40k 7th Edition release 24th may - All info in 1st post, psychic power cards added (5/21)

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**spartanlegion**

Alex C wrote:
spartanlegion wrote:
Alex C wrote:
Also, this confirms that the mission card deck is not required.
I'm sure if you don't get the deck of cards, you can roll for them...

Exactly, which is why I said the card deck is NOT required...

Yes, agreeing with you!

**Sigvatr**

Having a look at the objectives chart...they really didn't spend much time on it, did they?

**Loopstah**

Syphid wrote:

So some of the objectives are exactly the same?

Looking at the table you roll on I would guess the Secure Objective 1 through 6 are all repeated at least 3 times each. This means 18 out of the 36 cards are "Capture objective 1" type cards.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Not necessarily. There are also mission types (capture and control, take and hold, etc etc), which currently have an unknown effect. It's not entirely clear.

But yeah, "Secure objective 1" seems a little...bare bones.

**Loopstah**

Alex C wrote:

Except for the "type", which may bear some relevance.

Yeah looks like there are at least 3 different "Types" for the capture objectives. It also mentions a kill the warlord and kill a psycher objective in the example at the side so that 20 out of 36 objectives we now know, leaving 16 still unknown.

**Azreal13**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Not necessarily. There are also mission types (capture and control, take and hold, etc etc), which currently have an unknown effect. It's not entirely clear.

But yeah, "Secure objective 1" seems a little...bare bones.

He (JJ) does mention the intention to expand on this in the future though, so supplementary decks and tables with more interesting/complex/faction or fluff appropriate tasks aren't impossible.

**Vector Strike**

Hmm, Maelstorm of War seems quite nice. I'd imagine they'd use more original ideas, but it's ok. Much more tactical and dynamic than Eternal War missions (as they stand now).

'Kingslayer' objective card - oh my, always wanted to be Jamie Lannister!

**Ifurita**

The way I read it, is that you don't automatically gain VP for each objective owned at the end of each turn. Some are more important to you than others, which depending on location and exposure, lead you to making tactical decisions about whether trying to grab and hold one over successive turns is worth it.

**BarBoBot**

I'll freely admit that I'm miffed that GW is pumping out another edition after only 2 years, but parts of 6th were broken. (Mainly allies IMO)

With that said, Im gonna give 7th a fair chance. I'll buy the book, play the game etc., but if GW makes this the new norm and thinks I'm gonna put out for another ruleset in 2016 then I'll be done with them until the company is sold.

**spartanlegion**

Ifurita wrote:
The way I read it, is that you don't automatically gain VP for each objective owned at the end of each turn. Some are more important to you than others, which depending on location and exposure, lead you to making tactical decisions about whether trying to grab and hold one over successive turns is worth it.

Yeah, most are probably like that. It will keep the game going at a fast and vicious pace!

**guru**

today news for retailers on UK

Spoiler:

**Bull0**

If "The Rules" is under £30 I might bite the bullet and get it anyway. It's quite a nice touch since people quite often moan about paying for the same fluff again and the worse-every-time hobby sections by getting it all in one book. And now that more details are emerging, it sounds like there's more meat on the bones than simply "We added unbound so you can buy more riptides"

If they've split the book simply so that they can drive the price up for completionists then that's a bit less cool but, well, trying to please everyone is the key to failure as they say

**ClockworkZion**

Bull0 wrote:
If "The Rules" is under £30 I might bite the bullet and get it anyway. It's quite a nice touch since people quite often moan about paying for the same fluff again and the worse-every-time hobby sections by getting it all in one book. And now that more details are emerging, it sounds like there's more meat on the bones than simply "We added unbound so you can buy more riptides"

If they've split them so that they can drive the price up for completionists then that's a bit less cool but, well, trying to please everyone is the key to failure as they say

Word is 50GBP for all three. There is no word about them being sold separately at this time.

**Nostromodamus**

Bull0 wrote:
If "The Rules" is under £30 I might bite the bullet and get it anyway. It's quite a nice touch since people quite often moan about paying for the same fluff again and the worse-every-time hobby sections by getting it all in one book. And now that more details are emerging, it sounds like there's more meat on the bones than simply "We added unbound so you can buy more riptides"

If they've split the book simply so that they can drive the price up for completionists then that's a bit less cool but, well, trying to please everyone is the key to failure as they say

Unfortunately it sounds like you have to buy all 3 books with no option for buying just "the rules".

**WrentheFaceless**

I'm sure some online retaliers might sell the rules separately eventually if there is enough profit. Some already sell the DV mini book separately.

**Ifurita**

Can someone remind of the rules for unbound vs. Battle Forged and how that impacts scoring for VPs? Do unbound armies not contest and are therefore forced to kill battle forged units faster than they can accumulate VP?

The split of the rule books might be a Forge World influenced idea, where they just released the crusade list book. That way you have a single slim book to carry around vs. all three massive HH books.

