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2014/04/28 14:06:08
Subject: Re:I like punk, don't know where to start.
feeder wrote: Gogol Bordello are fething awesome. Everyone should like Gogol Bordello.
Agreed, seeing them towards the end of July, cannot wait! I'll be wearing purple
London Calling by The Clash is pretty much Punk's greatest moment, in my opinion.
I'm impartial to Combat Rock personally, though London Calling was truly a punk masterpiece.
Combat Rock is also worth a listen. Interesting album for its mix of "mainstream" punk tracks such as "Rock the Casbah" alongside more "risky" tracks like "Straight to Hell" and "Ghetto Defendant".
Ah, I should read the whole post before I comment lol.
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2014/04/28 19:59:55
Subject: Re:I like punk, don't know where to start.
Yeah Combat Rock is a mixed bag in terms of quality like there's a few really good songs on it like "Rock the Casbah", "Know Your Rights" and "Straight to Hell" but a lot of the other songs full flat imo, London Calling (one of my favourite albums of all time) and The Clash (I like both the US
and UK version) are the band's best albums imo. Give 'Em Enough Rope has a few standouts to like "Tommy Gun".
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Well, I think songs falling flat is true of most albums
(except The Gaslight Anthem, thus far I can't say that there are any songs off their albums that don't resonate with me in some way), its just a question of how many... In retrospect I suppose I'm looking at it through rose tinted glasses (or something) as Straight to Hell is my all time favorite song of theirs lol, and Rock the Casbah I guess is their most iconic in terms of the songs that everyone in my generation knows them for.
Other than Ghetto Defendant and Know Your Rights, it does have "Should I Stay or Should I Go" which is another popular piece, though the remaining 7 songs aren't really all that memorable to me.
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2014/04/28 20:30:01
Subject: Re:I like punk, don't know where to start.
Agreed, seeing them towards the end of July, cannot wait! I'll be wearing purple
Let us know if your sanity and wits reappear! I'm hoping they tour near me this year.
Here is one of my favorite punk bands Rancid. They have twenty years of music to listen to, and are a great example of the Clash and Ramones influenced punk. Their style is more classic punk with quite a bit of ska punk later. Two of the members of Rancid were in the influential ska punk act Operation Ivy (excellent band, check them out too.)
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- Rancid (surprised no one had added them yet)
- The Briggs
- Lars Frederikson and the Bastards
- Street Dogs
- Lower Class Brats
- Authority Zero
- The Causalities (awesome hardcore punk)
- The Adolescents (another flippin' great band)
- The Lillingtons
-Teenage Bottlerocket
- The Krays
- Boris the Sprinkler
- GBH
- Against Me! (their older stuff)
- The Dwarves
- Masked Intruder
If you like punk, you might also check out some ska bands
- Reel Big Fish
- The Toasters
-The Mad Caddies
- Big D and the Kids Table
- The Voodoo Glow Skulls (hardcore ska)
- Mustard Plug
- Less Than Jake
- Mighty Might Boss Tones
- The Suicide Machines (their earlier stuff was more ska)
And then there's psychobilly bands liks
- Reverend Horton Heat
- The Nekromantics
- The Horrorpops
- The Cramps
- Tiger Army
- The Living End
- Zombie Ghost Train
- The Stray Cats
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And then there's psychobilly bands liks
- Reverend Horton Heat
- The Nekromantics
- The Horrorpops
- The Cramps
- Tiger Army
- The Living End
- Zombie Ghost Train
- The Stray Cats
Woah, woah, woah, one step at a time, the kids new to this, we gotta ease him in, don't want to overwhelm him and scare him off, right?
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
some interesting suggestions. Much as I love Television, I'd describe them more as New York New Wave than punk but, hey, it's only a label.
One thing though; punk was never really about albums. The Sex Pistols were really a singles band, not an albums band. So before you consider any/all of the above, you need something like This..
And further down the line, you need this. Selected by Lenny Kaye, Patti Smith's guitarist.
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Most punk bands were singles oriented but that doesn't mean that some of them made really good albums either.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Television's "Marquee Moon" is usually classified as art punk and post-punk I've never seen anyone describe it as New Wave though, that being said when Punk started to emerge in New York and the UK scene a lot of people would use "New Wave" and "Punk Rock" interchangeably,
nowadays they're aren't considered the same thing although they did influence each other, both came about at around the same time, often came from the same scene and have some similarities. I also feel by leaving "New Wave" out of the discussion would in some ways reduce the
impact that "Punk Rock" has on the music world and this discussion.
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feeder wrote: Obtain the Sex Pistols "Never Mind the Bollocks" and NOFX "Punk in Drublic."
