Plague Planet, and he shaped it so well that Nurgle rewarded him with deamonhood.
XV. Magnus, Thousand Sons.
Spoiler:
Magnus attempted to warn the Emperor of Horus' treachery, using forbidden sorcery to contact him. This ruined the Emperor's Webway Project, and the Emperor send the Space Wolves to arrest Magnus and bring the Thousand Sons to justice. However, on his way to Prospero, Russ got new orders from Horus saying that the Emperor had changed his mind and that he wanted the Thousand Sons and Magnus exterminated instead. Russ, having no reason to distrust Horus went on with this and destroyed Prospero, the Thousand Son's homeworld. Magnus engaged Russ in personal combat, but just as Russ was about to strike the final blow, Magnus gave in to Tzeentch and he and the remains of his legion were teleported away. The next time Magnus was seen, he had become a Deamon Prince of Tzeentch.
XVI. Horus Lupercal, Luna Wolves, Sons of Horus (Black Legion).
Spoiler:
Horus was the leader of the Horus Heresy (obviously) and was killed by the Emperor himself when he besieged Terra. During the Siege of Terra, Horus, wanting to decide the fight before loyalist reinforcements could arrive, lowered the shields of his flagship, hoping to engage and kill the Emperor in personal combat. The Emperor and Sanguinius teleported aboard. Sanguinius was the first to find Horus and was slain. When the Emperor found Horus, he was standing over his brothers dead body. The Emperor and Horus fought, but the Emperor could not bring himself to killing his most beloved son, still hoping that he might somehow be redeemed. Horus gained the upper hand and almost slew the Emperor. However, he was interrupted by a lone Imperial soldier entering the room. Horus turned towards the poor sod and flayed him alive with a mere look. Seeing this happening, the Emperor realised that his son was now truly beyond redemption. He lashed out with all his psychic might and obliterated Horus' soul from existance. As the Dark Gods fled, the Emperor sensed his son's return to sanity for a fraction of a second before he finally died.
XVII. Lorgar Aurelian, Word Bearers.
Spoiler:
Lorgar and the Word Bearers were instrumental in the Horus Heresy, and eventually, Lorgar was gifted with deamonhood for the atrocities they committed.
XVIII. Vulkan, Salamanders.
Spoiler:
After the Heresy, Vulkan chose to leave the Salamanders. Like Leman Russ, he promised to return for the End Times. The Salamanders believe he will return once they have found all nine of his artifacts that are hidden across the galaxy.
XIX. Corvus Corax, Raven Guard.
Spoiler:
The Raven Guard suffered greatly in the Drop Zone Massacre. Corax tried to rebuild his legion using an experimental method. However, thanks to the schemes of the Alpha Legion, this horribly backfired and the new recruits were turned into horrible mutants instead. Corus was never able to forget about this horror, which he saw as his own fault, and wracked with guilt, he locked himself up. A year after, he suddenly departed for the Eye of Terror and has never been seen again. His last words were: never more.
XX. Alpharius Omegon, Alpha Legion.
Spoiler:
I am Alpharius! Alpharius was killed. Or was it Omegon? Or neither? Or both?
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2014/04/22 02:00:59
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Led by Luther, the man who raised Jonson after he was found on Caliban, the Dark Angels left behind on Caliban by Jonson rebelled against him during the Heresy. Jonson fought the traitors in a climactic battle and duelled against Luther himself. Luther mortally wounded Jonson, but at that moment he realised that he had been deceived and how far he had fallen. The Chaos Gods, realising they had lost, sent a Warp Storm that tore Caliban apart. Luther was imprisoned by the Dark Angels, but Jonson seemed to have dissapeared.
Unknown to the Dark Angels however, Jonson survived and lies in stasis in the heart of the Rock.
II.
