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 xttz wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
So, we have 10 pages of doomsaying, speculation, premature ragequits and panic based on the fact that the core book is currently unavailable..? Good thing thing that 40k radio actually said that a new edition will be coming shortly, otherwise this would seem a bit silly.

I'm hearing elsewhere that there was a UK GW managers meeting yesterday, during which they were told to remove 6E rulebook from shelves in preparation for a new one at the end of May. Unsurprisingly, this isn't a popular move even among store managers, as they know how much of a customer backlash will be heading their way.
They've also been told to continue selling Dark Vengeance, but once the new BRB drops they have to put a sticker on the box that says the rules inside aren't current.

I thought most of the dark vengeance boxes were sent back to HQ a few weeks ago? I'm sure I saw a thread about something to that effect, though I may be mistaken...

Edit: no, most of them we're meant to be taken off shelves apparently http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/confirmed-dark-vengeance-is-going-away.html?m=1

Perhaps each store held on to a few for the gap period, or they decided to just keep DV being sold in the end...

 Maddermax wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
So, we have 10 pages of doomsaying, speculation, premature ragequits and panic based on the fact that the core book is currently unavailable..? Good thing thing that 40k radio actually said that a new edition will be coming shortly, otherwise this would seem a bit silly.

I'm hearing elsewhere that there was a UK GW managers meeting yesterday, during which they were told to remove 6E rulebook from shelves in preparation for a new one at the end of May. Unsurprisingly, this isn't a popular move even among store managers, as they know how much of a customer backlash will be heading their way.
They've also been told to continue selling Dark Vengeance, but once the new BRB drops they have to put a sticker on the box that says the rules inside aren't current.

I thought most of the dark vengeance boxes were sent back to HQ a few weeks ago? I'm sure I saw a thread about something to that effect, though I may be mistaken...

If I recall correctly, that was only for some of the non-English versions in central Europe (such as Dutch / German). UK/US editions weren't affected.

Jimmy Ellwood over at Warseer wrote:Just seen an email sent to all GW store managers at 8.40pm last night advising them to remove the 40k rulebook from their stores on Wednesday as it isn't to be sold anymore. If customers ask for it they are to advise them to check out white dwarf.

All the UK store managers are in their managers meeting today so I am sure will be getting their full brief on what is happening.

lethlis over at Warseer wrote:I am interested in seeing that the psychic cards were pulled as well. Implies that they are doing an overhaul of the powers. Probably reduce the power of diviniation a little bit or change the language and probably increase the powers of other lores.

latro over at Warseer wrote:I'd laugh if it was the same book they just changed Imperial Guard to 'Astra Militarum'

 xttz wrote:

 Maddermax wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
So, we have 10 pages of doomsaying, speculation, premature ragequits and panic based on the fact that the core book is currently unavailable..? Good thing thing that 40k radio actually said that a new edition will be coming shortly, otherwise this would seem a bit silly.

I'm hearing elsewhere that there was a UK GW managers meeting yesterday, during which they were told to remove 6E rulebook from shelves in preparation for a new one at the end of May. Unsurprisingly, this isn't a popular move even among store managers, as they know how much of a customer backlash will be heading their way.
They've also been told to continue selling Dark Vengeance, but once the new BRB drops they have to put a sticker on the box that says the rules inside aren't current.

I thought most of the dark vengeance boxes were sent back to HQ a few weeks ago? I'm sure I saw a thread about something to that effect, though I may be mistaken...

If I recall correctly, that was only for some of the non-English versions in central Europe (such as Dutch / German). UK/US editions weren't affected.

Ah, fair enough... Seems rather odd though, in the circumstance.

 Pacific wrote:


Haha no right, it will be a minor update which fixes some things and breaks others, but most importantly necessitates every player of the game buying a boxset or rulebook from them. Rince, cycle, repeat.

GW unilateral rules writing 101!

 Kroothawk wrote:

Jimmy Ellwood over at Warseer wrote:Just seen an email sent to all GW store managers at 8.40pm last night advising them to remove the 40k rulebook from their stores on Wednesday as it isn't to be sold anymore. If customers ask for it they are to advise them to check out white dwarf.

Oh, GW when will you realise the internet is a thing now? Do you really think your customers are going to be so naive to buy such an obviously bs explanation?

So what word do we have on assault changes?

