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 Pacific wrote:


Imagine, then, that a month after the iPhone came out then there was a pretty good chance the people you were phoning had the new iPhone, and you could no longer speak to them?

I think that's probably closer to the mark. If you turn up at a club for a random PUG in 2 months time, how many of those players are going to be using 6th edition? You've got a nice weighty book on the book shelf, full of lovely background and art. But, in that regard it's probably 95% similar to the rulesbooks from 3rd, 4th and 5th editions, sat next to it.

Yeah, this. This is what I meant.

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
No, hence my very specific choice of "much harder" rather than impossible.

And (although this is stupid) I chose my words because in this comparison you can only use your iPhone 4 to call other people who still have the iPhone 4!

I literally cannot over state how little I care at this point.

 DJGietzen wrote:
Pre-orders are live on US storefont
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Warhammer-40-000?N=102254+4294967192&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table&_requestid=176123

Also, Black Library has the ebob version for $10 bucks cheaper.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Warhammer-40000-eBook.html

I've been buying the iTunes versions but decided to try the ebook version for the AM codex and IMO it's just not worth the $10 (or whatever) discount. Granted, the iTunes versions are huge (1.5gb compared to a 50mb epub), and they're slightly more expensive, but the presentation is so much better. Tapping a rule, weapon or whatever and having the popup with all the relevant info is so nice. I'm really tempted to pick up the iTunes version of 7th.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
No, hence my very specific choice of "much harder" rather than impossible.

And (although this is stupid) I chose my words because in this comparison you can only use your iPhone 4 to call other people who still have the iPhone 4!

I literally cannot over state how little I care at this point.

Actually you just posted. So you must have some level of care. And what's "literally" doing there? Are you ESL? Didn't you also just state that people have a right to an opinion? How 'bout you stop trying to be the leader of the Mod Cadet Corps for a few pages?



Back on topic:

Dang I hate these choices, between digital and paper, getting the psychic cards or not, ergh!

I really really wish they sold the hardback rules from the collector set by themselves. I must admit, that until this moment, I didn't think the two year turnaround would bother me. But now I've got that massive 6th ed book I just bought that's worthless.

A pox upon you G'dub.

Couldn't find delete, I apologize to the mods

Preoder is up on this UK site at least, they just emailed the link out:

http://kirtongames.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=852

The final volume, The Rules, is a 208 page book contains all the rules for playing games of Warhammer 40,000.

Uhm, no, it does not

I really wish they'd put up some photos of the actual pages of the books. Pictures of the covers aren't very helpful.

 Lobukia wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
No, hence my very specific choice of "much harder" rather than impossible.

And (although this is stupid) I chose my words because in this comparison you can only use your iPhone 4 to call other people who still have the iPhone 4!

I literally cannot over state how little I care at this point.

Actually you just posted. So you must have some level of care. And what's "literally" doing there? Are you ESL? Didn't you also just state that people have a right to an opinion? How 'bout you stop trying to be the leader of the Mod Cadet Corps for a few pages?

Ah, the Internet, last bastion of pedantry, I did consider not posting, but in a meta, the Internet will eat itself sort of a way, felt the only way I could express how it wasn't important, to me or the discussion, was to express how it wasn't important.

I'd also be interested on your thoughts how Bull0's post contains any sort of opinion, of his or anyone else? It's more an explanation, if anything, but pertaining to a line of conversation that won't do anyone any favours in keeping the thread in roughly the right direction, hence my attempt to kill it dead, might have worked too if you hadn't chosen to get offended by something that didn't involve you. I'm not attempting to moderate, I'm doing it for my own sanity, because a thread this size struggles to stay on course as it is, and some of the utterly irrelevant bs that keeps spewing out just doesn't need to be taking up real estate in my brain.

I'm aware of the irony of posting off topic posts in response to attempts to keep things on topic, so by all means respond if you like, but I won't be any further.

 Battlesong wrote:

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
Maybe it's time that all those melee units learned that ranged weapons have been making melee mostly obsolete since approximately 1700.

39,299 years is long enough to get the gist, right?

Y'know, in theory I understand it's a little bit ludicrous to be looking for close combat in a sci-fi wargame above the skirmish level; however GW makes armies that are primarily close combat armies and therefore they should put SOME effort into making sure those models are somewhat viable - seriously, I would love to actually use my genestealers at some point.

I always figured 40k humanity needed close combat marines because you shoot a bunch of orks, and they keep coming, so you shoot a bunch of more orks, and they still keep coming, so you keep shooting orks untill soon enough you have to pull out that chainsword and get down and dirty with the green tide because they are not waiting for you to reload.

And, uh, this should be clear in 7th edition imo. Totally on topic.

 undertow wrote:

 vadersson wrote:
The Black Library has the preorder up for the eBook. $59.99 US?!?! Sigh, for that price I may just get the hardback.

I know the pre-order thing has already been covered to death in this thread, but why on earth would anyone pre-order a digital copy of something? I can understand placing a pre-order for a physical item if you're worried about getting a copy guaranteed when the store opens. However, a pre-order on digital goods that have no real scarcity issues just seems like lunacy to me.

who cares when someone places their order? if i decide to place my order today or the day it comes out, why is that lunacy? do i NEED to, no. but if i'm going to buy it, why should i wait till the day it comes out if i think about doing it now? is that money going to grow in the next week if i don't spend it?...

is there an advantage to preordering digital? No. Is there a disadvantage? No.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
No, hence my very specific choice of "much harder" rather than impossible.

