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 Squidbot wrote:
Demonic Squigs, now there's a thought.I may even be able to justify buying that Forge World colossal Squig....

Gears are starting to turn here...anyone else notice that Pink Horrors look like squigs in the face?

OMG! Who is making these covers?

I don't normally bash GW... I'm a fan boy, I defy anyone to say otherwise... I bought the fething $30 clippers... but these new covers are just; lazy... uninspired... pathetic crap.

That's the cover???

That's really bad.

Two years of great ltd ed codex covers and standard 7th ed gets that???

Good point. I hadn't even considered that those were the actual covers, they're so dull. If they are, then they truly are awful.
I know people said 6th BRB was too busy, but they've gone to the other extreme with the cover.

Unlikely.

For a start it looks like the promotional poster.
And secondly there's 3 books, and that one doesn't state 'Rules' etc

So I have been thinking about the powers in general and I dont think psyker spam or anything of that nature is going to be worth it unless powers are SUPER over the top. There is serious diminishing returns on powers.

For example. Lets say you start with 4 dice from the pool and have two level two casters, so now you have 8 dice.

To reliably get a warp charge 1 off requires 2 dice, so if you have 4 warp charge 1 powers you can reliably get three of them off this turn.

However lets say you have 4 dice and 10 mastery levels. Now you can reliably get 5 powers or so off. However how many points is that going to cost to get those 10 mastery levels compared to the 4 masterly levels? is it really going to be worth the extra points?

SLIP CASE


ACTUAL COVERS

Puscifer wrote:That's the cover???

That's really bad.

Two years of great ltd ed codex covers and standard 7th ed gets that???

That's the slip case. The actual rulebook cover is much worse. It's a reused image of Urien Rakarth on a white background.

Nem wrote:Unlikely.

For a start it looks like the promotional poster.
And secondly there's 3 books, and that one doesn't state 'Rules' etc

The text right next to the image clearly states that this is the slip cover for the new 3 volume set.

inThat might very well be the cover of the box in which to keep your three books. That's what I thought atleast.

Edit: I was apparently ninja'd. Well done, sir or madam.

I'll take that cover over the current one any day. The horrible pin head and fethed up perspective of the plasma pistol arm of the 6E cover have bugged me for two years.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't find another angle on these minis on the GW website, but this is from the most recent video. Is this a new model:

Nope, thats a normal ork boy with the rokkit launcha pointing directly at you. It's got its "blast shield" attached. I think you find the thing in the loota/burna-box.

Even more reason to get the munitorium edition...I shall be sitting on the F5 button in store to get the damned thing, covers look so much better.

Just hope £200 is accurate

Rick_1138 wrote:
Even more reason to get the munitorium edition...I shall be sitting on the F5 button in store to get the damned thing, covers look so much better.

Just hope £200 is accurate

I won't be paying a $245 premium to get a different picture on the front, but have at it if it's your thing...

(Assuming $330 rumor is true, and $85 for standard edition)

Rick_1138 wrote:
Even more reason to get the munitorium edition...I shall be sitting on the F5 button in store to get the damned thing, covers look so much better.

Just hope £200 is accurate

I heard £180 from "A SOURCE". No idea if that's real.

I just got back into 40K (haven't even played my first game yet..still building) and I have ot say I may have come back at the perfect time. The rules so far look great, allies reigned in to cutback on some of the nonesense, adding daemonology (regardless of fluff, the darkness behind this feels like old 40K) allows a variety of models on the table without having to get a full army. Looking forward to getting the book next week.

 Vector Strike wrote:


Vehicles scoring, and exploding on a 7: perfect. Now true AT weapons will be used against vehicles, instead of S6/7 AP3+ stuff.

I'd wager exactly the opposite. For light and medium vehicles, it's now far more economical to go for the HP kill instead of trying for the Explode result. Multishot weapons aiming for HP kills lose less of their effectiveness (as they relied less on Damage chart results in the first place) than most heavy AT guns looking to kill through explodes results.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:


Vehicles scoring, and exploding on a 7: perfect. Now true AT weapons will be used against vehicles, instead of S6/7 AP3+ stuff.

I'd wager exactly the opposite. For light and medium vehicles, it's now far more economical to go for the HP kill instead of trying for the Explode result. Multishot weapons aiming for HP kills lose less of their effectiveness (as they relied less on Damage chart results in the first place) than most heavy AT guns looking to kill through explodes results.

