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clively wrote:
Are those new models pictured to the left of the text?

I don't remember seeing a staff with a skull and down turned horns or even that SM's back pack.

Think its just the sm plastic librarian?

clively wrote:
Are those new models pictured to the left of the text?

I don't remember seeing a staff with a skull and down turned horns or even that SM's back pack.

I'm pretty sure that is the plastic Space Marine Librarian.

 Eldarain wrote:
"Worth a possible four victory points" That sounds like some randomization was in play especially late in the game when First Blood should already be taken

Mission specific or new Slay the Warlord?

Tyranid Tax. Since Tyranids got so many advantages from the Allies rules and the new Psychic powers, they're not worth twice as many Victory Points as everyone else.



But no, I would suspect it's to do with the new objective rules.

The Unbound/Bound stuff combined with the hope of a working assault phase has me pumped way up!

That being said: they do have some particularly inept individuals writing stuff for Tyranids, don't they?

 kronk wrote:

True, but they're the same internal dimensions. I'm just hoping I don't need to toss my existing templates.

Actually, those lightning looking templates are a bit bigger than the standard ones. About 1/4 inch iirc

 nolzur wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:
EDIT: I'm more amazed at the thought of my 65pt Librarians being able to throw dice at turning into a Bloodthirster.

Dark angels unbound 2000 pts

28 librarians - 1820 pts
Defense line with quad gun - 100 pts
Combi-meltas on a few, maybe meltabombs on a couple, ymmv

I think this could be great. They're fallen angels that found each other and they're going to drown you in big daemons.

Could be great...? I dont know anyone that would want to play against that. Seriously, this is a perfect example of someones "great idea" for how to play an unbound army. It honestly is going to be stupid due to the fact that so many lists will be ridiculous.

Now here's the kicker. There was a mention of referencing to a size chart when using a unbound army. So it seems like the "Riptide Spam" army could be totally out of the question, just because its a larger model. The problem is that if you have 28 Librarians or 100 Eldar jet bikes, those are much smaller than a Riptide or Wraithknight. So, is this a ploy to target specific codecies and make them a lot more relevant competitively with the new edition? (Like Eldar need any more help there )

 nolzur wrote:

 kronk wrote:

True, but they're the same internal dimensions. I'm just hoping I don't need to toss my existing templates.

Actually, those lightning looking templates are a bit bigger than the standard ones. About 1/4 inch iirc

“Internal” being the key here. If you set your old templates inside the new, lighting ones, they should match. If you measure from the outside, they are a bit bigger.

That said, there has been some scale creep over the years. I remember taking my 3rd ed templates and putting them on top of my newer ones (4th ed?, might have been a friend’s 5th) and having them turn out to be a few mm smaller. Not enough to really impact a game, but sometimes all you need is that extra little bit...

I'm looking forward to see what army people can make with the unbound rules!


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I'm looking forward to see what army people can make with the unbound rules!

Honestly do not mind opinions, I also do appreciate well thought out criticism and like people pointing out flaws that I may miss.

But calling the death of 40K from roughly 6 lines of text.. come on people please just stop. I am really over the hyperbole...

With people being able to play anything they want? Especially at lower points values, this could actually make it easier for new players to pick up any product and go.

Although I can see the long chain of emails with some of my friends to "negotiate a game."

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Although I can see the long chain of emails with some of my friends to "negotiate a game."

"Alright Jimmy. I've got your mother buried somewhere in the Tri-state area with enough air to last 24 hours. Now will you finally give up on that Riptide Unbound list for tomorrow's game?"

 infinite_array wrote:

"Alright Jimmy. I've got your mother buried somewhere in the Tri-state area with enough air to last 24 hours. Now will you finally give up on that Riptide Unbound list for tomorrow's game?"

The best part is when he DOES acquiesce, and you can be all like, "well, to be fair, it wasn't that hard to do. She's into stuff like that, if you get what I mean..."

 daedalus wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

"Alright Jimmy. I've got your mother buried somewhere in the Tri-state area with enough air to last 24 hours. Now will you finally give up on that Riptide Unbound list for tomorrow's game?"

