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2014/04/25 01:58:29
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
He needs a better Stetson.....the one he has been out in the sun to long and no longer effective to making those quotes
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2014/04/25 02:01:10
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
whembly wrote: I have a weird respect for bundy simply because he's trying to stand up to the Feds...
So now you also admire Che Guevara then, of course.
Did bundy kill anyone???
That wasn't the criteria given, just that they have to stand up to the Feds. Though if that is your thing he and his separatist buddies aren't carrying around guns and threatening law enforcement for fun, much like Che wasn't either. Well, going by the video some of them may be doing it for fun. Perhaps it is Cesar Chavez's poster that adorns your walls?
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2014/04/25 02:07:31
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.
Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.
Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn't start grazing on that land until 1954.
The Bureau of Land Management was created 1946, the same year Cliven was born.
2014/04/25 02:16:16
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
What I think is funny is when you go to 'rural' areas with good 'down home country' philosophies, they tout things like:
*Our front door is always open
*Porch sitting with family and kids
*Relaxing and 'doing nothing'
As examples of good living... But when 'negros' do it, it is because they are poor, lazy , ignorant slaves of the government? And he knows this by driving by them or his extensive experience with specific population's personal situations?
I guess the government is bad in Bundy's eyes... except when it is locking up black males at alarming rates.
"Rural quality of life in our valley" indeed.
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2014/04/25 02:18:05
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Ease the Hell up in the November word. If Bundy using it then let him look like a racist and idiot.
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2014/04/25 02:20:15
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
I thought it was nice when he was proclaiming that there was no Federal government while proclaiming the greatness of the Founding Fathers, who created a Federal government, and carrying an American Flag, not a Nevada flag.
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2014/04/25 02:21:38
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
nkelsch wrote: What I think is funny is when you go to 'rural' areas with good 'down home country' philosophies, they tout things like:
*Our front door is always open
*Porch sitting with family and kids
*Relaxing and 'doing nothing'
As examples of good living... But when 'negros' do it, it is because they are poor, lazy , ignorant slaves of the government? And he knows this by driving by them or his extensive experience with specific population's personal situations?
I guess the government is bad in Bundy's eyes... except when it is locking up black males at alarming rates.
"Rural quality of life in our valley" indeed.
When I go to the "rural" areas in MIssouri, I see poverty stricken tar-paper shacks with confederate flags out front. I wish I was making that up. Somehow, I'm guessing the general population there did not have ancestry from Africa in the last 600 years.
Goddamn shame too. It's some beautiful countryside there.
I say this not to prove any particular point. Simply toss my anecdote into the fray.
Ease the Hell up in the November word. If Bundy using it then let him look like a racist and idiot.
Since I am referencing his statements, I am referencing his terminology to show how absurd it is. Hence the quote marks.
The fact he is even using such a term in today's world shows how out of touch he is and his whole community is.
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2014/04/25 02:22:44
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Sure, becuase you should be to busy with your studies to know what is happening in the outside world. BACK TO WORK
This is a good point. Isn't it finals time? You should be writing papers about people, not posts about people!
Actually I just got done with my presentation. Didnt go well, I was going to show a video of a guy reading poetry, but the projector didnt have Audio :(
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2014/04/25 02:27:12
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Sure, becuase you should be to busy with your studies to know what is happening in the outside world. BACK TO WORK
This is a good point. Isn't it finals time? You should be writing papers about people, not posts about people!
Actually I just got done with my presentation. Didnt go well, I was going to show a video of a guy reading poetry, but the projector didnt have Audio :(
Ouch. Oh well, I'm sure people enjoyed the video of the mute man making faces at them
They certainly would've enjoyed it more than if you'd had audio of Bundy, that's for sure
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2014/04/25 02:38:22
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
If your quoting from a source and an individual does not make one right in the using the term. Its a one of those "If he can so can I...." type of thing. The more one use it as an example of "leeway" given. Nip it in the bud. If someone outside this forum looks at the word usage then "bingo" your a racist and we allow it.
The more he use the word and the fact he standing by his "words" you can can watch who flocks to his banner and those he leave his banner. Bet your sweet arse the be facial pics of those who stand by him and background checks of them.
Like I said. I want to see how far he can go and right now I do believe he put the final nail in his coffin and whatever inheritance his kids might have
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2014/04/25 02:40:19
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Anyone (like myself) who read his tirade against the BLM after he lost his court case could tell that this guy is completely unhinged.
I've said it numerous times in the last Bundy vs. BLM thread that the guy is wrong on almost every level. I even included various examples of how his claim was wrong and it violated the Nevada State Constitution and it just fell on deaf ears (or blind eyes I guess). Are we somehow supposed to be surprised that a man who wants to steal from the government he doesn't "believe in" even though the document he believes in is what created the government (that he doesn't recognize) while at the same time professing loyalty to the state whose founding document expressly forbids all of his actions also turns out to be a good, old-fashioned racist curmudgeon?
Where is Relapse to swoop in and defend him now?
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2014/04/25 03:35:00
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
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2014/04/25 03:35:46
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
misplaced a decimal I think.....if NASA can do it so they can to
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2014/04/25 04:37:11
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
I said from the first Bundy was wrong, but DitchWinsAll came out with his "Mormons are all in it together with Bundy to overthrow the government remarks", so I give him the respect he deserves.
He was calling the all people down there racist, not the man. Just another of his comments on par with the ones in which he so bravely said those towns and people should be destroyed.
Anyone (like myself) who read his tirade against the BLM after he lost his court case could tell that this guy is completely unhinged.
