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yeah,
Games and Gears New proline brushes KickStarter is Now Live.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/554355176/games-and-gears-ichiban-studios-pro-line-brush





£30

Hair: High Quality Sable Hair
Ferrule: Silver Chrome
Handle: High Quality Aluminum Handle

£50

Hair: High Quality Sable Hair
Ferrule: Silver Chrome
Handle: High Quality Aluminum Handle

Add ons
extra brushes - case and diamond files.


Kickstarter

Each pledge currently recieves the following.

Games & Gears Ichiban Pro Studio Line Brushes, G&G Case, Ichiban G&G DVD, G&G Ichiban Masters Towel Limited edition.
X1 for the £30 pledge.
£50 Super Innovators pledge get two of everything.

The most innovative thing i think in this project is the Backdrops for taking photos of your mini's.

A3 size x1: £6.00GBP
A3 size x2: £10.00GBP
A3 Size x3: £15.00GBP

A2 Size x1: £10.00GBP
A2 Size x2: £18.00GBP
A2 Size x3: £27.00GBP


Panic..

That's actually a really nifty idea for keeping the brushes intact while travelling with them. While I already have plenty of brushes and won't be backing this one, I can attest to the quality of the brushes, well worth the money!

If this KS is anything like the last one, I would bet on quite a few more brushes being added to the pledge levels once some stretch goals are reached. I seem to remember ending up with around 9 or 10 really nice brushes by the end of their last project (plus a random bar of soap and a dishcloth).

Well these brushes have impressed me enough to back my first kickstarter campaign. Only wish they would do a 000 or 0000 size brush.

I'm sorry. .. almost 60 usd for 4 brushes?

Ill carry on with cheapies...

I never understand why campaigns launch when they could just wait one more month to have their prior campaign complete. The battle boards should be shipping by mid-May, right? I wish you had waited...

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I'm sorry. .. almost 60 usd for 4 brushes?

Ill carry on with cheapies...

Quality brushes are totally worth the money.

Of course, whether these will end up being quality brushes or not is a separate question...

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I'm sorry. .. almost 60 usd for 4 brushes?

Ill carry on with cheapies...

These brushes will last a lot longer than your cheapos, even if you don't transport them anywhere

As these are new brushes to the market (otherwise why the KS?) we cannot judge their quality in any way at all yet.

 azreal13 wrote:
As these are new brushes to the market (otherwise why the KS?) we cannot judge their quality in any way at all yet.

they're not GW brushes, so they look good.

 azreal13 wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I'm sorry. .. almost 60 usd for 4 brushes?

Ill carry on with cheapies...

Quality brushes are totally worth the money.

Of course, whether these will end up being quality brushes or not is a separate question...

Yup, we're totally gambling on Ichiban not selling out his name here...

The original G&G brushes were nice - for their price.

From the reviews I've read this morning, the last batch of G&G brushes are nicer than Army Builder, Citadel, or P3 brushes but not as good as Rosemary&Co or W&N 7s.

10 - 12 USD for a brush is probably competitive, assuming the aluminum handle does not (somehow) turn out to be a disadvantage.

 sing your life wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
As these are new brushes to the market (otherwise why the KS?) we cannot judge their quality in any way at all yet.

they're not GW brushes, so they look good.

Neither are the ones for house painting I can get at B+Q, I'd still not want to go near a mini with one!

While I'm not wishing failure on the project or anything, I really don't see how ordering an item on faith which is traditionally bought based on reputation and having product 'in hand' is a particularly efficient use of the advantages of a Kickstarter?

Those brushes I've not bought from a shop and examined in person have all been brands that are almost universally praised (W+N, Rosemary and Co, Raphael etc.) To ask W+N prices for an, as yet, unknown quantity, especially when the reviews I'd seen for their previous brushes, while not awful, were seldom effusive either, just seems a bit of an odd thing to Kickstart.

Those are not W&N prices -- or, if you can get W&N brushes for that cheap, please let me know how because I will order them.

EDIT

Not classy to post a link to the competition in someone else's thread, Manchu, I'll PM it to you.

Yeah, that's my take... I wasn't willing to bet that these would be so good as to order them (well in advance) over a Windsor & Newton brush. I just used Windsor & Newton brushes for the first time this year, and they're amazing!

Previously I've used GW and Vallejo brushes. But I think I'll be sticking to the Windsor & Newton brushes from now on.

 sing your life wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
As these are new brushes to the market (otherwise why the KS?) we cannot judge their quality in any way at all yet.

they're not GW brushes, so they look good.

Honestly, GW brushes are the best ones I've used. I prefer the more delicate handles to W&N and the quality is better than army painter.

These do look very nice though, the storage solution is the best I've seen.

I don't know if they've been re-done since the new paint range, but when I returned to painting I bought some on the thinking "they may be pricey, but at least the quality will be there" and found them atrocious, one barely lasted 6 weeks before looking like my hair first thing in the morning.

 Manchu wrote:
Those are not W&N prices -- or, if you can get W&N brushes for that cheap, please let me know how because I will order them.

W&N set of 4 brushes (0, 1, 2, 3) in the UK is GBP 34.50

http://www.artsupplies.co.uk/item-winsor-&-newton-series-7-brush-set-(4).htm

Ichiban set of those 4 brushes (00, 0, 1, 2) is GBP 30 (non-early bird)

Not that far apart. W&N has the "guaranteed" quality and no waiting for it to be shipped. Ichiban has the fancy storage stuff, possibly stretch goals and the warm "kickstarter-support" feeling.