Agreed, changing the damage table doesn't change the way HP work. Unless glances got changed as well or all vehicles got a signifigant HP boost (like, say double) the effect will still be a meta focused around massed glancing things to death.

Sorry Zoidberg, that 300 dollar bill STILL won't buy you the LE book!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:


Vehicles scoring, and exploding on a 7: perfect. Now true AT weapons will be used against vehicles, instead of S6/7 AP3+ stuff.

I'd wager exactly the opposite. For light and medium vehicles, it's now far more economical to go for the HP kill instead of trying for the Explode result. Multishot weapons aiming for HP kills lose less of their effectiveness (as they relied less on Damage chart results in the first place) than most heavy AT guns looking to kill through explodes results.

Agreed, changing the damage table doesn't change the way HP work. Unless glances got changed as well or all vehicles got a signifigant HP boost (like, say double) the effect will still be a meta focused around massed glancing things to death.

Or perhaps a further 4+ roll on glances to remove HP's while punches need a 2+...

Something...

Anything!

Has there been any mention of an ebook/iBook version of the rules?

I'm realizing in horror that with the new objective secured rule eldar jetbikes just officially became the best troop choices in the game.

 Kiwi461 wrote:
Has there been any mention of an ebook/iBook version of the rules?

Nothing yet.

TBF to the munitorum edition, you get the counters and psychic cards and the separate art book included so its not THAT much of a rip off, the Ltd Ed tax is on top but its not crazy mental.

And I like Collectors eds so im happy its not just a slip case!

 buddha wrote:
I'm realizing in horror that with the new objective secured rule eldar jetbikes just officially became the best troop choices in the game.

White Scars being a close second.

Vaktathi wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:


Vehicles scoring, and exploding on a 7: perfect. Now true AT weapons will be used against vehicles, instead of S6/7 AP3+ stuff.

I'd wager exactly the opposite. For light and medium vehicles, it's now far more economical to go for the HP kill instead of trying for the Explode result. Multishot weapons aiming for HP kills lose less of their effectiveness (as they relied less on Damage chart results in the first place) than most heavy AT guns looking to kill through explodes results.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:


Vehicles scoring, and exploding on a 7: perfect. Now true AT weapons will be used against vehicles, instead of S6/7 AP3+ stuff.

I'd wager exactly the opposite. For light and medium vehicles, it's now far more economical to go for the HP kill instead of trying for the Explode result. Multishot weapons aiming for HP kills lose less of their effectiveness (as they relied less on Damage chart results in the first place) than most heavy AT guns looking to kill through explodes results.

Agreed, changing the damage table doesn't change the way HP work. Unless glances got changed as well or all vehicles got a signifigant HP boost (like, say double) the effect will still be a meta focused around massed glancing things to death.

Yes, the old glancing technique will remain. But nowadays a S7 weapon is more than enough to destroy a vehicle in one shot, freeing other S6-7 to hit another stuff. With the new rules, people will need to sacrifice more firepower of that kind to deplete a vehicle from its HPs. Unless they bring more powerful weapons, reducing the number of aforementioned weapons.

Rick_1138 wrote:
TBF to the munitorum edition, you get the counters and psychic cards and the separate art book included so its not THAT much of a rip off, the Ltd Ed tax is on top but its not crazy mental.

And I like Collectors eds so im happy its not just a slip case!

So you also get a Visions magazine with hardcover ($50), cards ($8) and counters ($15). So, bought separately it would be $158. So you only have a $182 "tax" for the collector's edition.

Completely and utterly a rip off.

Is it time to dust off the ole Land Raiders?

 oni wrote:

Spoiler:

ChaosBrewer wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, from WDW

OMG! Who is making these covers?

I don't normally bash GW... I'm a fan boy, I defy anyone to say otherwise... I bought the fething $30 clippers... but these new covers are just; lazy... uninspired... pathetic crap.

I like the cover a lot. Unlike all of the usual crap covers they provide of some hero in some awkward pose you'd never see on a battlefield straight out of a nerd's fantasy.

 buddha wrote:
I'm realizing in horror that with the new objective secured rule eldar jetbikes just officially became the best troop choices in the game.

They weren't already?

Any pics of this super duper edition?

 Gargskull wrote:
Any pics of this super duper edition?

Page 1 of this thread has them.

edit: ah, nevermind. You meant the collector's one.