Spoiler:
RECORDS EXPUNGED
III. Fulgrim, Emperor's Children.
Spoiler:
Together with his brother Perturabo, Fulgrim set out to find the Angel Exterminatus, a weapon that could tip the balance of the Heresy in Horus' favour, on the Eldar crone world of Iydris. There, Fulgrim revealed that the Angel Exterminatus did not exist, but that he himself was to become such a weapon by achieving deamonhood. Perturabo attempted to attack Fulgrim, but Fulgrim used a trick to drain him of his power. However, as Fulgrim neared the completion of his ritual, he was interrupted by attacking Salamanders, Iron Hands and Raven Guard, who had followed Fulgrim in search of vengeance for the Drop Site Massacre. During the battle, the loyalist Astartes destroyed the device that Fulgrim used to keep Perturabo in check, and Perturabo struck down Fulgrim with his thunder hammer; destroying Fulgrim's body. However, Fulgrim achieved deamonhood and was reborn as a deamon prince of Slaanesh.
IV. Perturabo, Iron Warriors.
Spoiler:
After the Heresy, Perturabo set up an ambush for the surviving Imperial Fists, with whom the Iron Warriors had a fierce, hateful rivalry. The trap was known as the Eternal Fortress. The Imperial Fists, wanting to capture Perturabo, fell for this trap and assaulted the fortress. However, the fortress was just a decoy surrounded by twenty miles of defences and killing grounds, and the assault went very wrong. The nightmarish siege lasted for three weeks before the Ultramarines arrived as reinforcements and with their support the Imperial Fists managed to drive the Iron Warriors away. However, so many Imperial Fists had been killed that they were unable to fight for 19 years after the incident and their Primarch, Rogal Dorn was left a broken man. Perturabo sacrificed the geneseed of 400 Imperial Fists to the Dark Gods and for this he was rewarded with deamonhood.
V. Jaghatai Khan, White Scars.
Spoiler:
Some time after the Heresy, Jaghatai Khan went on a crusade to rescue some of his warriors who were captured by the Dark Eldar. He never returned.
It is unkown what exactly happened to him. It is likely that his ship was lost in the Warp, as the area of space he travelled through was known to be dangerous.
VI. Leman Russ, Space Wolves.
Spoiler:
He was one of the last Primarchs to disappear. Years after the Heresy, during a great feast with his Astartes, Russ suddenly stood up, told the Space Wolves he would return for the End of Times, and left. Together with his personal retinue, Russ went into the Eye of Terror and has never been seen again.
VII. Rogal Dorn, Imperial Fists.
Spoiler:
Years after the Iron Cage incident, Rogal Dorn went missing during a Black Crusade, after leading a desperate boarding assault on the bridge of the traitor-battleship Sword of Sacrilege. The only thing recovered was his hand.
VIII. Konrad Curze, Night Lords.
Spoiler:
After the Heresy, the Night Lords did not splinter like the other legions, but continued to attack the Imperium in force. The Imperium dispatched half the Callidus Assasin Temple to get rid of Curze and put an end to the Night Lord's onslaught. Curze had by then lost his sanity.
Curze was killed (or rather, allowed himself to be killed) by the Callidus assasin M'Shen. After hunting down and killing the assasin, the Night Lords splintered into small warbands.
IX. Sanguinius, Blood Angels.
Spoiler:
During the Battle of Terra, Sanguinius teleported to Horus' flagship, together with the Emperor. They became seperated however and Sanguinius was the first to encounter Horus. Sanguinius spoke with his brother and friend and tried to get him back to the Emperor's side. Horus disagreed however, and tried to persuade Sanguinius to come over to his side instead. Eventually, they came to blows and Sanguinius was struck down and killed by Horus. The only damage Sanguinius managed to do back was a small chink in Horus' armour. However, it is said that it is through this chink that the Emperor managed to defeat Horus.
X. Ferrus Manus, Iron Hands.
Spoiler:
Ferrus Manus was killed during the Drop Site Massacre. Fulgrim had tried to persuade his best friend Ferrus to come over to his side, but he failed. However, as Fulgrim fled, he immobilised most of the Iron Hand's fleet. Taking only a small bodyguard of elite warriors with him, Ferrus pursued Fulgrim to Istvaan. During the Drop Site Massacre on Istvaan, Ferrus Manus charged Fulgrim and they duelled. Fulgrim did not intend to kill his friend, but the deamon blade he used forced him to, and Ferrus was decapitated. Fulgrim was distraught at the fact that his brother had been killed by his hands, and he eventually gave in to the whispers of Chaos to ease the paint.