 SHUPPET wrote:
So what word do we have on assault changes?

Until photos start to appear, all we know is that a new book is coming. Anyone claiming to know specific rules without evidence may as well be writing Pancake V2.

I expect the first concrete details we'll see will be a general summary of changes in a leaked White Dwarf.

Jimmy Ellwood over at Warseer wrote:Just seen an email sent to all GW store managers at 8.40pm last night advising them to remove the 40k rulebook from their stores on Wednesday as it isn't to be sold anymore. If customers ask for it they are to advise them to check out white dwarf.

Say what you will about Games Workshops previous business strategies, but this is the first time I've actually felt personally offended.

 fishy bob wrote:

Jimmy Ellwood over at Warseer wrote:Just seen an email sent to all GW store managers at 8.40pm last night advising them to remove the 40k rulebook from their stores on Wednesday as it isn't to be sold anymore. If customers ask for it they are to advise them to check out white dwarf.

Say what you will about Games Workshops previous business strategies, but this is the first time I've actually felt personally offended.

Indeed. Whilst I'm not offended as frankly nothing GW does surprises me now, but in the past when a new edition was imminent they have put stickers on the old rulebooks informing customers, or gave them a voucher to redeem for the new book as with the case of 6th to 7th WHFB.

Now? Nothing.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 fishy bob wrote:

Jimmy Ellwood over at Warseer wrote:Just seen an email sent to all GW store managers at 8.40pm last night advising them to remove the 40k rulebook from their stores on Wednesday as it isn't to be sold anymore. If customers ask for it they are to advise them to check out white dwarf.

Say what you will about Games Workshops previous business strategies, but this is the first time I've actually felt personally offended.

Indeed. Whilst I'm not offended as frankly nothing GW does surprises me now, but in the past when a new edition was imminent they have put stickers on the old rulebooks informing customers, or gave them a voucher to redeem for the new book as with the case of 6th to 7th WHFB.

Now? Nothing.

But... a voucher is a discount, and GW cannot and will not and must not give discounts, because that would be disrespectful to the customers (didn't Kirby say something to that effect?) since they will pay what is worth.

I have to say I'm chuckling right now. If just enough changes to force buying a new book, this might end very badly for GW, although I love on other sites seeing the same crowd of "GW is doing everything right, it's just the internet whining!" people justifying this as good.

I really do hope they fix 40k, but holding my breath because they don't seem to even get the real problem and just keep trotting out that "forge the narrative" line of gak when ironically their shoddy rules hurt playing narrative games just as much, if not more, than competitive games.

 xttz wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
So what word do we have on assault changes?

Until photos start to appear, all we know is that a new book is coming. Anyone claiming to know specific rules without evidence may as well be writing Pancake V2..

I can only imagine what some of those inspired changes could be....

Assault charges are now 2d6-2d6. So you can actually roll and get a negative charge amount and thus fall back.

Powerfists are now 2x divided by 2.

You must wait 3 turns before assaulting out of a vehicle.

Matt Ward may make up rules on the fly and they become canon in game. A legion of scribes will be given over to this task as C.S. Goto isn't doing anything right now.

Consolidate into another combat and fix battle brothers.

Stormbreed wrote:
Consolidate into another combat and fix battle brothers.

I wonder what they felt was wrong in 6th edition for such a quick edition change. Personally i think 6th was decent. However rumour is they are pullling the psychic cards which likely means psychic powers are being overhauled.

Personally i rather have minor changes to 6th edition fixing some of the more abusive issues. And since i dont expect a major overhaul I have decent expectations that this update will fix some major current issues such as allies.

gungo wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
Consolidate into another combat and fix battle brothers.

I wonder what they felt was wrong in 6th edition for such a quick edition change. Personally i think 6th was decent. However rumour is they are pullling the psychic cards which likely means psychic powers are being overhauled.

Personally i rather have minor changes to 6th edition fixing some of the more abusive issues. And since i dont expect a major overhaul I have decent expectations that this update will fix some major current issues such as allies.

They could fix allies with out a new rulebook.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 fishy bob wrote:

Jimmy Ellwood over at Warseer wrote:Just seen an email sent to all GW store managers at 8.40pm last night advising them to remove the 40k rulebook from their stores on Wednesday as it isn't to be sold anymore. If customers ask for it they are to advise them to check out white dwarf.

