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2014/04/28 19:20:38
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
easysauce wrote: Am I the only one who sees parralells between super dense pig farms and cities (super dense people farms)?
So what you're really telling me is that, not only will Soylent Green be the Greenest of Green foods, it'll be delicious?
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2014/04/28 20:36:23
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
easysauce wrote: Am I the only one who sees parralells between super dense pig farms and cities (super dense people farms)?
So what you're really telling me is that, not only will Soylent Green be the Greenest of Green foods, it'll be delicious?
well, it is everyones favorite soylent! (Am I the only one who still wonders whats in soylent yellow and red? I think it could be worse then people...)
I mean, there just seems to already be a disturbing trend of feeding cows/cow byproducts to cows, same with pigs and poultry ect, to the animals on an industrial scale.
generally it has been ok, but specifically it has caused some real issues (mad cow ect), but most frightfully, are not the issues we know it causes, but the ones we have not identified (or at least identified as cause by large scale livestock cannibalism)
Sure we have been using sprays for a long time, but the kind keeps changing as does the amount used.
I mean, people have been living under the sun forever, but that doesnt mean exposure is good for you.
Same with sprays, tehy most certainly do have detrimental health effects, its just that the detrimental effects of not having enough food to eat are worse, so its not considered an "issue"
2014/04/28 20:44:26
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Sure we have been using sprays for a long time, but the kind keeps changing as does the amount used.
I mean, people have been living under the sun forever, but that doesnt mean exposure is good for you.
Same with sprays, tehy most certainly do have detrimental health effects, its just that the detrimental effects of not having enough food to eat are worse, so its not considered an "issue"
Sure we have been using sprays for a long time, but the kind keeps changing as does the amount used.
I mean, people have been living under the sun forever, but that doesnt mean exposure is good for you.
Same with sprays, tehy most certainly do have detrimental health effects, its just that the detrimental effects of not having enough food to eat are worse, so its not considered an "issue"
Citation needed?
sorry, what? OBS you are trolling, not sure why.
drink a drop of pesticide, youll be "fine"... drink a quart... see how fine you are...
Google DDT if you are under the impression we never have, or will again, put a bad chemical into our own food chain.
Kilkrazy wrote: Mad Cow Disease was caused by infected bovine protein entering the bovine food chain.
Re kill crazy... whats your point? cant get infected cow meat into our food chain if we are not feeding cows infected cow meat.
Various prion diseases like mad cow are transmitted more easily through brain matter and spinal marrow/fluids. However other parts of the cow can also transmit the diseases.
Which is all well and good if you test every single scrap of cow that gets blendered into the slurry they feed them, but that just does not happen, even after the mad cow scare.
the cost of testing all that biomass is far more then just feeding them "normal" food.
So they do the whole "fight club" calculation where if the cost of the # of people who die/sue due to the contaminated food going out is less then the cost of preventing contaminated food, then they dont bother preventing it.
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2014/04/28 21:03:23
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
I know how mad cow disease was caused. Prion disease caused by feeding contaminated brain tissue to cattle. Similar conditions happen in humans- kuru, and CJD. I was looking for a citation for the statement that "sprays most certainly do have detrimental health effects".
A statement like that is pretty hard to back up.
SOME sprays might have negative health effects, but I think it's good to be specific about this stuff- DDT for example has documented harmful effects, and is therefore banned in most countries (including the US).
Edit: My reply came after your second post.
I'm pretty well aware of DDT, cheers. Not all pesticides bio accumulate.
And there is no test for prion disorders that I'm aware of, one of the reasons they are so scary.
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2014/04/28 21:08:29
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
I know how mad cow disease was caused. Prion disease caused by feeding contaminated brain tissue to cattle. Similar conditions happen in humans- kuru, and CJD. I was looking for a citation for the statement that "sprays most certainly do have detrimental health effects".
A statement like that is pretty hard to back up.
SOME sprays might have negative health effects, but I think it's good to be specific about this stuff- DDT for example has documented harmful effects, and is therefore banned in most countries (including the US).
Edit: My reply came after your second post.
I'm pretty well aware of DDT, cheers. Not all pesticides bio accumulate.
And there is no test for prion disorders that I'm aware of, one of the reasons they are so scary.
Actually its quite proven, consume X amount of sprays and you are ok, consume (y) times X amount of them and you are in bad shape.
Look up the LD 50 of your favorite pesticide and you know its got detrimental health effects.
if you dont believe me, go drink a pint of round up or any other spray you prefer and tell me you have no detrimental effects from it.
If you are correct as you assert, you will be fine.
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2014/04/28 21:16:02
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
You are off base. Drink a quart of plenty of stuff and you will be dead- no problem with that.
But in small amounts which the body can deal with, the "sprays" are not harmful, unless they accumulate in tissues. That was the issue with DDT- it accumulated in the food chain, and each trophic level got a higher and higher dose until it was lethal to things that were higher up in the chain.
