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Are we or are we not panicking? Guess I should get my towel just in case I suppose.

Regardless, looks like some collaboration of what I said this morning occurred. Spiffy.

 azreal13 wrote:
There is no way I can justify that, and due to the conditions I play under I can't realistically stick with a previous edition.

This is the same situation I will be in if this comes to pass.

My previous LE 6th copy will have lasted half the time of a regular rulebook lifespan AND that new rulebook will cost about $30 more than the previous edition!

But I can't worry too much, I'm sure an Ultra-LE version of 6.5 will be right around the corner!!!

Hoping this isn't true as this would be what I consider a worst-case scenario.

With a 2-year lifespan, all copies are kind of "limited" these days.

That commissar Poster is in the middle of the new white dwarf.
(local toy shop seems to put white dwarf out for sale on whichever day it's delivered!)
Doesn't really confirm anything, but something is happening on the 24th.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Except 3.5 was a thing. It didn't include a new rulebook, it was purely white dwarf and chapter approved.

What exactly was 3.5E, and how was it different from a FAQ?

From what little I know: mostly an update to the assault rules published in the WD and later the collective Chapter Approved.

And the vehicle fire and access point rules.
Extensive FAQs to the point of ridiculousness.
Plus loads of other minor things spread across Chapter Approved.

As I said earlier. Several people round here joked that by 3rd ed's. end the only things still usable out of the basic rulebook were the WS and BS tables.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Are we or are we not panicking? Guess I should get my towel just in case I suppose.

Regardless, looks like some collaboration of what I said this morning occurred. Spiffy.

Me, I'm sticking with what I have until the new boxed game arrives, I'd buy it for Blood Angels anyway (if that turns out true) and use the rules from there if they are still in it - and I cannot see the small book being removed.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Except 3.5 was a thing. It didn't include a new rulebook, it was purely white dwarf and chapter approved.

What exactly was 3.5E, and how was it different from a FAQ?

From what little I know: mostly an update to the assault rules published in the WD and later the collective Chapter Approved.

And the vehicle fire and access point rules.
Extensive FAQs to the point of ridiculousness.
Plus loads of other minor things spread across Chapter Approved.

As I said earlier. Several people round here joked that by 3rd ed's. end the only things still usable out of the basic rulebook were the WS and BS tables.

Looks like basically the same scope (or less) but inside the rulebook this time.

I wonder if it'll get a new cover...

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Are we or are we not panicking? Guess I should get my towel just in case I suppose.

Regardless, looks like some collaboration of what I said this morning occurred. Spiffy.

Panicking about this?

Not in the slightest.

Am I very concerned that half of my current annual income is under threat, and consequently very price sensitive? Absolutely.

Am I a bit worried about the fact my car has it's annual road worthiness test tomorrow and may need cash spending in repairs and maintainence? A little bit.

But panicking about a company theoretically charging a ludicrously high % over its competitors for a similar product, which in turn is rumoured to be yet another cynical attempt to manipulate it's customers into spending yet more cash?

Not one bit, just stating my position should it come to pass.

 azreal13 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Are we or are we not panicking? Guess I should get my towel just in case I suppose.

Regardless, looks like some collaboration of what I said this morning occurred. Spiffy.

Panicking about this?

Not in the slightest.

Am I very concerned that half of my current annual income is under threat, and consequently very price sensitive? Absolutely.

Am I a bit worried about the fact my car has it's annual road worthiness test tomorrow and may need cash spending in repairs and maintainence? A little bit.

But panicking about a company theoretically charging a ludicrously high % over its competitors for a similar product, which in turn is rumoured to be yet another cynical attempt to manipulate it's customers into spending yet more cash?

Not one bit, just stating my position should it come to pass.

I think ClockworkZion was talking about the previous exchange of memes and not about your post in particular.

PhantomViper wrote:
I think ClockworkZion was talking about the previous exchange of memes and not about your post in particular.

This.

Maybe, but "panic" and "sky is falling" are used almost as often as "hate" in an effort to undermine either legitimate concern or criticism, and I was kind of contextualising how relatively minor this will be in most people's lives, but that by no means removes their right to voice concern based in the information available.

If they don't mitigate that concern with the fact that it is only rumour at this point, well more fool them.

Wouldn't it be funny if the poster for May 24 was just some AM data slates? Maybe bringing in the named characters that were taken away?

Well 3 weeks to the "I wasted 1 minute of my life for this" teaser from GW.

 azreal13 wrote:
Maybe, but "panic" and "sky is falling" are used almost as often as "hate" in an effort to undermine either legitimate concern or criticism, and I was kind of contextualising how relatively minor this will be in most people's lives, but that by no means removes their right to voice concern based in the information available.

If they don't mitigate that concern with the fact that it is only rumour at this point, well more fool them.

"Panic" and "Don't Panic" are words on the cover (there is a point in the series were it changes from the latter to the former when the company that makes the book comes under new ownership IIRC) of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in the books hence the towel reference. It felt fitting with the memes.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Maybe, but "panic" and "sky is falling" are used almost as often as "hate" in an effort to undermine either legitimate concern or criticism, and I was kind of contextualising how relatively minor this will be in most people's lives, but that by no means removes their right to voice concern based in the information available.

If they don't mitigate that concern with the fact that it is only rumour at this point, well more fool them.

"Panic" and "Don't Panic" are words on the cover (there is a point in the series were it changes from the latter to the former when the company that makes the book comes under new ownership IIRC) of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in the books hence the towel reference. It felt fitting with the memes.

Oh, I got the reference, it's just that certain words come with other connotations here on Dakka/t'internet and that's one of them.

