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At this point, it's obvious that Deamons are GW's less popular line.

Had it been Tau, you would be able to accidentally summon Riptides.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I wanted to know if that would be possible.

If what would be possible?

A daemon to summon and become another daemon.

Rereading the article where it talks about risks for summoning Daemons it sounds like "Daemonspawn" are immune, so probably not.

It could possibly just mean there's no threat of the daemon going berzerk and killing his whole army. That said, your guess is as good as mine.

 Lobukia wrote:
BTW, Faeit 212 reporting BA on the cover of the 7th "unbound" edition book.

So that means orks are on the cover... right?

Kind of a 2nd edition tribute then? They missed the 20th anniversary of 2nd edition by a year, but that seems plausible enough, and even fitting if we're getting a psychic phase back, etc.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
At this point, it's obvious that Deamons are GW's less popular line.

Had it been Tau, you would be able to accidentally summon Riptides.

This will never happen with IG because they never need to accidentally summon more troops, that's just called babymakin'

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 streamdragon wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
I'm sorry I'm too busy entertaining the possibility of a Greater Daemon exploding to summon a new Greater Daemon

Meanwhile at GW:
"I got it! We'll put a Daemon INSIDE OF ANOTHER DAEMON!" *beat* "BRILLIANT SIR! Absolutely brilliant!"

Yo dawg...


Seriously though, when you think about the fact that the article said all non-Tyranid psykers get access to the Daemonology discipline, and there are psyker greater daemons...

I am saddened to know Tyranids can't. Imagine the possibilities if they had! Even your land lovers might be capable of sprouting wings!

Back in RT, you could have a daemon-possessed Genestealer Patriarch.

Those were the days...

There are definitely creatures of the warp that aren't daemonic also, well, whether they are daemonic or not is a discussion for the background forum, but they aren't aligned with the big 4 chaos gods, they may not technically class as Chaos. Eldar and Ork gods exist within the warp, the big nasty you end up summoning could be from the ork gods if it is a weird boy using it, a Farseer may pull a manifestation of the laughing god out of the warp, a grey knight librarian may pull Draigo out of it... Whilst Chaos is indeed the most referred to faction within the warp, they are not the warp entirely.

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 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
At this point, it's obvious that Deamons are GW's less popular line.

Had it been Tau, you would be able to accidentally summon Riptides.

I dunno man. It seems like a tough fight with DE and with Daemons being how beastly they were in the previous edition of Fantasy and how they are in current 40k I'm going to lean on DE being the smallest.

 daedalus wrote:

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 daedalus wrote:

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Money grabbing GW, I'm not paying for all that! I'll just play unbound!

Oh.

I would the DE idea working. Mandrakes are daemons already.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There are definitely creatures of the warp that aren't daemonic also, well, whether they are daemonic or not is a discussion for the background forum, but they aren't aligned with the big 4 chaos gods, they may not technically class as Chaos. Eldar and Ork gods exist within the warp, the big nasty you end up summoning could be from the ork gods if it is a weird boy using it, a Farseer may pull a manifestation of the laughing god out of the warp, a grey knight librarian may pull Draigo out of it... Whilst Chaos is indeed the most referred to faction within the warp, they are not the warp entirely.

Except that they are probably summoning daemons, Maleific, Daemonology (which I doubt Orks or Eldars call their gods). Daemons have always had the problem of not really representing even all of the possible daemons (look at any of the books and you'll find obvious daemons that really are chaos but not in the books. That and for an army that's supposed to be shifting and diverse the models are very standard without much diversity and restricted.


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endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There are definitely creatures of the warp that aren't daemonic also, well, whether they are daemonic or not is a discussion for the background forum, but they aren't aligned with the big 4 chaos gods, they may not technically class as Chaos. Eldar and Ork gods exist within the warp, the big nasty you end up summoning could be from the ork gods if it is a weird boy using it, a Farseer may pull a manifestation of the laughing god out of the warp, a grey knight librarian may pull Draigo out of it... Whilst Chaos is indeed the most referred to faction within the warp, they are not the warp entirely.

Except that they are probably summoning daemons, Maleific, Daemonology (which I doubt Orks or Eldars call their gods). Daemons have always had the problem of not really representing even all of the possible daemons (look at any of the books and you'll find obvious daemons that really are chaos but not in the books. That and for an army that's supposed to be shifting and diverse the models are very standard without much diversity and restricted.


