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 CaptainLoken wrote:
I can't wait for this edition to hit, and tick off a bunch of people. Maybe they will all leave the game, and Dakka can be a place where gamers that love Warhammer can discuss their hobby, instead of post 7 pages of moaning and complaining and threats to go to a different game....


Oh wait...what am I saying...this is the internet...

Yes, because all the complaints are JUST people whining without any reason...

 azreal13 wrote:
You can still get a June Ork book, the rumours kicking around for a new Edition in May will still be technically correct if it happens.

People are still having trouble adjusting to weekly releases I guess.

I really hope so, Orks are so overdue for a new Codex. Maybe it'll be a blessing in disguise if the Ork release follows hot on the heels of the new RB release and all of the new material and changes get rolled into the new Ork Codex.

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You can still get a June Ork book, the rumours kicking around for a new Edition in May will still be technically correct if it happens.

People are still having trouble adjusting to weekly releases I guess.

I really hope so, Orks are so overdue for a new Codex. Maybe it'll be a blessing in disguise if the Ork release follows hot on the heels of the new RB release and all of the new material and changes get rolled into the new Ork Codex.

It's just taking the Waaagh a little while to build up.

Customer Service finally wrote me back. Didn't even put a name on this. Smells of a form email sent out just to hush people's concerns:

Hello there,

Currently the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook is out of stock and I do not have a date as to when they will be back in stock right now. We will have to keep watching the Games Workshop website and White Dwarf for more information. You can still get the mini rulebook in the Dark Vengeance core set. Should you need anything else please give us a call at 1-800-394-4263 and we will work to get you helped out.


Thanks,
Games Workshop
North America Customer Services

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The WD part especially makes me laugh as if it's just "out of stock" why would the WD say anything about it!?

 CaptainLoken wrote:
I can't wait for this edition to hit, and tick off a bunch of people. Maybe they will all leave the game, and Dakka can be a place where gamers that love Warhammer can discuss their hobby, instead of post 7 pages of moaning and complaining and threats to go to a different game....

Dakka is a place where gamers who love Warhammer can discuss their hobby.

Unfortunately, some of them prefer to just gripe about the fact that other people don't currently enjoy the game as much as they do, rather than contributing with the sort of positive discussion they claim to want to see...

A forum is a collection of people all sharing their opinions. More positive discussion only happens if people contribute positively.

"We" will have to keep watching? "We don't know feth!"

 Squidbot wrote:

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You can still get a June Ork book, the rumours kicking around for a new Edition in May will still be technically correct if it happens.

People are still having trouble adjusting to weekly releases I guess.

I really hope so, Orks are so overdue for a new Codex. Maybe it'll be a blessing in disguise if the Ork release follows hot on the heels of the new RB release and all of the new material and changes get rolled into the new Ork Codex.

It's just taking the Waaagh a little while to build up.

I know ... but I'm ready to release the Waaagh right now!

 insaniak wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
Honestly, why would people expect a completely awesome new edition after only 2 years and about half of the codices are still not updated yet.

Because the only good reason for releasing a new edition after only 2 years is that they realised what a train-wreck their current edition is?

Right, because everyone spams deathstars and D weapons Might as well call DakkaDakka the voice of the tournament scene, because everything must be competitive or its utter crap.

 Squidbot wrote:
"We" will have to keep watching? "We don't know feth!"

True, I got that out of that too, but I think it's not 100% true if they're hinting the WD will have information...

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We will have to keep watching the Games Workshop website and White Dwarf for more information.

So North America's customer service gets their product information from the website and White Dwarf now?

That's hilarious.


Except I don't think 'hilarious' is actually the word that I mean.

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You can still get a June Ork book, the rumours kicking around for a new Edition in May will still be technically correct if it happens.

People are still having trouble adjusting to weekly releases I guess.

I really hope so, Orks are so overdue for a new Codex. Maybe it'll be a blessing in disguise if the Ork release follows hot on the heels of the new RB release and all of the new material and changes get rolled into the new Ork Codex.

It's just taking the Waaagh a little while to build up.

I know ... but I'm ready to release the Waaagh right now!

Please don't, I just cleaned the floor.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 CaptainLoken wrote:
I can't wait for this edition to hit, and tick off a bunch of people. Maybe they will all leave the game, and Dakka can be a place where gamers that love Warhammer can discuss their hobby, instead of post 7 pages of moaning and complaining and threats to go to a different game....


Oh wait...what am I saying...this is the internet...

Yes, because all the complaints are JUST people whining without any reason...

You can't complain that this has been the single shortest ruleset! So what that it's only been two years? That's not a legitimate complaint at all you hater!

Just say "Boy, do I love giving GW money!" and walk into your local GW store, give them their $75, and then get the hell out.

 ace101 wrote:
Right, because everyone spams deathstars and D weapons ...

'Everyone' doesn't need to. Just enough people to make the game not fun for those who don't.

The incredible imbalance inherent in the current system doesn't just hurt competitive play. It hurts casual play more. As has been discussed to death elsewhere.

 insaniak wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We will have to keep watching the Games Workshop website and White Dwarf for more information.

So North America's customer service gets their product information from the website and White Dwarf now?

That's hilarious.

Except I don't think 'hilarious' is actually the word that I mean.

I think it was more of a "subtle" hint to look at the website and the WD for more information in the future because they can't actually say. Customer Service has full access to the inventory system and all that (for order corrections and the like) so I'm willing to bet they know if something is coming or not.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We will have to keep watching the Games Workshop website and White Dwarf for more information.