Say what you will about Games Workshops previous business strategies, but this is the first time I've actually felt personally offended.

Indeed. Whilst I'm not offended as frankly nothing GW does surprises me now, but in the past when a new edition was imminent they have put stickers on the old rulebooks informing customers, or gave them a voucher to redeem for the new book as with the case of 6th to 7th WHFB.

Now? Nothing.

this time theyve pulled them a month before hand rather then like the codecies still being sold up till the last minute... so ill take this as an bonus.

 loki old fart wrote:

gungo wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
Consolidate into another combat and fix battle brothers.

I wonder what they felt was wrong in 6th edition for such a quick edition change. Personally i think 6th was decent. However rumour is they are pullling the psychic cards which likely means psychic powers are being overhauled.

Personally i rather have minor changes to 6th edition fixing some of the more abusive issues. And since i dont expect a major overhaul I have decent expectations that this update will fix some major current issues such as allies.

They could fix allies with out a new rulebook.

Imagine the wave of the future where any rule changes that were done with FAQs now must involve purchasing a new book to fix....

I just heard about this from chatter at my FLGS. I can't believe they would release a new edition after only two years, that's insane.
A new starter box I'd understand, as the dark angels / Chaos mini's in DV, as nice as they are, are too limited. It's hard to sell the set to anyone not playing those two armies. Generic space marines vs (insert random bad guys) is much better.
But a whole new edition, invalidating all those codex's. Expecting another £45+ out of every player for a rulebook, after just two years.
GW really must be desperate.
I can't see this doing anything other than driving off a large number of players.

gungo wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
Consolidate into another combat and fix battle brothers.

I wonder what they felt was wrong in 6th edition for such a quick edition change. Personally i think 6th was decent. However rumour is they are pullling the psychic cards which likely means psychic powers are being overhauled.

Personally i rather have minor changes to 6th edition fixing some of the more abusive issues. And since i dont expect a major overhaul I have decent expectations that this update will fix some major current issues such as allies.

I think it's mainly two things: Psykers and Allies. Both seems badly broken right now.

And if they had to fix that, they might as well relaunch 40K as Apocalyspe-light with Escalation now being the default game-type.

 WarOne wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

gungo wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
Consolidate into another combat and fix battle brothers.

I wonder what they felt was wrong in 6th edition for such a quick edition change. Personally i think 6th was decent. However rumour is they are pullling the psychic cards which likely means psychic powers are being overhauled.

Personally i rather have minor changes to 6th edition fixing some of the more abusive issues. And since i dont expect a major overhaul I have decent expectations that this update will fix some major current issues such as allies.

They could fix allies with out a new rulebook.

Imagine the wave of the future where any rule changes that were done with FAQs now must involve purchasing a new book to fix....

TBH I think GW finances must be really screwed for them to push product this fast. And the quality of some of the products, re-enforces this belief.

I agree; this does seem like a cash grab (it's not even 2 years since the last one, and it's been a consisten 4-year cycle since starting), especially since it launches the weekend before the financial year. I don't expect it to be much more than a reprint, either.

 Tamereth wrote:
I just heard about this from chatter at my FLGS. I can't believe they would release a new edition after only two years, that's insane.
A new starter box I'd understand, as the dark angels / Chaos mini's in DV, as nice as they are, are too limited. It's hard to sell the set to anyone not playing those two armies. Generic space marines vs (insert random bad guys) is much better.
But a whole new edition, invalidating all those codex's. Expecting another £45+ out of every player for a rulebook, after just two years.
GW really must be desperate.
I can't see this doing anything other than driving off a large number of players.

I'll be surprised if it's only £45 when launched. If it includes all the supplements it'll probably be nearer £60/70. With a collectors edition being double that.

I'm sure they'll follow up a year later with the "just rules" book for about £35 though, for those that don't want to buy the big book.

Whether or not anyone will still be playing by that point is another matter entirely.

I ve heard about treeman with archers stationed on him like he is a living building, I ve heard of war hawks and way watchers multi kit, I ve heard about wardancers with animals faces and claws. Nope, I didn't see anything like that, sorry bout that. If I don't see a book I won't believe it. A new book is coming ok. Why did they release escalation and stronghold a couple of months ago and now they will remove them. Seriously. I don't really think so.