XI.
Spoiler:
RECORDS EXPUNGED
XII. Angron, World Eaters.
Spoiler:
Angron, having little love for the Emperor, was quick to join Horus. Angron played an important role in the battles of the Horus Heresy, and was gifted with deamonhood when he reached the Eye of Terror after the Heresy.
XIII. Roboute Guilliman, Ultramarines.
Spoiler:
Guilliman met his end years after the Heresy in battle against the Emperor's Children. Guilliman was stabbed in the neck with a poisonous blade by the Deamon Primarch Fulgrim.
The Ultramarine's apothecaries interred him in a stasis field, and there he remains, frozen in the instant before death.
XIV. Mortarion, Death Guard.
Spoiler:
During the Heresy, Mortarion and his entire legion were trapped in a Warp storm while on their way to Terra. While trapped there, they were visited by the Destroyer, a plague that could not be resisted and was impossible to cure. The plague transformed them into bloated mutants, yet they did not die. Eventually, Mortarion could not suffer anymore and turned to the only one capable of ending his torment: Grandfather Nurgle. Nurgle responded and took the legion and its Primarch as his own. They emerged from the Warp as the first plague marines.
After the Heresy, Mortarion went into the Eye of Terror where he claimed a world as his own. This became the Plague Planet, and he shaped it so well that Nurgle rewarded him with deamonhood.
XV. Magnus, Thousand Sons.
Spoiler:
Magnus attempted to warn the Emperor of Horus' treachery, using forbidden sorcery to contact him. This ruined the Emperor's Webway Project, and the Emperor send the Space Wolves to arrest Magnus and bring the Thousand Sons to justice. However, on his way to Prospero, Russ got new orders from Horus saying that the Emperor had changed his mind and that he wanted the Thousand Sons and Magnus exterminated instead. Russ, having no reason to distrust Horus went on with this and destroyed Prospero, the Thousand Son's homeworld. Magnus engaged Russ in personal combat, but just as Russ was about to strike the final blow, Magnus gave in to Tzeentch and he and the remains of his legion were teleported away. The next time Magnus was seen, he had become a Deamon Prince of Tzeentch.
XVI. Horus Lupercal, Luna Wolves, Sons of Horus (Black Legion).
Spoiler:
Horus was the leader of the Horus Heresy (obviously) and was killed by the Emperor himself when he besieged Terra. During the Siege of Terra, Horus, wanting to decide the fight before loyalist reinforcements could arrive, lowered the shields of his flagship, hoping to engage and kill the Emperor in personal combat. The Emperor and Sanguinius teleported aboard. Sanguinius was the first to find Horus and was slain. When the Emperor found Horus, he was standing over his brothers dead body. The Emperor and Horus fought, but the Emperor could not bring himself to killing his most beloved son, still hoping that he might somehow be redeemed. Horus gained the upper hand and almost slew the Emperor. However, he was interrupted by a lone Imperial soldier entering the room. Horus turned towards the poor sod and flayed him alive with a mere look. Seeing this happening, the Emperor realised that his son was now truly beyond redemption. He lashed out with all his psychic might and obliterated Horus' soul from existance. As the Dark Gods fled, the Emperor sensed his son's return to sanity for a fraction of a second before he finally died.
XVII. Lorgar Aurelian, Word Bearers.
Spoiler:
Lorgar and the Word Bearers were instrumental in the Horus Heresy, and eventually, Lorgar was gifted with deamonhood for the atrocities they committed.
XVIII. Vulkan, Salamanders.
Spoiler:
After the Heresy, Vulkan chose to leave the Salamanders. Like Leman Russ, he promised to return for the End Times. The Salamanders believe he will return once they have found all nine of his artifacts that are hidden across the galaxy.
XIX. Corvus Corax, Raven Guard.
Spoiler:
The Raven Guard suffered greatly in the Drop Zone Massacre. Corax tried to rebuild his legion using an experimental method. However, thanks to the schemes of the Alpha Legion, this horribly backfired and the new recruits were turned into horrible mutants instead.
Corus was never able to forget about this horror, which he saw as his own fault, and wracked with guilt, he locked himself up. A year after, he suddenly departed for the Eye of Terror and has never been seen again. His last words were: never more.
