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could somebody tell me what the hell is going on with the new IG (ive missed a few weeks)
why 2 codexes?
i understand why there called what they are.
army lists the same for astra militarum?
what if you already have storm troopers in your ig army would that mean you have 2 seperate armies?
whats with the berets?
thx for any replies


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whats the differences?


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are conscripts still the same?
are platoons and orders still the same?


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sry i just cant get codex astra quick enough
i also cant stop editing this


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is it OP or Under-powered


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should i use this astra codex?

1.) Codex Astra Militarum is the successor of the Codex Imperial Guard. If you want to play IG, buy this one.
2.) Codex Militarum Tempestus is something like a Stormtrooper/Elite Codex or supplement, with few rules, few options (basically only the new plastic kits), blown up with pics and fluff. The printed version is OOP in Europe and will not be reprinted. It is only available in a version for the iPad. So this is only for you, if you want an army of Scions driving tauroxes.

basicly codex temptus millitarium is the IG equivilant of.... I dunno Codex: Legion of the damned?

BrianDavion wrote:
basicly codex temptus millitarium is the IG equivilant of.... I dunno Codex: Legion of the damned?

Or Codex: Inquisition, only it doesn't use a special FOC.

BrianDavion wrote:
basicly codex temptus millitarium is the IG equivilant of.... I dunno Codex: Legion of the damned?

kinda, it'd be like Codex: Sternguard, comprised only of Chaplains, Sternguard, Rhinos (no Razorback, as the Scions in MT can't take Chimeras) and Storm Ravens.

 Kroothawk wrote:
1.) Codex Astra Militarum is the successor of the Codex Imperial Guard. If you want to play IG, buy this one.
2.) Codex Militarum Tempestus is something like a Stormtrooper/Elite Codex or supplement, with few rules, few options (basically only the new plastic kits), blown up with pics and fluff. The printed version is OOP in Europe and will not be reprinted. It is only available in a version for the iPad. So this is only for you, if you want an army of Scions driving tauroxes.

so same as i already have with some changes or S.A.S guard

Basically...

C:MT allows you to take an entire army (primary detachment) of Scions.

C:AM has all of the same Scion units as C:MT, however in C:AM Scions can only be taken as an elites choice.

There are some other very minor differences, but that's really the bulk of it.

You do not need C:MT to have Scions (Stormtrooper's) in your C:AM army.

The only difference between the storm troopers in the AM codex and MT supplement is the orders they get access to, and the fact that AM scions are bought as platoons in the elite slot, while in the MT supplement they're bought as individual squads for troops and the command squad is an HQ. If you can find the orders for the MT supplement, you could run the codex using the entries for the Valkyrie, commissar, and Taurox prime out of the codex without having to pay a cent extra.

Obviously you wouldn't have the rules for the formations or the background, but you would ha e all the rules you need to run an allied detachment. Just skim through the Stormtrooper rumor thread and I'm sure you can find their supplement specific orders.

I think they changed the name beacause of similarities with Star Wars e.g. Luke sky walker ran past the storm troopers fought the imperial guard and reached the emperor then was like wrong universe

They changed it for the same reason they changed the Imperial Guard's "real" title to Astra Militarum, so its easier to defend in court.

Why do people keep thinking GW is afraid of Star Wars? They're not. Disney has no better odds of suing GW over terms like Imperial Guard or Stormtrooper than GW does suing any of the number of companies using the words "Space Marines". However, GW believes that they have a far better chance of suing someone over the use of "Adeptus Astartes" or "Astra Militarum" as these aren't common words. It might even be why they use that hilariously broken Latin, just to be sure they're copyrightable, although I highly doubt it.

Since the Codex Militarum Tempestus is the only current codex to be out of print, we can all safely assume that it never happened and was, in fact, a GW April Fool's joke.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Since the Codex Militarum Tempestus is the only current codex to be out of print, we can all safely assume that it never happened and was, in fact, a GW April Fool's joke.

Oh, you mean this thing: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/codex-militarum-tempestus/id849859482?mt=11 ?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
They changed it for the same reason they changed the Imperial Guard's "real" title to Astra Militarum, so its easier to defend in court.

Why do people keep thinking GW is afraid of Star Wars? They're not. Disney has no better odds of suing GW over terms like Imperial Guard or Stormtrooper than GW does suing any of the number of companies using the words "Space Marines". However, GW believes that they have a far better chance of suing someone over the use of "Adeptus Astartes" or "Astra Militarum" as these aren't common words. It might even be why they use that hilariously broken Latin, just to be sure they're copyrightable, although I highly doubt it.

This. If GW can sue over "Space Marine" then Disney can sue over "IG" and "Stormtrooper." But then again, Disney could probably be sued by the Roman Empire by the same logic, or Nazi Germany (my German isn't great but as far as I know SA or SS means Stormtroopers).

No company is entitled to such terms, and regardless of "copyright" laws, as far as I am concerned such terms are out of bounds.