Probably a coin-toss as to what you want.

azreal13 wrote:EDIT

Not classy to post a link to the competition in someone else's thread, Manchu, I'll PM it to you.

Zweischneid wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Those are not W&N prices -- or, if you can get W&N brushes for that cheap, please let me know how because I will order them.

W&N set of 4 brushes (0, 1, 2, 3) in the UK is GBP 34.50

http://www.artsupplies.co.uk/item-winsor-&-newton-series-7-brush-set-(4).htm

Ichiban set of those 4 brushes (00, 0, 1, 2) is GBP 30 (non-early bird)

Not that far apart. W&N has the "guaranteed" quality and no waiting for it to be shipped. Ichiban has the fancy storage stuff, possibly stretch goals and the warm "kickstarter-support" feeling.

Probably a coin-toss as to what you want.

Zwei, you're an endless source of entertainment!

To be fair to Zwei there were lots of alternatives posted in the GW tools thread with no complaints from anybody (when cheaper alternatives were suggested)

so when people have actually asked it seems unreasonable to object here

 sing your life wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I'm sorry. .. almost 60 usd for 4 brushes?

Ill carry on with cheapies...

These brushes will last a lot longer than your cheapos, even if you don't transport them anywhere

They'd have to last 30 times as long as the pretty awesome nail salon brush sets I stumbled into. Plus I don't trust myself enough to take care of brushes that nice lol.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
To be fair to Zwei there were lots of alternatives posted in the GW tools thread with no complaints from anybody (when cheaper alternatives were suggested)

so when people have actually asked it seems unreasonable to object here

Ah, my bad, G+G have posted here in the past, so I'd assumed they'd created the thread, and I draw a line between posting about stuff in a thread about a company and posting in a thread that has been created BY a company.

I stand by my point though, Zwei is endlessly entertaining!

yeah,

 Zweischneid wrote:

W&N set of 4 brushes (0, 1, 2, 3) in the UK is GBP 34.50
http://www.artsupplies.co.uk/item-winsor-&-newton-series-7-brush-set-(4).htm
Ichiban set of those 4 brushes (00, 0, 1, 2) is GBP 30 (non-early bird)
Not that far apart. W&N has the "guaranteed" quality and no waiting for it to be shipped. Ichiban has the fancy storage stuff, possibly stretch goals and the warm "kickstarter-support" feeling.
Probably a coin-toss as to what you want.

Lets not forget postage.


I do agree that it's buying on faith.
They have delivered the regular brushes on time and I've enjoyed using them.

That and I like the warm fuzzy feeling...

Panic...

KS does indeed make me feel all cuddly inside (and poor on the outside)

W&N set of 4 brushes (0, 1, 2, 3) in the UK is GBP 34.50

http://www.artsupplies.co.uk/item-winsor-&-newton-series-7-brush-set-(4).htm

Ichiban set of those 4 brushes (00, 0, 1, 2) is GBP 30 (non-early bird)

Not that far apart. W&N has the "guaranteed" quality and no waiting for it to be shipped. Ichiban has the fancy storage stuff, possibly stretch goals and the warm "kickstarter-support" feeling.

You can also find them cheap on ebay apparantly.

I backed the brushes kickstarter and I was unimpressed. The only significant advantage I saw was that I effectively got 14 brushes for £25 so I wasn't exactly going to complain. I think the thing with it is I can walk into town and buy a GW brush set, or a W&N set and have them today. I can check everythings alright with them and both will happily replace any defects straight away.

Oh, and the file sets a joke. Other companies sell the same thing for cheaper without branding.

My only concern would be about how these brushes felt in my hand, they seem a bit thick.

 azreal13 wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I'm sorry. .. almost 60 usd for 4 brushes?

Ill carry on with cheapies...

Quality brushes are totally worth the money.

Of course, whether these will end up being quality brushes or not is a separate question...

Quality brushes are worth the money, but you can get quality brushes cheaper than this. Rosemary & Co, for example; you could get a 00, 0, 1 & 2 from them in pure kolinsky sable for around £18 including UK P&P, and you can choose from several different types of brush shape. I wish these guys all the best, but we just had a nice long thread of(entirely justifiably) slagging off GW because they expect to overcharge purely based on branding for tools you can get elsewhere for much less, and while this KS certainly isn't being as ludicrous as GW, it's a matter of degree.

Frankly I'm surprised how people are so willing to part with their money on an unproved product like a paint brush? It's even weirder given how
the reviews I've read about G&G's previous venture into the brushes have not been good...

This here is a must read by Meg Maples (studio painter for privateer press) on painting with focus on brushes.
Everything you need to know about brushes from a pro. Even a comparison between brands.

http://arcanepaintworks.blogspot.se/2013/12/all-about-brushes.html

Here is a good review with tests and a comparison from a self confessed amateur.

http://dropshipstudio.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/games-gears-studio-brush-review/

I'd need to read a review of improved quality compared to their prior efforts before I'd buy.

Has anyone heard whether these are Kolinsky sable or red sable hair brushes?

What does "High Quality Sable Hair" mean?

This is a cool idea, but the thickness of the brushes looks like it would be really uncomfortable.