XX. Alpharius Omegon, Alpha Legion.
Spoiler:
I am Alpharius! Alpharius was killed. Or was it Omegon? Or neither? Or both?
Thanks a million for this detailed post as it covered everything.
These 2 legions which have no record are interesting. Where they found by the emperor during the crusade or not? I guess these are 2 open spaces for GW to add a new legion in the future??
How about legends of primarchs not connected to the original 20? Are there or I'd there any speculations of other legions not officially recorded to of existed??
Only through chaos can peace be obtained,
Destruction is our future but we shall not fall from it, We will rise up stronger than ever before and stand together united as one,
2014/04/22 06:40:16
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Johnson and Guilliman are in the same situation no matter how much fanboy bias gets thrown in. Both are held in stasis at the point of death. How some people arrive at "Johnson will live but Girlyman will die LOLOL" mystifies me.
5000
2014/04/22 07:02:06
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Irrational hatred of Ultramarines is what I would chalk it up to.
40k fiction is incredibly malleable and can change drastically from one codex or novel to the next. I wouldn't be surprised if Games Workshop were to rework Konrad Curze death since it's obviously just Apocalypse now. Curze (Colonel Kurtz) being killed by M'Shen (Michael Sheen).
As for the two expunged legions there are passing mentions of them in the Horus Heresy series of novels. Apparently they were long gone even before the Great Crusade kicked off. Something real bad, or tragic, happened there and not even the Primarchs want to talk about it amongst themselves.
Astra Militarum
Kingdom of Bretonnia
2014/04/22 07:07:05
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Johnson is stated to have been healed in the Dark Angels Codex. Might be the reason.
My $0.02, which since 1992 has rounded to nothing. Take with salt.
Elysian Drop Troops, Dark Angels, 30K
Mercenaries, Retribution
Ten Thunders, Neverborn
2014/04/22 07:42:23
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
During 13th black crusade Russ n his guys where suspected of going in and wrecking the chaos joint with lost 13th company.
But the timeline moved pre so guess that's no longer fact. Its too cool to have a loyalist primarch deciding to take fight to chaos in defence of impirium
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
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2014/04/22 09:36:16
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Do you think that GW will introduce these legions in the future? Or does the fluff suggest these chapters were obliterated because of this something bad happening? It's a bit confusing and makes me wonder why have the story missing 2 from the 20 if you had real no plans for them??
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2014/04/22 09:55:30
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
kerikhaos wrote: Do you think that GW will introduce these legions in the future? Or does the fluff suggest these chapters were obliterated because of this something bad happening? It's a bit confusing and makes me wonder why have the story missing 2 from the 20 if you had real no plans for them??
Theyre for fan Legions. Realistically they cant make anything satisfactory for most people at this point anyway imo.
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2014/04/22 09:55:39
Subject: PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
kerikhaos wrote: Do you think that GW will introduce these legions in the future? Or does the fluff suggest these chapters were obliterated because of this something bad happening? It's a bit confusing and makes me wonder why have the story missing 2 from the 20 if you had real no plans for them??
no
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2014/04/22 11:10:31
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
Is there any info to what may of happened that was so bad for everyone primarchs and emperor to never speak of the incident? Means they must of interacted at done point?
Only through chaos can peace be obtained,
Destruction is our future but we shall not fall from it, We will rise up stronger than ever before and stand together united as one,
2014/04/22 14:48:13
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
No, not really. It is purposefully kept mysterious. They are referenced from time to time in the Horus Heresy books, and there are a few bits of speculation as to their fate, but nothing concrete. I doubt Games Workshop would ever tell that story. Keeping it mysterious is what makes them interesting.
2014/04/22 17:41:02
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
He was tortured repeatedly by Kurze and basically lost his mind. John Grammaticus stabbed him with the Emperor's Fulgarite Spear, which is basically a physical manifestation of the Emperor's power. The implication is that this act will restore his sanity. The Spear becomes lodged and Vulkan does not come back to life as he normally would, being a Perpetual and functionally immortal.