"Space Marine"- Marine being a "liberation" soldier type thing. I'm not amazing at military background or politics but thinking in terms of US Marines, which as far as been explained to me, liberate/"liberate" (perspective based) other countries and such. So they are a liberating army in space. Marines of Space. Marines in Space. Mahreens in Spheesss. Space marines.


"Imperial Guard"- They protect the Imperium. The EMPEROR's EMPIRE. They protect, or GUARD, an Imperial society. Imperial Guard.

Stormtroopers- Soldiers, or troopers. Who hit hard, fast and destructively. Like a storm. Nuff said.

Actually Marine means infantry who are attached to ships. Hence "marine" as in ocean.

Also OP: Rejoice! Conscripts are now only 3 points and guardsmen 5 points! Sure you don't have Chenkov anymore, but you can field 51 fearless wounds with conscripts and a priest for a mere 175 points so who gives a damn!?

Also the Guard have better orders now, including ones that let you flat out ignore cover or dole out precision shots. And you can have tank commanders give orders to your tanks.

Russes are far cheaper now and the codex seems well suited to spamming them, hell the Eradicator comes in at a measely 120 points base. Hell, you can even take HQ Russ squads now!

Pask changed a bit, but among other things now gives orders, has preferred enemy against a codex of your choice, and changed his weapon rules. Things like vanquishers are now twin linked for him, while the punisher cannon now rends for him.

Also, you can really spam divinitation with lots of cheap ML2 primaris psykers, so rejoice some more!

Reserve altering abilities were bundled into the master of the fleet, and the Astropath now just gives you telepathy.

Yeah, as Kain said, a Marine is an infantry soldier stationed on/deployed by a naval vessel. The US Marine Corps is still attached to the US Department of the Navy and was, once upon a time, simply one aspect of the Navy.

"Liberation" has nothing to do with it.

 Deadshot wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
They changed it for the same reason they changed the Imperial Guard's "real" title to Astra Militarum, so its easier to defend in court.

Why do people keep thinking GW is afraid of Star Wars? They're not. Disney has no better odds of suing GW over terms like Imperial Guard or Stormtrooper than GW does suing any of the number of companies using the words "Space Marines". However, GW believes that they have a far better chance of suing someone over the use of "Adeptus Astartes" or "Astra Militarum" as these aren't common words. It might even be why they use that hilariously broken Latin, just to be sure they're copyrightable, although I highly doubt it.

This. If GW can sue over "Space Marine" then Disney can sue over "IG" and "Stormtrooper." But then again, Disney could probably be sued by the Roman Empire by the same logic, or Nazi Germany (my German isn't great but as far as I know SA or SS means Stormtroopers).

Disney has enough money and legal power that in they were able to push through the Copyright Term Extension Act in 1998 to give Mickey Mouse another 20 years of Copyright protection (Steamboat Willy was about to enter public domain at the time).

When it comes to IP, Disney makes GW look like a slowed child. You don't feth with the Mouse (or his lawyers).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
When it comes to IP, Disney makes GW look like a slowed child. You don't feth with the Mouse (or his lawyers).

Oh, really? You must have never been in a non-Western country, then

I can find Mickey Mouse school bags, lunch carriers, pencils, toys and whatnot by the dime a dozen in Asian flea markets.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
When it comes to IP, Disney makes GW look like a slowed child. You don't feth with the Mouse (or his lawyers).

Oh, really? You must have never been in a non-Western country, then

I can find Mickey Mouse school bags, lunch carriers, pencils, toys and whatnot by the dime a dozen in Asian flea markets.

And? You act as though the relative lack of concern over IP enforcement in some of the Asian countries is something new or particularly revealing.

Disney proably won;'t sue to trademark the term stormtrooper etc. but they'd certinly sue if someone ELSE tried to trademark it

This logic is flawed, as GW would then have to replace the name Orks as well (dont think Orks are copyrighted).

And if you say the "k" is a GW IP invention, then what about Eldar? That is ripped off Tolkien lore to the letter. No way in hell could GW copyright Eldar.

 Deadshot wrote:
This. If GW can sue over "Space Marine" then Disney can sue over "IG" and "Stormtrooper." But then again, Disney could probably be sued by the Roman Empire by the same logic, or Nazi Germany (my German isn't great but as far as I know SA or SS means Stormtroopers).

Actually, neither of 'em mean Stormtroopers.

That said the term 'Stormtroopers' was used by Germany in the First World War to describe a specialist corps of assault troops.

 Deadshot wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
They changed it for the same reason they changed the Imperial Guard's "real" title to Astra Militarum, so its easier to defend in court.

Why do people keep thinking GW is afraid of Star Wars? They're not. Disney has no better odds of suing GW over terms like Imperial Guard or Stormtrooper than GW does suing any of the number of companies using the words "Space Marines". However, GW believes that they have a far better chance of suing someone over the use of "Adeptus Astartes" or "Astra Militarum" as these aren't common words. It might even be why they use that hilariously broken Latin, just to be sure they're copyrightable, although I highly doubt it.

This. If GW can sue over "Space Marine" then Disney can sue over "IG" and "Stormtrooper." But then again, Disney could probably be sued by the Roman Empire by the same logic, or Nazi Germany (my German isn't great but as far as I know SA or SS means Stormtroopers).