I've said it numerous times in the last Bundy vs. BLM thread that the guy is wrong on almost every level. I even included various examples of how his claim was wrong and it violated the Nevada State Constitution and it just fell on deaf ears (or blind eyes I guess). Are we somehow supposed to be surprised that a man who wants to steal from the government he doesn't "believe in" even though the document he believes in is what created the government (that he doesn't recognize) while at the same time professing loyalty to the state whose founding document expressly forbids all of his actions also turns out to be a good, old-fashioned racist curmudgeon?
Where is Relapse to swoop in and defend him now?
Scooty, reading comprehension os so important in this busy world we live in. Could I direct you to my comments where I said he was wrong, but I despised the BLM for what they were doing?
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2014/04/25 05:18:56
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Relapse wrote: I said from the first Bundy was wrong, but DitchWinsAll came out with his "Mormons are all in it together with Bundy to overthrow the government remarks", so I give him the respect he deserves.
You also heaped blame on the BLM for enforcing federal law while trying, and failing, to demonstrate that they had broken it.
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2014/04/25 05:26:40
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Relapse wrote: I said from the first Bundy was wrong, but DitchWinsAll came out with his "Mormons are all in it together with Bundy to overthrow the government remarks", so I give him the respect he deserves.
You also heaped blame on the BLM for enforcing federal law while trying, and failing, to demonstrate that they had broken it.
I could go through all of this again about my feelings on the BLM, and started a thread about the strong possibility of it preparing to grab 90,0000 acres of land in Texas from the ranchers there, but it somehow disappeared.
2014/04/25 05:33:22
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Anyone (like myself) who read his tirade against the BLM after he lost his court case could tell that this guy is completely unhinged.
I've said it numerous times in the last Bundy vs. BLM thread that the guy is wrong on almost every level. I even included various examples of how his claim was wrong and it violated the Nevada State Constitution and it just fell on deaf ears (or blind eyes I guess). Are we somehow supposed to be surprised that a man who wants to steal from the government he doesn't "believe in" even though the document he believes in is what created the government (that he doesn't recognize) while at the same time professing loyalty to the state whose founding document expressly forbids all of his actions also turns out to be a good, old-fashioned racist curmudgeon?
Where is Relapse to swoop in and defend him now?
Scooty, reading comprehension os so important in this busy world we live in. Could I direct you to my comments where I said he was wrong, but I despised the BLM for what they were doing?
No, you danced around with this "I think he's wrong but I agree with what he is doing because... blah" which is the ultimate cop-out. You have waffled between Bundy is wrong but the BLM is more wrong so that makes Bundy kind of innocent but he should still remove his cattle but also the BLM is tyrannical. You were even asked multiple times by multiple people to give a clear statement and were unable to do so.
You have simply ignored the facts of the entire case as pointed out by myself, Ouze, D-usa, Nkelsch, Lordofhats, and others time, and time, and time again. I will run them by you once again:
1. Man uses government subsidized land for grazing cattle
2. Government changes grazing lease because of tortoise
3. Man unhappy with changes takes government to court
4. Man loses
5. Man upset with losing, ignores court
6. Man told to pay fees and comply with new lease or remove cattle
7. Man disagrees and then loses... again
8. Man ignores court orders, begins stealing from government
9. Government cancels lease over nonpayment, court orders man to remove cattle
10. Man threatens violence against government in rambling written tirade
11. Government begins to remove cattle
12. Multiple people threaten government employees and contractors because they were prepared to defend themselves and the interests of the United States government against previous threats of violence 13. Government leaves before they are gunned down by militia members
14. Man claims "ancestral rights" and is wrong
15. Man claims to only recognize sovereignty of Nevada... and is wrong
16. Man goes on rambling, racist diatribe... and is wrong
17. Man defends rambling, racist diatribe with another rambling, racist diatribe... and is wrong
The bottom line is this: Bundy was wrong and has been wrong for 20 years and every time he opens his mouth he is just more wrong and he has no right to complain about armed federal LEO agents because he was the first person to threaten violence. Period.
Relapse wrote: I could go through all of this again about my feelings on the BLM, and started a thread about the strong possibility of it preparing to grab 90,0000 acres of land in Texas from the ranchers there, but it somehow disappeared.
That is a shame too because I gave you a very detailed explanation on how there was absolutely nothing of journalistic merit in the hyperbole-ridden excuse for an article.
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2014/04/25 05:36:41
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
You have simply ignored the facts of the entire case as pointed out by myself, Ouze, D-usa, Nkelsch, Lordofhats, and others time, and time, and time again. I will run them by you once again:
1. Man uses government subsidized land for grazing cattle
2. Government changes grazing lease because of tortoise
3. Man unhappy with changes takes government to court
4. Man loses
5. Man upset with losing, ignores court
6. Man told to pay fees and comply with new lease or remove cattle
7. Man disagrees and then loses... again
8. Man ignores court orders, begins stealing from government
9. Government cancels lease over nonpayment, court orders man to remove cattle
10. Man threatens violence against government in rambling written tirade
11. Government begins to remove cattle
12. Multiple people threaten government employees and contractors because they were prepared to defend themselves and the interests of the United States government against previous threats of violence
13. Government leaves before they are gunned down by militia members
14. Man claims "ancestral rights" and is wrong
15. Man claims to only recognize sovereignty of Nevada... and is wrong
16. Man goes on rambling, racist diatribe... and is wrong
17. Man defends rambling, racist diatribe with another rambling, racist diatribe... and is wrong
The bottom line is this: Bundy was wrong and has been wrong for 20 years and every time he opens his mouth he is just more wrong and he has no right to complain about armed federal LEO agents because he was the first person to threaten violence. Period.
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I could go through all of this again about my feelings on the BLM, and started a thread about the strong possibility of it preparing to grab 90,0000 acres of land in Texas from the ranchers there, but it somehow disappeared.
How is that relevant to the Bundy case? Has he started putting cattle on Federal land in Texas?
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