Those two records are the greatest examples of UK and US style punk. Other records are either "influences on" early punk (the Clash, Iggy and the Stooges), or "influenced by" punk (Nirvana, the White Stripes), or just not as good (all the other punk bands)
There is lots of decent punk out there. AFI was a good punk band back in the early 90's.
I would argue "Ramones" by Ramones is the best US punk album (there are few other US punk albums that I feel are maybe on par with it) that album is just pure energy full of poppy hooks, shouted vocals, short songs, no guitar solos, silliness, smart bold writing, speed, minimalism,
aggression, etc and is just as influential as "Never mind the Bullocks, Here's the Sex Pistols" for many people Ramones was like the Beatles to them. But then again Ramones is my favourite band (with The Clash being an extremely close second) so I maybe be biased.
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chaos0xomega wrote: Well, I think songs falling flat is true of most albums
(except The Gaslight Anthem, thus far I can't say that there are any songs off their albums that don't resonate with me in some way), its just a question of how many... In retrospect I suppose I'm looking at it through rose tinted glasses (or something) as Straight to Hell is my all time favorite song of theirs lol, and Rock the Casbah I guess is their most iconic in terms of the songs that everyone in my generation knows them for.
Other than Ghetto Defendant and Know Your Rights, it does have "Should I Stay or Should I Go" which is another popular piece, though the remaining 7 songs aren't really all that memorable to me.
Generally I tend to only listen to albums that have top quality songs from beginning to end (no filler), but I can understand people who are more reasonable than I to be much more forgiving with music.
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mega_bassist wrote: And then there's psychobilly bands liks
- Reverend Horton Heat
- The Nekromantics
- The Horrorpops
- The Cramps
- Tiger Army
- The Living End
- Zombie Ghost Train
- The Stray Cats
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feeder wrote: Obtain the Sex Pistols "Never Mind the Bollocks" and NOFX "Punk in Drublic."
Those two records are the greatest examples of UK and US style punk. Other records are either "influences on" early punk (the Clash, Iggy and the Stooges), or "influenced by" punk (Nirvana, the White Stripes), or just not as good (all the other punk bands)
There is lots of decent punk out there. AFI was a good punk band back in the early 90's.
I would argue "Ramones" by Ramones is the best US punk album (there are few other US punk albums that I feel are maybe on par with it) that album is just pure energy full of poppy hooks, silliness, smart bold writing, speed, minimalism, aggression, etc and is just as influntial as "Nevermind the Bullocks, Here's the Sex Pistols" for many people Ramones was like the Beatles to them. But then again Ramones is my favourite band (with The Clash being an extremely close second) so I maybe be biased.
I'll totally agree with the "Ramones" being huge for the American punk scene. Definitely paved the way for pop-punk, and helping spawn several sub-genres. I swear, there's just as many punk categories as metal categories
mega_bassist wrote: And then there's psychobilly bands liks
- Reverend Horton Heat
- The Nekromantics
- The Horrorpops
- The Cramps
- Tiger Army
- The Living End
- Zombie Ghost Train
- The Stray Cats
mega_bassist wrote: I'll totally agree with the "Ramones" being huge for the American punk scene. Definitely paved the way for pop-punk, and helping spawn several sub-genres. I swear, there's just as many punk categories as metal categories
Yeah, punk rock is quite diverse at times even a lot of stuff that is not punk rock like alternative rock many of the bands from that genre were influenced by punk rock and quite a few heavy metal acts have been influenced by punk too like Motorhead is a more obvious example.
2014/04/29 08:22:10
Subject: Re:I like punk, don't know where to start.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Ramones and Blitzkrieg Bop will get me jumping any day of the week. But they really only have one song.
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Never heard of The Dead Milkmen, but if you consider Primus 'punk' then I have some lovely oceanfront property in Wyoming to sell you
Really though, Primus isn't at all Punk, like some bands, like Taking Back Sunday, you might be able to make an argument for... not Primus. They're too experimental and funky and also too technically skilled
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
I'm cool with Danzig and Samhain...but I just can't get into the Misfits. They just...ugh. I'll leave it at that.
The Dead Milkmen are cool! They have some great/funny songs. One of their popular songs is "Bitchin' Camaro"; you should check it out. Fugazi and Bad Brains are both neat, but I haven't heard a lot by them. My roommate is HUGE into Bad Brains.
And Primus...definitely isn't punk. They're just Primus
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I do love how some posters have put Iggy Pop in with early-punk bands, as well as post-punk lists
But then, I guess if you get a great song like "Be your dog" in the late 60s, and then "Lust for life" in the 80s or 90s, it's ok to put him wherever you damn well please
I like Winona's Big Brown Beaver, and some of Primus' songs, too.
I'm impartial to Mr. Krinkle. Dat Bassline doe...