To make money from people buying essentially the same thing twice.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
this time theyve pulled them a month before hand rather then like the codecies still being sold up till the last minute... so ill take this as an bonus.

Agreed. It's an actual improvement of not shilling off a product they know is becoming invalid onto an unsuspecting customer base.

 avedominusnox wrote:
I ve heard about treeman with archers stationed on him like he is a living building, I ve heard of war hawks and way watchers multi kit, I ve heard about wardancers with animals faces and claws. Nope, I didn't see anything like that, sorry bout that. If I don't see a book I won't believe it. A new book is coming ok. Why did they release escalation and stronghold a couple of months ago and now they will remove them. Seriously. I don't really think so.

Thing is, you're ignoring the rapid disappearance of the existing book, and the fact that the original source for this rumour has, at this point, an almost perfect record dating back to the Marine book last year.

To address the wider point of such a quick turnaround in edition.
One has to consider that the criticisms of 6th have been loud, and more importantly, consistent, amongst the online community for some time now. People often claim that the online community is the vocal minority, but it is a fairly easy assumption to make that it is a growing minority because the one thing above all others that would make GW sit up and pay attention has happened for the first time in a long time.

Their sales have fallen

There is no point in looking at it from a gaming point of view, one has to look at it from a business point of view, and at this point, it makes a lot of sense, especially given the timing with their FYE.

The only question, in my mind, is will it be a short term cash grab or a genuine attempt to give the game a framework that it can begin to grow again.

Sadly, I know which I think is most likely, but until then, 7th is Schrodinger's Cat.

 azreal13 wrote:

 avedominusnox wrote:
I ve heard about treeman with archers stationed on him like he is a living building, I ve heard of war hawks and way watchers multi kit, I ve heard about wardancers with animals faces and claws. Nope, I didn't see anything like that, sorry bout that. If I don't see a book I won't believe it. A new book is coming ok. Why did they release escalation and stronghold a couple of months ago and now they will remove them. Seriously. I don't really think so.

Thing is, you're ignoring the rapid disappearance of the existing book, and the fact that the original source for this rumour has, at this point, an almost perfect record dating back to the Marine book last year.

To address the wider point of such a quick turnaround in edition.
One has to consider that the criticisms of 6th have been loud, and more importantly, consistent, amongst the online community for some time now. People often claim that the online community is the vocal minority, but it is a fairly easy assumption to make that it is a growing minority because the one thing above all others that would make GW sit up and pay attention has happened for the first time in a long time.

Their sales have fallen

There is no point in looking at it from a gaming point of view, one has to look at it from a business point of view, and at this point, it makes a lot of sense, especially given the timing with their FYE.

The only question, in my mind, is will it be a short term cash grab or a genuine attempt to give the game a framework that it can begin to grow again.

Sadly, I know which I think is most likely, but until then, 7th is Schrodinger's Cat.

Do GW still have the quality of staff to turn this around??

A significant issue, and I personally have my doubts.

 azreal13 wrote:
A significant issue, and I personally have my doubts.

The community guy from Mantic, James, has just gone to work as a writer, he had a hand in dreadball so he may prove a talent, obviously he wont have any involvement at all in this one, but I think beyond the names that people know there is probably still talent at lenton.

In the midst of all this though, the question I havent seen asked is a simple one.

What does this mean for Fantasy, it's been bumped off it's cycle to release a new 40K. That doesnt really bode well long term.

 insaniak wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We will have to keep watching the Games Workshop website and White Dwarf for more information.

So North America's customer service gets their product information from the website and White Dwarf now?

That's hilarious.


Except I don't think 'hilarious' is actually the word that I mean.

Actually that's not a GW exclusive problem. I was working in customer service for a large international scientific publishing house. When we wanted to know reliable release dates for our books, we looked at amazon and often customers called about some special deals we didn't know anything about.

Nothing concrete. Rulebook "No longer available", and that's all we know for certain. People feel personally offended.
Oh, internet, don't ever change.

I suspect the big change will be the complete removal of the allies matrix

GW wants people to be able to buy all their toys and use them

Allies are a source of argument about 'fluffiness' etc

So if they pull the allies matrix entirely and replace it with a simple Main army + (any other army/formation x whatever) they'll make it simpler for all those who treat GWs word as gospel