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I doubt Dark Eldar would do it since they surpress their natural psychic abilities, and I doubt Craftworld Eldar would either since it may attract attention from Slaanesh.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There are definitely creatures of the warp that aren't daemonic also, well, whether they are daemonic or not is a discussion for the background forum, but they aren't aligned with the big 4 chaos gods, they may not technically class as Chaos. Eldar and Ork gods exist within the warp, the big nasty you end up summoning could be from the ork gods if it is a weird boy using it, a Farseer may pull a manifestation of the laughing god out of the warp, a grey knight librarian may pull Draigo out of it... Whilst Chaos is indeed the most referred to faction within the warp, they are not the warp entirely.

Except that they are probably summoning daemons, Maleific, Daemonology (which I doubt Orks or Eldars call their gods). Daemons have always had the problem of not really representing even all of the possible daemons (look at any of the books and you'll find obvious daemons that really are chaos but not in the books. That and for an army that's supposed to be shifting and diverse the models are very standard without much diversity and restricted.


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I doubt Dark Eldar would do it since they surpress their natural psychic abilities, and I doubt Craftworld Eldar would either since it may attract attention from Slaanesh.

Wait when did I say anything to do with that? It's no more nonsensical than Ezekiel sacrificing himself to become a Bloothirster to save the Impeirum from Xenos

Besides, DE don't even have psykers.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There are definitely creatures of the warp that aren't daemonic also, well, whether they are daemonic or not is a discussion for the background forum, but they aren't aligned with the big 4 chaos gods, they may not technically class as Chaos. Eldar and Ork gods exist within the warp, the big nasty you end up summoning could be from the ork gods if it is a weird boy using it, a Farseer may pull a manifestation of the laughing god out of the warp, a grey knight librarian may pull Draigo out of it... Whilst Chaos is indeed the most referred to faction within the warp, they are not the warp entirely.

Except that they are probably summoning daemons, Maleific, Daemonology (which I doubt Orks or Eldars call their gods). Daemons have always had the problem of not really representing even all of the possible daemons (look at any of the books and you'll find obvious daemons that really are chaos but not in the books. That and for an army that's supposed to be shifting and diverse the models are very standard without much diversity and restricted.


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I doubt Dark Eldar would do it since they surpress their natural psychic abilities, and I doubt Craftworld Eldar would either since it may attract attention from Slaanesh.

Wait when did I say anything to do with that? It's no more nonsensical than Ezekiel sacrificing himself to become a Bloothirster to save the Impeirum from Xenos

Besides, DE don't even have psykers.

Several times in the DE Codex they summon and/or have pacts to have Daemon armies for their civil wars...................usually ends badly for the summoner/s.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Is it really a violation of the background to let 'good' psykers summon daemons?

I thought that one of the reasons the Imperium is so distrustful of psykers is the way that pretty much any one of them can serve as a gateway for daemons to enter the material world. So even if they don't do it very often for fairly obvious reasons, most psykers should have the option of summoning something when things get truly desperate.

Most do, but that's why they are dead. The only psykers in any Imperial army except Radical Inquisition are the ones that aren't like that.

You're forging a narrative! In a time of great need your dude summons a daemon to aid him.
Eisenhorn!

I just thought it took an exceedingly high amount of skill and power to summon any daemons you would want. Chaos gods aren't really in the business of answering mortal's requests the way they would like.

Now, I'm sure GW will address this by giving Daemonology a D6 table of daemons you can summon, but still I'm not entirely positive that the mechanism (being whatever it is) will fit the fluff. Especially considering any of these psykers summoning daemons are on their first (and only) try doing so.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I doubt Dark Eldar would do it since they surpress their natural psychic abilities, and I doubt Craftworld Eldar would either since it may attract attention from Slaanesh.

Actually, with how Daemons can be summoned through Sorcery I would actually argue that this would be the only power that any model should be able to buy, Psyker or not.

 Accolade wrote:
I just thought it took an exceedingly high amount of skill and power to summon any daemons you would want. Chaos gods aren't really in the business of answering mortal's requests the way they would like.

Now, I'm sure GW will address this by giving Daemonology a D6 table of daemons you can summon, but still I'm not entirely positive that the mechanism (being whatever it is) will fit the fluff. Especially considering any of these psykers summoning daemons are on their first (and only) try doing so.

Hopefully a 2-12 or 4-24 table that ranges from turning into a pile of bubbling goo to becoming Skarbrand.

It's also funny that unless they include the rules for all these Daemons we will supposedly be able to summon in the rulebook itself, pretty much everyone wanting to do this will have to buy a Daemon dex.

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I just thought it took an exceedingly high amount of skill and power to summon any daemons you would want. Chaos gods aren't really in the business of answering mortal's requests the way they would like.