He body, complete with Fulgarite Spear is placed in a coffin marked with the words "The Unbound Flame". The Unbound Flame is one of the 9 artifacts that the Salamanders are looking for as spoken of in the Tome of Fire. They have no idea that this "artifact" is their Primarch's body. Presumably, when the artifacts are gathered and Vulkan's body is recovered, the Spear will be removed and he will return to life with his sanity restored. At least, that's what the Tome of Fire says. Collect all the artifacts and Vulkan returns. The Forgefathers... Vulkan Haestan in the currect 'dex... are tasked with finding the artifacts and therefore causing Vulkan to return.
In other words, not only is Vulkan not dead, but he has had a fair amount of storyline progression compared to most other Primarchs of late!
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The 2 missing legions have, historically, been referred to as "The Lost" and "The Purged". Their fates, their actions, the names of the Primarchs they were based on, or who may have lead them, or any other details has never been published by GW.
It is, basically, a way for your home-brew Chapters to have a history dating back to the GC without needing to be associated with any of the known Legions or Chapters.
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2014/04/22 18:40:32
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
He was tortured repeatedly by Kurze and basically lost his mind. John Grammaticus stabbed him with the Emperor's Fulgarite Spear, which is basically a physical manifestation of the Emperor's power. The implication is that this act will restore his sanity. The Spear becomes lodged and Vulkan does not come back to life as he normally would, being a Perpetual and functionally immortal.
He body, complete with Fulgarite Spear is placed in a coffin marked with the words "The Unbound Flame". The Unbound Flame is one of the 9 artifacts that the Salamanders are looking for as spoken of in the Tome of Fire. They have no idea that this "artifact" is their Primarch's body. Presumably, when the artifacts are gathered and Vulkan's body is recovered, the Spear will be removed and he will return to life with his sanity restored. At least, that's what the Tome of Fire says. Collect all the artifacts and Vulkan returns. The Forgefathers... Vulkan Haestan in the currect 'dex... are tasked with finding the artifacts and therefore causing Vulkan to return.
In other words, not only is Vulkan not dead, but he has had a fair amount of storyline progression compared to most other Primarchs of late!
Yep, Correct. Vulkan is alive. And he is much needed now more than ever.
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2014/04/22 19:05:34
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
tgjensen wrote: No, not really. It is purposefully kept mysterious. They are referenced from time to time in the Horus Heresy books, and there are a few bits of speculation as to their fate, but nothing concrete. I doubt Games Workshop would ever tell that story. Keeping it mysterious is what makes them interesting.
Indeed, every good story needs some mystery. Some small hints and mentions are dropped every now and then, but I doubt we will ever get a complete picture. Personally, I think it is for the best. Their mysteriousness is what makes the Missing Legions so interesting.
From what I know about them, they were already gone before the Heresy. It has been hinted that the Space Wolves had some hand in the dissapearance of those Legions and that it is why they are nicknamed 'The Emperor's Executioners'. Also, in Horus Heresy: Massacre, there is a timeline, and it shows that in in 965 and 969.M30 the Space Wolves engaged in two missions from which all data has been redacted. And in the The First Heretic, dialogue among the Word Bearers and a deamon reveals that the XI legion did something so bad, that the Emperor led their purge personally and that the survivors of the XI legion were folded into the Ultramarines (which is the reason the Ultramarines were so much larger than any other legion). Also, in the 1st edition, all twenty first founding chapters were known. However, the Valedictors and Rainbow Warriors were demoted to a later founding in the 2nd edition, and the missing legions were introduced in their place.
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2014/04/23 00:14:04
Subject: Re:PRIMARCHS - How did they all meet their end?
40k fiction is incredibly malleable and can change drastically from one codex or novel to the next. I wouldn't be surprised if Games Workshop were to rework Konrad Curze death since it's obviously just Apocalypse now. Curze (Colonel Kurtz) being killed by M'Shen (Michael Sheen).
Mind = Blown.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also the missing legions astartes where rolled into the Ultramarines (if memory serves) this is hinted at in one of the books where it mentions their numbers swelling after the purge.
This of course also means that if those astartes had their geneseed harvested after death that mixed into the ultramarines is maybe one or two completely separate genetic lines that today make up the chapter and its successors.
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