40k 7th Edition release 24th may - All info in 1st post, psychic power cards added (5/21)

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**Idolator**

clively wrote:
@L0rdF1end:

If you look across the Internet there is a LOT of moaning and negativity. Not just at GW, but aimed at pretty much every single company on the planet.

You can easily find things like people "rage quitting" pretty much anything. Just read this linked post. The feelings in that post could easily be transcribed over here with a few edits to substitute in Ward, xyz Codex, tournament players or whatever.

I don't really think that the amount of negativity has much to do with whether a company has it's own forums/public face or not. Normally rational and well adjusted adults argue, post extremely negative things and generally act like spoiled children all over the 'net. Last year my sister in law "rage quit" netflix because they didn't have some obscure movie from the 60s online. A week later she "rage quit" some shampoo company because an ingredient changed in her favorite one. It's kinda funny when you think about it.

Ultimately the hard part is sorting through real problems vs someone just being cranky. That takes a lot of patience and time which some companies, like GW, don't want to bother with.

So, she quit using a service that didn't meet her demands and quit using a product that no longer met her needs? That is funny.

**Samurai_Eduh**

Meh, if true I'll buy the collectors edition. If not, I'll keep using my old one.

I think the current state of the game is fine if you aren't playing with a tournament player.

**clively**

Idolator wrote:

Two things.

First: While that may not be the worst marketing ploy ever (new coke) it would be the worst marketing ploy since "new coke". It doesn't increase demand. They've already met the needs of those that play with the rule book. Everyone that needs one already has one. That only prevents new customers from buying their product for a month, who then have a month to spend that money elsewhere and may lose interest. Plus, it's the main rule book, not a limited release, literally everyone would know that there would only be a "last chance" if the company was going out of business.

That ploy defies reason, logic and marketing 101.

Second: Did you notice that in the quote from me that you gave. Actually says that "If a new book comes out, if there are any changes at all it will be the seventh edition printed." Right before you go into explaining that if no changes are made then it's not a different edition. On that note however, there is no way of knowing what printing any of them are as they don't list those numbers either. So unless they label it as 6.5 and they make changes, it will be the 7th edition.

Edit: If you wanted to be super picky, the small trade paperback versions are different editions.

On the first item... Yes, it would defy all reason, logic and marketing. Which, from what I've seen defines GW's behavior over the past couple of years. That said, it was meant entirely tongue in cheek. I don't actually think for a moment that even GW would do something so silly.... at least I hope they wouldn't.

On the second, you are absolutely correct in that I completely and totally misread what you posted.

So feel free to ignore my entirely ignorant post.

**ace101**

quickfuze wrote:
tag8833 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
If we're talking about Flying Circus Lists then the Nids and Daemons need to be addressed too.

Both are already addressed.

The core of tyranid flying circus is the Flyrant. You can only have one flyrant until you get to 1850 total points for the game. At that point level you can only have 2 Crones and a Harpy, but not 3 crones. Essentially Tyranid 5 FMC's become unlocked at 1850, with only 3 FMC's available in smaller games.

The Skyblight is another way to unlock more FMCs for tyranids, but it is a very expensive formation. Clocking in at 800 points. That means it is not available until you are playing a 3250 point game.

I'm not quite as familiar with Demon Flying Circus. I think it has Fateweaver, and the Lord of Change. That adds up to 530 and doesn't come available until 2250 points.

What in the world are you talking about here? 40K doesn't use a percentage based system and you can get either of those formations into MUCH smaller games. Or are you saying that they will be addressed in the new edition IF they go to percentage based like WHFB?

ausYenLoWang wrote:

where are you getting these restrictions from?????

edit: ninjad a third time tonight

Part of the rumor for the revision (not calling it a new edition) is that there will be a percentage based comp system ala WHFB (25% HQ, 50% Troops etc.). I actually agree with this sort of change, it would go a decent way to clearing the broken lists we have currently (like the Flying Circus tag883 discussed).

**joemarra052075**

My only problem with it would be that I am on a limited budget, I just started playing 8 weeks ago, and I would have to buy 2 rulebooks (my GW store says that if my daughter wants to play a game at the same time as me she needs her own book)

**Boredflak1066**

nobody wrote:
Kosake wrote:
I never understood why Rhinos were not considered assault vehicles in the first place...

The 3rd edition BA Rhino Rush still lives in many dreams and nightmares

How is this any different than the ork battle wagon/truck rushes today, or 5th edition? I don't understand why it's easier to assault from an open top vehicle then thru a door?