Pesticides have come a long way since then- many deactivate in the soil, and I am not aware of any that accumulate in tissues that are still commonly in use. If you're worried about that- just wash your veg.
its not... you are just making things up, claiming no modern pesticides are harmfull is just silly and ignorant.
I am not straw manning you... thats your arguement, that pesticides have no proven health detriments even with "normal use" (ie eating food that it has been used on as opposed to chugging roundup)
I wouldnt call 2011 the distant past, but Im sure you want to just keep argueing that all pesticides in use are 100% ok for us to consume. Pesticides do not need to build in concentration as they move up the food chain to be considered dangerous, nor is it required to reach a harmful level of concentration.
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2014/04/28 21:41:16
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
How long before some extreme right wing blog or Alex Jones-type picks this story up and starts telling everyone that the "virus" is secretly an Obama false flag operation against pork as part of the plot to force sharia law on the US to force everyone to accept Islam?
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2014/04/28 22:37:30
Subject: Re:Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: How long before some extreme right wing blog or Alex Jones-type picks this story up and starts telling everyone that the "virus" is secretly an Obama false flag operation against pork as part of the plot to force sharia law on the US to force everyone to accept Islam?
Sounds like a leftist rant.
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2014/04/28 23:03:42
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Da Boss wrote: You are off base. Drink a quart of plenty of stuff and you will be dead- no problem with that.
But in small amounts which the body can deal with, the "sprays" are not harmful, unless they accumulate in tissues. That was the issue with DDT- it accumulated in the food chain, and each trophic level got a higher and higher dose until it was lethal to things that were higher up in the chain.
Pesticides have come a long way since then- many deactivate in the soil, and I am not aware of any that accumulate in tissues that are still commonly in use. If you're worried about that- just wash your veg.
Stop arguing against a straw man, please.
This kind of ties in with what you do or did for a living, doesn't it?
2014/04/28 23:05:15
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: How long before some extreme right wing blog or Alex Jones-type picks this story up and starts telling everyone that the "virus" is secretly an Obama false flag operation against pork as part of the plot to force sharia law on the US to force everyone to accept Islam?
Longer than it takes for Obama fans to jump to his defense over an attack they just made up.
Back to topic, please, without dragging your half assed politics into this.
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Scooty and the guy on page one are disappointed no one blames Obama about this so they can defend him.
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2014/04/28 23:15:29
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
I have noticed pretty significant price jumps on meat overall. I wonder if this explains pork, or if it's too recent to have actually reflected into the marketplace? I am sure last year's drought is still a factor.
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2014/04/28 23:22:13
Subject: Re:Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Relapse wrote: Scooty and the guy on page one are disappointed no one blames Obama about this so they can defend him.
Haha, what?
I'm hardly an Obama apologist. Don't think that because I have no sympathy for a grandstanding, lying, racist criminal/rancher from Clark County that somehow means I'm "defending" the President.
Back to topic, please, without dragging your half assed politics into this.
Now that's not very nice, is it?
My "half-assed politics" have nothing to do with the the attempted joke I made. But mark my words: there is someone out there that is convinced that this is Obama's fault.
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2014/04/28 23:23:01
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Ouze wrote: I have noticed pretty significant price jumps on meat overall. I wonder if this explains pork, or if it's too recent to have actually reflected into the marketplace? I am sure last year's drought is still a factor.
According to the article, this has been going since 2013, which makes the percentage of the hog population killed by this virus all the more alarming.
2014/04/28 23:24:40
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Not really, just not very surprised at Scooty trying to turn a fairly serious situation into an Obama blame fest.
Really? Out of the many people here making humorous posts you're going to single me out? This should help explain sarcasm a little bit:
LordofHats wrote: Pretty sure he was mocking people who turn things into Obama blame fests
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/04/28 23:31:12
Subject: Re:Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Wife and I had to go "Organic" being she has IC....I do not remember what IC stands for but she cannot have caffiene, process food, candy, soda...well Hell...anything that bad for you that taste good
I lost ten pounds going this route
30+ days in
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2014/04/28 23:34:12
Subject: Re:Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Jihadin wrote: Wife and I had to go "Organic" being she has IC....I do not remember what IC stands for but she cannot have caffiene, process food, candy, soda...well Hell...anything that bad for you that taste good
I lost ten pounds going this route
30+ days in
Farmers Market junkie now
What's really tricky for some people on gluten free diets is that the brands they buy to avoid the stuff sometimes change formulas/recipes without notice. Turns into a nasty surprise if they don't check ingredients every single time.
2014/04/28 23:47:13
Subject: Disease has wiped out 10% and counting of hogs in U.S.
Back on topic after some people decided to derail it with OT rants,
This is the result of over use of antibiotics coupled with ever increasing population density of the animals.
What I think we are likely to see is disease death rates return to previous levels before antibiotics came into play, and a larger spike in prices then the ones we have already seen.