Actually, no.

Stormtrooper in german is Sturmtruppen

SS stands for SchultzStaffel, or "Protective Bodyguard"

SA stands for SturmAbteilung, or "Storm Detachment."
They were largely replaced by the SS after the Night of the Long Knives, although they were officially dissolved in 1945

stormwell wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
This. If GW can sue over "Space Marine" then Disney can sue over "IG" and "Stormtrooper." But then again, Disney could probably be sued by the Roman Empire by the same logic, or Nazi Germany (my German isn't great but as far as I know SA or SS means Stormtroopers).

Actually, neither of 'em mean Stormtroopers.

That said the term 'Stormtroopers' was used by Germany in the First World War to describe a specialist corps of assault troops.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
They changed it for the same reason they changed the Imperial Guard's "real" title to Astra Militarum, so its easier to defend in court.

Why do people keep thinking GW is afraid of Star Wars? They're not. Disney has no better odds of suing GW over terms like Imperial Guard or Stormtrooper than GW does suing any of the number of companies using the words "Space Marines". However, GW believes that they have a far better chance of suing someone over the use of "Adeptus Astartes" or "Astra Militarum" as these aren't common words. It might even be why they use that hilariously broken Latin, just to be sure they're copyrightable, although I highly doubt it.

This. If GW can sue over "Space Marine" then Disney can sue over "IG" and "Stormtrooper." But then again, Disney could probably be sued by the Roman Empire by the same logic, or Nazi Germany (my German isn't great but as far as I know SA or SS means Stormtroopers).

Actually, no.

Stormtrooper in german is Sturmtruppen

SS stands for SchultzStaffel, or "Protective Bodyguard"

SA stands for SturmAbteilung, or "Storm Detachment."
They were largely replaced by the SS after the Night of the Long Knives, although they were officially dissolved in 1945

Ah, well like I said my German isn't good, even decent, and its not required to know German translations for history classes here. But regardless, the point I was making was that stuff like that are simply descriptive terms, not IP titles and IMHO shouldn't be treated as such. They are Guards for an empire. IG. Marines in Space. Space Marines. Troopers who hit like a storm. Storm troopers.

 Sir Arun wrote:
This logic is flawed, as GW would then have to replace the name Orks as well (dont think Orks are copyrighted).

I'm pretty sure it's trademarked. Copyrights are a different batch of IP protection.

Right.

Astra Militrum = Imperial Guard. This is a main codex.

Militarum Tempestus = Codex: Storm Troopers. It is a small supplement. You do not need it to play Stormtroopers.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Right.

Astra Militrum = Imperial Guard. This is a main codex.

Militarum Tempestus = Codex: Storm Troopers. It is a small supplement. You do not need it to play Stormtroopers.

"Supplements" are add-ons to codexes, not books that can be played by themselves. The Stormtroopers codex is a stand along book and is not a supplement to the Guard codex. And you only need it if you're going to play a stand along Stormtroopers army, or want to ally Stormtroopers to another Imperial Army without the rest of the Guard stuff. Otherwise it's skippable.

I really dont see where the fun is in fielding an entire army composed of Scions, Scion Command squads, and Taurox Primes.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I really dont see where the fun is in fielding an entire army composed of Scions, Scion Command squads, and Taurox Primes.

Some people like the idea though. Fun is subjective and all that.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Right.

Astra Militrum = Imperial Guard. This is a main codex.

Militarum Tempestus = Codex: Storm Troopers. It is a small supplement. You do not need it to play Stormtroopers.

"Supplements" are add-ons to codexes, not books that can be played by themselves. The Stormtroopers codex is a stand along book and is not a supplement to the Guard codex. And you only need it if you're going to play a stand along Stormtroopers army, or want to ally Stormtroopers to another Imperial Army without the rest of the Guard stuff. Otherwise it's skippable.

Ah, I was not aware that it was a codex in and of itself. That seems... slowed, at best, though considering C:Inq and LOTD is a thing, I'm hardly surprised. My point is, if he has ten or so Stormtrooper models, he doesn't need to buy another book alongside C:AM to play with them.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Right.

Astra Militrum = Imperial Guard. This is a main codex.

Militarum Tempestus = Codex: Storm Troopers. It is a small supplement. You do not need it to play Stormtroopers.

"Supplements" are add-ons to codexes, not books that can be played by themselves. The Stormtroopers codex is a stand along book and is not a supplement to the Guard codex. And you only need it if you're going to play a stand along Stormtroopers army, or want to ally Stormtroopers to another Imperial Army without the rest of the Guard stuff. Otherwise it's skippable.

Ah, I was not aware that it was a codex in and of itself. That seems... slowed, at best, though considering C:Inq and LOTD is a thing, I'm hardly surprised. My point is, if he has ten or so Stormtrooper models, he doesn't need to buy another book alongside C:AM to play with them.

The whole "supplement" and "codex" thing has lead to a lot of confusion because people keep using them interchangeably, which is why I harp on them being different things.

And yes, if you are running C:AM you don't need the second book.