Man, about 6 months ago, my gaming group created T-shirts with the tag line of "Ain't nobody got time for peace". They've stolen our slogan and 'grimdark-ed' it!



Lawyers inbound.

Eesh, good thing I haven't bought any books lately. On the plus side (for me,) maybe this'll mean a glut of books getting dumped for uber-cheap, so I can grab up a bunch for pictures and fluff (which is the only reason I get them!)

I'm hoping for a complete overhaul... 6th Ed is utterly unappealing to me so I'd need some substantial changes to tempt me back in

 azreal13 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Maybe, but "panic" and "sky is falling" are used almost as often as "hate" in an effort to undermine either legitimate concern or criticism, and I was kind of contextualising how relatively minor this will be in most people's lives, but that by no means removes their right to voice concern based in the information available.

If they don't mitigate that concern with the fact that it is only rumour at this point, well more fool them.

"Panic" and "Don't Panic" are words on the cover (there is a point in the series were it changes from the latter to the former when the company that makes the book comes under new ownership IIRC) of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in the books hence the towel reference. It felt fitting with the memes.

Oh, I got the reference, it's just that certain words come with other connotations here on Dakka/t'internet and that's one of them.

Fair enough. I just wanted to kill ambiguity at this point (along with any humor it had).

Well, there seems to be a lot more folks with disposable income than I and I would almost guarantee there will be a LE of 6.5 rules - and it will sell out...

Instead of spending money on product, why not put that money collectively towards buying stock in the company? Push out Kirby and appoint yourself as head

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Instead of spending money on product, why not put that money collectively towards buying stock in the company? Push out Kirby and appoint yourself as head

Isn't this a bingo square? Did I win?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Well, there seems to be a lot more folks with disposable income than I and I would almost guarantee there will be a LE of 6.5 rules - and it will sell out...

Instead of spending money on product, why not put that money collectively towards buying stock in the company? Push out Kirby and appoint yourself as head

I don't really know if the LEs will sell out. I mean the new Guard codex is still available in LE (at least in the US): http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Astra-Militarum-Limited-Edition


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 pretre wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Instead of spending money on product, why not put that money collectively towards buying stock in the company? Push out Kirby and appoint yourself as head

Isn't this a bingo square? Did I win?

No, we all lose because this idea was brought up. There are 32 Million Shares of GW stock "issued" right now. To have enough control over the company to boot Kirby you'd need in excess of half of it (so 16,320,000 to have 51% control of the company) which would cost at least 9,343,200,000 GBP.

And while you're trying to get all that together they could just split the stocks requiring you to need even more shares to gain control of the company.

In short: buying enough shares to control a company is something only people like Bill Gates can pull off in a single day.

Might want to check your figures there, UK share prices are in pennies, not GBP.

 azreal13 wrote:
Might want to check your figures there, UK share prices are in pennies, not GBP.

I don't see anything that indicates that on a number of sites that list the price.

 azreal13 wrote:
Might want to check your figures there, UK share prices are in pennies, not GBP.

Yes, not quite the 9B you're thinking there.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Might want to check your figures there, UK share prices are in pennies, not GBP.

I don't see anything that indicates that on a number of sites that list the price.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gbp.asp

"The British pound sterling is symbolized by the pound sign (£) and is nicknamed "quid." Because stocks are traded in pence (the British term for pennies), investors may see stock prices listed as pence sterling - GBX, or GBp. "

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Might want to check your figures there, UK share prices are in pennies, not GBP.

I don't see anything that indicates that on a number of sites that list the price.

Ah, well then.. it's totally a viable option for the average fan now!

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Might want to check your figures there, UK share prices are in pennies, not GBP.

Yes, not quite the 9B you're thinking there.

See, that's just asinine as there is no "P" listed anywhere saying it's in cents and not pounds. Friggin Brits.

So more like 92,289,600 GBP. Still too much for your average consumer.


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 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Might want to check your figures there, UK share prices are in pennies, not GBP.

I don't see anything that indicates that on a number of sites that list the price.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gbp.asp

"The British pound sterling is symbolized by the pound sign (£) and is nicknamed "quid." Because stocks are traded in pence (the British term for pennies), investors may see stock prices listed as pence sterling - GBX, or GBp. "

Right, but that's not listed on the actual stock exchange sites that actually LIST the prices, but on basically an investment reference site. I'm not accepting responsibility on this one.

Yeah, I don't think GW is a multi-billion dollar company

 ClockworkZion wrote:

No, we all lose because this idea was brought up. There are 32 Million Shares of GW stock "issued" right now. To have enough control over the company to boot Kirby you'd need in excess of half of it (so 16,320,000 to have 51% control of the company) which would cost at least 9,343,200,000 GBP.

And while you're trying to get all that together they could just split the stocks requiring you to need even more shares to gain control of the company.

In short: buying enough shares to control a company is something only people like Bill Gates can pull off in a single day.

You don't truly need to hold that much stock to effect change. You only need enough to have a member on the board of directors. A 11% ownership of stock is currently the largest investor. You only need to shift enough votes to remove him from the position. If another investor were to control 10% of the stock (but about only half of that would be required) they would be able to exert a large amount of influence, especially if it was known that said investor would dump his stock if changes weren't made. None of the other investors would want to see 1/10 of of a companies stock flood the market and cause a huge drop in value. It could spark a massive sell off because those that aren't on the board wouldn't know what was happening, just that someone "in the know" was bailing out of the company at an accelerated rate. Leading to the larger investors losing a substantial amount.

It's complicated.

Ugh, can we just take this to the various 'How I would run GW' threads? It has been done to death.