Now, I'm sure GW will address this by giving Daemonology a D6 table of daemons you can summon, but still I'm not entirely positive that the mechanism (being whatever it is) will fit the fluff. Especially considering any of these psykers summoning daemons are on their first (and only) try doing so.

Hopefully a 2-12 or 4-24 table that ranges from turning into a pile of bubbling goo to becoming Skarbrand.

It's also funny that unless they include the rules for all these Daemons we will supposedly be able to summon in the rulebook itself, pretty much everyone wanting to do this will have to buy a Daemon dex.

Perhaps THAT is the price you pay if you're not already playing Daemons?

Even if I have the option to summons demons, I’ll pass.

If there is a chance, even a small one, that I can accidentally summon one (such as from the misscast table) I will leave my librarians on the shelf. If you don’t have the mastery of your mind to prevent chaos from emerging on the battlefield, you have no place being there.

And if it get to be too commonplace, I’ll pick up some BT a/o SoB allies. Because they will be right, and someone will need to be purged.

Unlike some, i don´t have the stamina to read all 94 pages of posts, but most of what i have seen is rage regarding the Unbound Army rules and that they will ruin the hobby.
In my neck of the woods we are likely to make changes along the way if the Unbound rules make for a terrible game, and indeed, anyone should feel free to do so! It´s YOUR game!
Tournaments regularly change some aspect of the rules aswell. So i ask you: what is the problem here?

 tarnish wrote:
Unlike some, i don´t have the stamina to read all 94 pages of posts, but most of what i have seen is rage regarding the Unbound Army rules and that they will ruin the hobby.
In my neck of the woods we are likely to make changes along the way if the Unbound rules make for a terrible game, and indeed, anyone should feel free to do so! It´s YOUR game!
Tournaments regularly change some aspect of the rules aswell. So i ask you: what is the problem here?

Hey, cool, you didn't have time to read the thread but you did have enough time to make a sweeping generalization that everyone is raging and losing their minds!

Leggy wrote:
As the psychic phase now uses a dice pool, is it safe to assume psychic tests aren't based on leadership anymore? I can't see how you'd want to roll MORE dice when keeping under 9-10.
However If it goes the way of Warhammer, and starts using target numbers, what will happen to all the psychic powers in the Codexes? That is a lot of renumbering needed in the FAQ's (and will really mess up the signature spell for Tzeentch daemons)

Unless its roll as many dice as you feel you need and take the 2 lowest and compare against the model/unit's LD.

Why play Daemons if everyone can use them now?

Oh well maybe we'll finally get a plastic Greater or two to help hype things.

 Accolade wrote:

 tarnish wrote:
Unlike some, i don´t have the stamina to read all 94 pages of posts, but most of what i have seen is rage regarding the Unbound Army rules and that they will ruin the hobby.
In my neck of the woods we are likely to make changes along the way if the Unbound rules make for a terrible game, and indeed, anyone should feel free to do so! It´s YOUR game!
Tournaments regularly change some aspect of the rules aswell. So i ask you: what is the problem here?

Hey, cool, you didn't have time to read the thread but you did have enough time to make a sweeping generalization that everyone is raging and losing their minds!

He's not wrong

 tarnish wrote:
Unlike some, i don´t have the stamina to read all 94 pages of posts, but most of what i have seen is rage regarding the Unbound Army rules and that they will ruin the hobby.
In my neck of the woods we are likely to make changes along the way if the Unbound rules make for a terrible game, and indeed, anyone should feel free to do so! It´s YOUR game!
Tournaments regularly change some aspect of the rules aswell. So i ask you: what is the problem here?

The problem is that it is a piece of work that a lot of people don't like, which if presented as an option would be fine because you could just ignore it, but it is going to be in the core rules.

Not sure if it was mentioned but there's a sidebar in that WD scan that talks about a Dark Angel v. Tyranid batrep/playtest/something where the Dark Angel Librarian (actually I think it's the Chief Librarian - Ezekiel?) uses his last Wound to sacrifice himself and summon a Bloodthirster which helps them win the game.

Let me say that again: A SPACE MARINE Librarian, and a DARK ANGEL at that, SUMMONS A BLOODTHIRSTER. That's taking a dump on 30 years of backstory. And no it wasn't Mat Ward who did it

That's some narrative forging right there.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Not sure if it was mentioned but there's a sidebar in that WD scan that talks about a Dark Angel v. Tyranid batrep/playtest/something where the Dark Angel Librarian uses his last Wound to summon a Bloodthirster which helps them win the game.

That's some narrative forging right there.

Yes, it's been mentioned.