**-DE-**

GW has lost the plot. Go bust already and make room for companies that actually care about the rules they put out.

This isn't a marketing scheme anymore, it's pure exploitation of a dwindling consumer base. I wouldn't be surprised if the new rulebook turns out to be a one-time release limited to 1000 copies worldwide, because that's about the number of players 40K is going to have left soon.

**Idolator**

joemarra052075 wrote:
My only problem with it would be that I am on a limited budget, I just started playing 8 weeks ago, and I would have to buy 2 rulebooks (my GW store says that if my daughter wants to play a game at the same time as me she needs her own book)

GW's problem in a nutshell. Turn down a sale because you don't want to buy two.

**joemarra052075**

It's doing very well in my area. New players all the time and a steady player base.

**loki old fart**

joemarra052075 wrote:
My only problem with it would be that I am on a limited budget, I just started playing 8 weeks ago, and I would have to buy 2 rulebooks (my GW store says that if my daughter wants to play a game at the same time as me she needs her own book)

The store manager must be a jerk then. Play elsewhere.

**Grimtuff**

loki old fart wrote:
joemarra052075 wrote:
My only problem with it would be that I am on a limited budget, I just started playing 8 weeks ago, and I would have to buy 2 rulebooks (my GW store says that if my daughter wants to play a game at the same time as me she needs her own book)

The store manager must be a jerk then. Play elsewhere.

This.

Tell them to go feth themselves.

**pretre**

Boredflak1066 wrote:
nobody wrote:
Kosake wrote:
I never understood why Rhinos were not considered assault vehicles in the first place...

The 3rd edition BA Rhino Rush still lives in many dreams and nightmares

How is this any different than the ork battle wagon/truck rushes today, or 5th edition? I don't understand why it's easier to assault from an open top vehicle then thru a door?

You obviously didn't play 3rd edition.

On Turn 1, Blood Angels could drive across the board, assault you, kill the unit they assaulted and then consolidate into a fresh assault to be protected from shooting on your turn. And there wasn't a damn thing you could do about it. That's a lot different than ork BW / trukk rush.

**joemarra052075**

A. No good place else to play
B. In every other respect she is great.

What I will do if a new edition comes out is buy 1 real book, then buy the new starter box when it comes out...that will give me two books.

**Grimtuff**

pretre wrote:
Boredflak1066 wrote:
nobody wrote:
Kosake wrote:
I never understood why Rhinos were not considered assault vehicles in the first place...

The 3rd edition BA Rhino Rush still lives in many dreams and nightmares

How is this any different than the ork battle wagon/truck rushes today, or 5th edition? I don't understand why it's easier to assault from an open top vehicle then thru a door?

You obviously didn't play 3rd edition.

On Turn 1, Blood Angels could drive across the board, assault you, kill the unit they assaulted and then consolidate into a fresh assault to be protected from shooting on your turn. And there wasn't a damn thing you could do about it. That's a lot different than ork BW / trukk rush.

Only if they "failed" (lol, failed. That thing was a massive advantage) their black rage test.

**Mij'aan**

ClockworkZion wrote:
ascended_mike wrote:
Oh for gods sake, Like GW doesn't make enough money out of me? I'll inevitably end up buying it, but I certainly hope this is just an update to 6th and not a new edition entirely....

Be quite annoyed that I just bought my '6th edition Tyranids Codex'

A new edition doesn't mean a new codex for Nids to immediately follow.

No, I know.
But I was hoping the codex would exist within the current edition for at least another year or two...
I was already playing with an outdated one.

**Idolator**

joemarra052075 wrote:
A. No good place else to play
B. In every other respect she is great.

What I will do if a new edition comes out is buy 1 real book, then buy the new starter box when it comes out...that will give me two books.

Maybe, taking a little break for a while. That kind of a relationship with a seller of goods is only evidenced in one other non-essential business.

**Boredflak1066**

I’ve seen GW do a number of things over the last 30. Some of them evil and stupid and other things that make me go WOW!! That was nice of them.

I’ve seen them print rules in the White Dwarf magazines and real rule books and then change their minds 6 months later with a new rule book. The first time was with the 1.5 rules with the vehicle templates and you used the dice to shift where you targeted, then 6 months later 2nd Edition came out. Or the last time with the WD and the powerful deamon Flamer rules only to be undone with 6th Edition. Why did they do that? These were the reasons I stopped playing 40K during the 90’s and 2000’s and only came back due to the Horus Heresy novels.

I won't say anything about Finecasts, except that I'm glad that is over with.