The best part is when he DOES acquiesce, and you can be all like, "well, to be fair, it wasn't that hard to do. She's into stuff like that, if you get what I mean..."

The chuckles win you an exalt, good sir.

 daedalus wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

"Alright Jimmy. I've got your mother buried somewhere in the Tri-state area with enough air to last 24 hours. Now will you finally give up on that Riptide Unbound list for tomorrow's game?"

The best part is when he DOES acquiesce, and you can be all like, "well, to be fair, it wasn't that hard to do. She's into stuff like that, if you get what I mean..."

Winner.

As someone mentioned before the only positive thing from Unbound lists will be to play at very low points level were some armies struggled having to pick an expensive hq other than that I imagine it will be a disaster for pick up games and not so much for gaming with regular opponents where things can be arranged in advance.
Sad thing is that for every interesting Unbound list like an all DKK Deathrider army there will be 10 lists full with 27 hellturkeys.

M.

So, if the 4th one is gong to be "there is only war" who want's to make a guess as to whats going to be on the poster that has the label, "No Forgiveness". I'm guessing, space marines.

 Idolator wrote:
So, if the 4th one is gong to be "there is only war" who want's to make a guess as to whats going to be on the poster that has the label, "No Forgiveness". I'm guessing, space marines.

I'd only predicted 3 earlier (I assumed they'd stop with the posters when the book comes out), but with CSM being the last ones I'm definitely going with Marines as the next one. They'll either get "No Forgiveness" or "No Mercy".

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
So, if the 4th one is gong to be "there is only war" who want's to make a guess as to whats going to be on the poster that has the label, "No Forgiveness". I'm guessing, space marines.

I'd only predicted 3 earlier (I assumed they'd stop with the posters when the book comes out), but with CSM being the last ones I'm definitely going with Marines as the next one. They'll either get "No Forgiveness" or "No Mercy".

Hasn't that been their tag line for a long time?.."There is no time for peace, No respite, No Forgiveness, There is only War!"

 Idolator wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
So, if the 4th one is gong to be "there is only war" who want's to make a guess as to whats going to be on the poster that has the label, "No Forgiveness". I'm guessing, space marines.

I'd only predicted 3 earlier (I assumed they'd stop with the posters when the book comes out), but with CSM being the last ones I'm definitely going with Marines as the next one. They'll either get "No Forgiveness" or "No Mercy".

Hasn't that been their tag line for a long time?.."There is no time for peace, No respite, No Forgiveness, There is only War!"

I think there are a couple permutations but my brain is so full of stuff for finals I could be misremembering things right now.

...only sixteen more days for our mitts to be laden with new rules...

Praying for Blood Angels, and Orks.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
The problem is that if you have ... 100 Eldar jet bikes

That's already a legal army.

No forgiveness is probably Tyranids? You need a baddie/Xenos.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
The problem is that if you have ... 100 Eldar jet bikes

That's already a legal army.

How big can a unit of jet bikes be?

With Eldar - 10 per unit - up to twelve units, as they are troops.

Well I have only 2 things to say on this...

Whats this 40k ultimate edition?

Ultimate : means Last.

Last before 40K crashes and burns...

Man i'm bitter tonight...

Looks like GW wants to go down in a blaze of glory.

I don't know if I'd call it glory, but its definitely a blaze of something.

I imagine next edition will be an even better more epic style of play.

No FOC no point's sytem and everything scoring, literally play anything and everything

also adds in an exciting new phase called the epic phase, once per a game each opponent can sacrifice their entire turn to roll a d3 on the epic chart, althogh the following armies cannot use this awesome phase= chaos space marines, tyranids, sisters of battle, dark angels, score goes as follows

1. power of the dark gods, sacrifice your phsyker for a trio of bloodthirsters

2. for the greater good, a trio of riptides immieditely arrives on the table, cannot assault but can immeditely fire every weapon at full BS

3 In the emperor we trust, a mighty war titan arrives on the battlefield and your opponent immeditaely loses, you may also with your opponents permission (or not) stamp the reaver titan on your opponents figures to simulate the awesomeness of the emperors divine will