Ensis Ferrae wrote: I do love how some posters have put Iggy Pop in with early-punk bands, as well as post-punk lists
But then, I guess if you get a great song like "Be your dog" in the late 60s, and then "Lust for life" in the 80s or 90s, it's ok to put him wherever you damn well please
The dude is pretty prolific lol
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: I do love how some posters have put Iggy Pop in with early-punk bands, as well as post-punk lists
But then, I guess if you get a great song like "Be your dog" in the late 60s, and then "Lust for life" in the 80s or 90s, it's ok to put him wherever you damn well please
But then he made annoying insurance adverts... Why Iggy, why?
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There have been some good recommendations so far and also quite a few I disagree with (I can't stand Rancid, Good Charlotte, Lars Frederikson and the Bastards, and a couple others people have listed. I'll add some of my own, and expand on a few that have been mentioned.
Bad Religion: Hands down my favorite band of all time and I don't even listen to punk rock that much any more. I would definitely look in to their earlier work from the 80s; their first album is How Could Hell Be Any Worse and current pressings of it include a couple of 7 inches they put out between 1980 and 1985 (not including Into The Unknown) before they went on hiatus. Their late 80s post-hiatus stuff is amazing too; Suffer is considered a seminal punk album and pretty much one of the major inspirations to third-wave punk and No Control is, in my opinion, their best album. It takes everything they did on Suffer and made it faster and better.
My War-era Black Flag: The b-side to that record is a mix of metal and punk and a huge influence on just about every doom and sludge metal band.
Melvins: Punk-inspired sludge metal; check out the album Houdini .
Swans: A currently active no wave band from the 80s. Their early releases were noisy and brutal and their later post-reformation material is amazing.
His Hero Is Gone: Crust punk from Tennessee. Check out the albums Fifteen Counts of Arson and Monument to Thieves.
Tragedy: More crust punk with members from His Hero Is Gone; loud, fast, melodic, and awesome.
If I think of some more I'll add them later.
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: I do love how some posters have put Iggy Pop in with early-punk bands, as well as post-punk lists
But then, I guess if you get a great song like "Be your dog" in the late 60s, and then "Lust for life" in the 80s or 90s, it's ok to put him wherever you damn well please
But then he made annoying insurance adverts... Why Iggy, why?
Because mad props from random gluesniffers (and millionaire imitators) doesn't pay the bills?
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
- Rancid (surprised no one had added them yet)
- The Briggs
- Lars Frederikson and the Bastards
- Street Dogs
- Lower Class Brats
- Authority Zero
- The Causalities (awesome hardcore punk)
- The Adolescents (another flippin' great band)
- The Lillingtons
-Teenage Bottlerocket
- The Krays
- Boris the Sprinkler
- GBH
- Against Me! (their older stuff)
- The Dwarves
- Masked Intruder
If you like punk, you might also check out some ska bands
- Reel Big Fish
- The Toasters
-The Mad Caddies
- Big D and the Kids Table
- The Voodoo Glow Skulls (hardcore ska)
- Mustard Plug
- Less Than Jake
- Mighty Might Boss Tones
- The Suicide Machines (their earlier stuff was more ska)
And then there's psychobilly bands liks
- Reverend Horton Heat
- The Nekromantics
- The Horrorpops
- The Cramps
- Tiger Army
- The Living End
- Zombie Ghost Train
- The Stray Cats
Your list needs something...
Dragonforce
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Never heard of The Dead Milkmen, but if you consider Primus 'punk' then I have some lovely oceanfront property in Wyoming to sell you
Really though, Primus isn't at all Punk, like some bands, like Taking Back Sunday, you might be able to make an argument for... not Primus. They're too experimental and funky and also too technically skilled
mega_bassist wrote:I'm cool with Danzig and Samhain...but I just can't get into the Misfits. They just...ugh. I'll leave it at that.
The Dead Milkmen are cool! They have some great/funny songs. One of their popular songs is "Bitchin' Camaro"; you should check it out. Fugazi and Bad Brains are both neat, but I haven't heard a lot by them. My roommate is HUGE into Bad Brains.
And Primus...definitely isn't punk. They're just Primus
I agree that Primus is just....Primus. But I have always associated them as having a pseudo post-punk sound. I think it is because of
a) their starting about the same time as the Offspring
b) had first hit about same time as Offspring and Bad Religion
and
c)that when I make a playlist with "Johnny was a race car driver" or "Winona has a big brown beaver" these songs are always surrounded by punk songs from the same time frame.
As to The dead Milkmen....I've always equated them as the "Ugly Kid Joe" of punk rock. Basically a group with a decent sound, great sense of humor and never take themselves to seriously.
2014/04/30 02:30:59
Subject: Re:I like punk, don't know where to start.
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