**Pipboy101**

I am so glad that I didn't invest my time into 6th and my warmachine is thanking me. I did buy three codexs and the mini rule book to see if I wanted to jump in. Oh hell no, to many GW sharks wanting to give me pain and a slow death to my wallet with new books in what seems every month. F that.

**monders**

I can understand everyone being miffed that this edition isn't even two years old yet, but look at Mantic and Dreadball. 4 updates in what, 12 months?!

Ok I'm being flippant, but let's see what it actually has rather than forecasting doom and gloom. Not everyone will be happy, though, let's brace ourselves!

I'm half tempted to box up my 6th ed rule book and chuck it in the post without postage. I've used it three times. That'll learn 'em!

**Boredflak1066**

pretre wrote:
Boredflak1066 wrote:
nobody wrote:
Kosake wrote:
I never understood why Rhinos were not considered assault vehicles in the first place...

The 3rd edition BA Rhino Rush still lives in many dreams and nightmares

How is this any different than the ork battle wagon/truck rushes today, or 5th edition? I don't understand why it's easier to assault from an open top vehicle then thru a door?

You obviously didn't play 3rd edition.

On Turn 1, Blood Angels could drive across the board, assault you, kill the unit they assaulted and then consolidate into a fresh assault to be protected from shooting on your turn. And there wasn't a damn thing you could do about it. That's a lot different than ork BW / trukk rush.

You are right, I didn't play 3rd Edition. I have to assume the Orks and any other army could do this rush? As long as they had vehicles back then. I've heard of the constant assualt moves from a few friends.

I just don't understand why jumping out an open top vehiclle is easier than running out a door? But their are a few things in 40k that don't make sense. Vehicles can't Overwatch Fire, but Imperial Guard vehicles can now light a fire barrel on the outside of their vehicles and can release it to burn close combat troops attack their vehicles. Does that make any sense?

**joemarra052075**

I like to play and I love to paint. My GW manager is taking extra time teaching me to paint.

**Talizvar**

joemarra052075 wrote:
My only problem with it would be that I am on a limited budget, I just started playing 8 weeks ago, and I would have to buy 2 rulebooks (my GW store says that if my daughter wants to play a game at the same time as me she needs her own book)

Ahahahaha!!!!
THIS!
I REALLY wish I had a store manager say that to me... I REALLY do!

The proper response:

"Let me get this straight, my other family member or ANY person playing the game in your store must have the rulebook on them, each and every one?"
"Please consider what you will say next to prevent me from leaving and never coming back as well as telling everyone I know about this incident."
"What is your name again? I plan on confirming with your head office that this is corporate policy for GW stores."

**Loopstah**

I would be so happy if they brought back mission cards like in 2nd edition.

I can easily imagine this happening because then everyone would have to buy a pack of mission cards to go with their new pack of psychic cards and their pack of random FOC cards and their pack of narrative event cards etc...

**Puscifer**

The store staff are generally friendly and helpful.

Northampton, Stoke and Manchester are the three best stores I frequent.

Still can't beat my local FLGS though.

**inferno445**

I might try this starter set if it's cheap because I want to play Orks if I start 40k. I especially like the idea of being able to expand it a bit with the painting set. But if GW thinks they can charge $100 for this without including full rules and templates they can do something other than sell me overpriced minis.

**joemarra052075**

She lets us share if just one is playing. she only wants two if we are playing at the same time.

**vadersson**

joemarra052075 wrote:
A. No good place else to play
B. In every other respect she is great.

What I will do if a new edition comes out is buy 1 real book, then buy the new starter box when it comes out...that will give me two books.

Wow, that still seems dickish. For the love of God, if a girl wants to play give her the rulebook free! We need more female gamers.

Perhaps it is time to condsider the eBook version? How would they check if you both bought one then...

Thanks,
Duncan

**joemarra052075**

need a tablet. My daughter is almost 11.

**Idolator**

joemarra052075 wrote:
She lets us share if just one is playing. she only wants two if we are playing at the same time.

How are you sharing if only one person is playing? Does she require that every game have two BRB's present? What if two guys come in with a single BRB and two different codexes and armies? Something about this doesn't pass the smell test.

**pretre**

Boredflak1066 wrote:
You are right, I didn't play 3rd Edition. I have to assume the Orks and any other army could do this rush? As long as they had vehicles back then. I've heard of the constant assualt moves from a few friends.

Nope, other armies couldn't really do it. It had to do with turbo-boosting engines and some of the BA special rules.