**Pox Apostle**

What's the current consensus on the Tactical Objective Cards... Do you guys think two players will use one deck and both choose from there or will each player need their own?

**Souleater**

Although 'The Rules' might be what we get in the Starter Set.

**Crazyterran**

I personally can't wait to buy my bundle rulebook, and then never look at the book with the Ultramarines cover, even though it's my favorite.

The heretical book with xenos however, will be in my army case for(two years)ever.

**Vector Strike**

Ifurita wrote:Can someone remind of the rules for unbound vs. Battle Forged and how that impacts scoring for VPs? Do unbound armies not contest and are therefore forced to kill battle forged units faster than they can accumulate VP?

Looks like it. Unbound troops need to take it if they want it, while Battle-forged troops just need to sit down and have fancy tea.

Pox Apostle wrote:What's the current consensus on the Tactical Objective Cards... Do you guys think two players will use one deck and both choose from there or will each player need their own?

One deck will be enough, I think. There are 36 cards and players have only 3 on their hands. Every time you complete an objective, discard the card and pick another. Now, if you do re-shuffle the cards in the same pile or just pick from the original pile, that's not known.

**Loopstah**

Ifurita wrote:
Can someone remind of the rules for unbound vs. Battle Forged and how that impacts scoring for VPs? Do unbound armies not contest and are therefore forced to kill battle forged units faster than they can accumulate VP?

Looks like it. Hopefully tabling is no longer an auto win that way who there's no point if you table the opponent if they have already gained 12 VP during the game and still end up winning.

**Bull0**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
If "The Rules" is under £30 I might bite the bullet and get it anyway. It's quite a nice touch since people quite often moan about paying for the same fluff again and the worse-every-time hobby sections by getting it all in one book. And now that more details are emerging, it sounds like there's more meat on the bones than simply "We added unbound so you can buy more riptides"

If they've split them so that they can drive the price up for completionists then that's a bit less cool but, well, trying to please everyone is the key to failure as they say

Word is 50GBP for all three. There is no word about them being sold separately at this time.

Oh, bummer. That was a silly assumption of mine.

I guess splitting them out will at least make them a bit less unwieldy to use for normal games, so there's that.

**Loopstah**

Pox Apostle wrote:
What's the current consensus on the Tactical Objective Cards... Do you guys think two players will use one deck and both choose from there or will each player need their own?

I'd say one set per player.

While 2 people can roll the same dice result, 2 people can't pick the same card so both players would each need a deck of cards otherwise your opponent could be holding cards you could actually claim but can't because they have them.

**spartanlegion**

Pox Apostle wrote:
What's the current consensus on the Tactical Objective Cards... Do you guys think two players will use one deck and both choose from there or will each player need their own?

each needs their own.

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Souleater wrote:
Although 'The Rules' might be what we get in the Starter Set.

Didn't it say in the WD that the Dark Vengeance starters would have the new (mini) rulebooks in them...

"The Dark Vengeance box set currently contains a copy of the rules from the last edition of Warhammer 40,000 - rest assured that in the near future(?) this will be updated to contain the new edition of The Rules. Stay tuned to White Dwarf for more on this exciting development"

**Accolade**

EDIT: duplicate

**Colpicklejar**

So I know that the last-minute jetbike boost strategy is much maligned recently, but does anyone think that with the advent of these new tactical objectives, having a mobile force will be more important than ever?

Quite interesting.

**Pox Apostle**

Loopstah wrote:
Pox Apostle wrote:
What's the current consensus on the Tactical Objective Cards... Do you guys think two players will use one deck and both choose from there or will each player need their own?

I'd say one set per player.

While 2 people can roll the same dice result, 2 people can't pick the same card so both players would each need a deck of cards otherwise your opponent could be holding cards you could actually claim but can't because they have them.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking too.

**Accolade**

The rules portion of the 7th edition will sell on eBay for a considerable chunk of the total percentage cost of the full book.

The non-rules section will sell for a pittance. For the cost of the full 7th, you'll be able to buy so many of the other two books that you can build a wall to prevent further JJ fleecing in the future!

**spartanlegion**

Alex C wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
If "The Rules" is under £30 I might bite the bullet and get it anyway. It's quite a nice touch since people quite often moan about paying for the same fluff again and the worse-every-time hobby sections by getting it all in one book. And now that more details are emerging, it sounds like there's more meat on the bones than simply "We added unbound so you can buy more riptides"

If they've split the book simply so that they can drive the price up for completionists then that's a bit less cool but, well, trying to please everyone is the key to failure as they say

Unfortunately it sounds like you have to buy all 3 books with no option for buying just "the rules".

Why God created Ebay!

**Ifurita**

Colpicklejar wrote:
So I know that the last-minute jetbike boost strategy is much maligned recently, but does anyone think that with the advent of these new tactical objectives, having a mobile force will be more important than ever?

Quite interesting.

Well, mobile AND survivable. Again, I like the choices the player has to face. Push up fast but fragile forces to start building VP or move a more survivable force up, a little more slowly.