So North America's customer service gets their product information from the website and White Dwarf now?

That's hilarious.

Except I don't think 'hilarious' is actually the word that I mean.

I think it was more of a "subtle" hint to look at the website and the WD for more information in the future because they can't actually say. Customer Service has full access to the inventory system and all that (for order corrections and the like) so I'm willing to bet they know if something is coming or not.

"Shut up and wait for the announcement, citizen!"

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You can still get a June Ork book, the rumours kicking around for a new Edition in May will still be technically correct if it happens.

People are still having trouble adjusting to weekly releases I guess.

I really hope so, Orks are so overdue for a new Codex. Maybe it'll be a blessing in disguise if the Ork release follows hot on the heels of the new RB release and all of the new material and changes get rolled into the new Ork Codex.

It's just taking the Waaagh a little while to build up.

I know ... but I'm ready to release the Waaagh right now!

Please don't, I just cleaned the floor.

Gak!!! That's just wrong!

 ace101 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
Honestly, why would people expect a completely awesome new edition after only 2 years and about half of the codices are still not updated yet.

Because the only good reason for releasing a new edition after only 2 years is that they realised what a train-wreck their current edition is?

Right, because everyone spams deathstars and D weapons Might as well call DakkaDakka the voice of the tournament scene, because everything must be competitive or its utter crap.

Having just spent an evening being on the receiving end of Wave Serpent spam full of Dire Avengers backed up with the Wraithknight twins, kindly, for my continued ability to post if nothing else, don't start this nonsense.

 Squidbot wrote:
"Shut up and wait for the announcement, citizen!"

If this was 1984 perhaps...but generally, yes. I did point out in reply that "out of stock" is not the same as "no longer available" on their website though.

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:
Gak!!! That's just wrong!

What? I can't be the only one who doesn't want to clean "Waaagh" out of the rug!

Want to believe!!
My wallet is putting fingers in ears and shouting lalalalala!

New starter box with a couple of my fav factions.. followed by my beloved orksies *throws money... shutup and take my money GW*

The starter set sounds like it's going to a bit thin, only 5 Marines, 5 Scouts and a character?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The starter set sounds like it's going to a bit thin, only 5 Marines, 5 Scouts and a character?

An attempt to discourage picking up multiple starters and trading with others perhaps? Goes well with the rumored incomplete rulebook. Didn't the Hobbit have an incomplete rulebook in the starter to encourage sales of the big book?

What? I can't be the only one who doesn't want to clean "Waaagh" out of the rug!

Ya know how dem Orkses iz, once da Boyz git da Waaagh built up, de gotta do sumfing wit it!

Maybe they're going to go entirely digital.
I'm kidding! Just wanted to watch that vein in your forehead throb.

 Eldarain wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The starter set sounds like it's going to a bit thin, only 5 Marines, 5 Scouts and a character?

An attempt to discourage picking up multiple starters and trading with others perhaps? Goes well with the rumored incomplete rulebook. Didn't the Hobbit have an incomplete rulebook in the starter to encourage sales of the big book?

It did, they didn't include points values so you needed the big book. Although I think they might have released a PDF or added a page to the box around the time the second movie came out to try and encourage people to buy those dusty old limited edition sets.

 Eldarain wrote:
Didn't the Hobbit have an incomplete rulebook in the starter to encourage sales of the big book?

Nope, The Hobbit had the complete book, but NO stats fore the rest of the units beside the main Hobbit characters in the movie, and what stats they did have, had no point costs. GW did after what 1 year finally give out a PDF for the point costs. Can't remember if the rest of the units were in there as well or not.

 Eldarain wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The starter set sounds like it's going to a bit thin, only 5 Marines, 5 Scouts and a character?

An attempt to discourage picking up multiple starters and trading with others perhaps? Goes well with the rumored incomplete rulebook. Didn't the Hobbit have an incomplete rulebook in the starter to encourage sales of the big book?

Brilliant!
"People are buying a ton of starter sets!"
"Well, gak, how do we stop that?"

Much as I like most of the rumored changes, I doubt they are real. My money is on the new book just getting a new cover, integrating FAQ material, and being used to boost the upcoming starter box of BA and Orks.

I also don't quite get the whole fleeing from combat thing. It seems to make most CC even weaker than before: get charged, run away (especially from orks and low-initiative armies), shoot them silly on your turn. The FOC percentage limit is also weird. No using Abaddon, Draigo and pretty much all Greater Daemons at 2000 and lower?

Lots of it is plain common sense, though. High BS no longer being so absurdly better than high WS, overwatch being less of an auto-suicide for non-power weapon CC armies, making Move Through Cover help during assault...

 insaniak wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
Honestly, why would people expect a completely awesome new edition after only 2 years and about half of the codices are still not updated yet.

Because the only good reason for releasing a new edition after only 2 years is that they realised what a train-wreck their current edition is?

Well. Sadly it has to be pointed out that with GW's falling profits they might of just felt they needed a new edition to drive sales up.

Thow it seems to me that the community as a whole has rejected escalation as part of the "standard game". So to me the question is if GW will keep trying to force broken apoc units into 40k.

I will be satisfied if if the new rulebook unequivocally states that "no 2++ rerollable save can be taken ever".

I played in two tourni in the last two weeks. Been having the most fun playing 40k that i have had in a long time. Dakkaites are so focused in seeing only the negative when it comes to discussing GW.