And (although this is stupid) I chose my words because in this comparison you can only use your iPhone 4 to call other people who still have the iPhone 4!

I literally cannot over state how little I care at this point.

Well, I'll go feth myself then. Pedantry's only interesting if you're doing it. Gotcha.

Oh, calm down. If you're genuinely offended and didn't see the deadpan behind my comment, hit the triangle.

Otherwise stop taking this so seriously.

Back on topic, at least the normal eddition is sub 99 usd.
Might just go get it

$140?? Holy cow batman this hobby just got too expensive for me to do it any other way but old fashioned free download, wow.

Nah, I don't really see the funny side on that one Az, much as I don't see how explaining my logic merited your "humourous" put-down response.

"What Bull0 said totally didn't make sense."
"Yeah it did, because X"
"I *literally* couldn't un-overstate how little I don't not care about that"
"Harsh"
"Oh, calm down"

Amateur hour

A quote from he epub preview from Black Library of the 7th edition codex:



Do all your loins tremble in excitement?

Basimpo wrote:
$140?? Holy cow batman this hobby just got too expensive for me to do it any other way but old fashioned free download, wow.

BairdEC wrote:
US$140? I guess I'll have to wait and see what they eventually release as a cheaper option.

You're looking at the Australian price. US price is $85.

See? Linky

Look at the flag at the top right, people.

Also, poor Aussie bastards!

 zammerak wrote:

Oh yeah, and people are going to love it when I bring my 8 Heldrake / 13 DP / 8 Forgefiend / 32 Obliterator / 7 Lard Raider / 13 Predator / 280 troop Black Iron Alpha Nurgle unbound no max points list to the table.

I could play Apocalypse against myself atm.

200+ pages in, and we're drifting badly in here...

ON TOPIC and POLITE, please.

thanks!

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
A quote from he epub preview from Black Library of the 7th edition codex:



Do all your loins tremble in excitement?

Man, GW's "Forging the Narrative" is turning into the whole X-Bone thing- a term seen largely in derision.

And they only seem to be making it worse.

So downloaded the preview - can't really see much of interest?

noticed this:

Here, in serried ranks of unbroken valour, stand the Three Hundred – the elite of the Adeptus Custodes, the Emperor’s bodyguard. P

thats new isnt it? I bet they have spears and shields and look like Hoplites as well

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
A quote from he epub preview from Black Library of the 7th edition codex:



Do all your loins tremble in excitement?

I'm not paying GW to socialize me, I'm paying them to make a game. If I have to make a game and give them money, I'm not sure why I'm doing the second part.


The core problem has not been addressed from the looks of it, I don't think the 24th will be a good day. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


Remember kids, it's not a game, it's a "shared experience".

GAMESworkshop no no no, SHARED EXPERIENCE WORKSHOP.

No new starter box? So, the starter box is the same with an outdated rulebook and a little message on the website that "there are new rules available"? Also, if you want the current rulebook your choice is an $85US hardback or a $59-$69 ebook? I really need to step away for a little while and try a different company, this is really getting annoying.

You can say what you want, GW is Brilliant! They know we are sheepeople, who will justify this because we're so committed to the hobby financially.. Maybe they can get it down to an annual rulebook for $85. Stockholders will love that!

I haven't bought a big rulebook for the past two editions. You find higher priorities when you start a family. I'm gonna have a hard time stomaching this. I can't believe there isn't more outcry! I just have to find a group of like minded individuals, who are tired of this stuff and want to: Just play either this edition or an earlier one, make our own set of house rules, or download free rules from a games workshop competitor.

Since dumping Microsoft and installing Linux, I've begun to like free (and stickin it to the man).

Looking at the Munitorum edition on GW's website. It looks to come in a box similar in size to the Apocalypse limited edition I purchased not so long ago.

The books in the Apocalypse limited edition are about half the height of the standard edition rulebook. The formations are provided unbound, with tabs - which are hard to deal with when you have all your friends over. The books all have ribbons that let you pull them out of the way so you can get at whatever is underneath.

Does anyone think that GW will just release the "Rules" portion of that trilogy box set because here in Canada its costing a whopping $100 for 3 books, two of which I find incredibly useless. One is just a over-glorified catalogue of GW employee armies and the other is the fluff that will likely not have changed that much anyways from sixth. I.e. the latest event in the timeline is the unfixable fault in the emperor's chair and the 13th Black Crusade beginning.

 Mr Morden wrote:
So downloaded the preview - can't really see much of interest?

noticed this:

Here, in serried ranks of unbroken valour, stand the Three Hundred – the elite of the Adeptus Custodes, the Emperor’s bodyguard. P

thats new isnt it? I bet they have spears and shields and look like Hoplites as well

Close:
http://collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/File:Imperial_Bodyguard.jpg

 SwampRats45MK wrote:
Does anyone think that GW will just release the "Rules" portion of that trilogy box set because here in Canada its costing a whopping $100 for 3 books, two of which I find incredibly useless. One is just a over-glorified catalogue of GW employee armies and the other is the fluff that will likely not have changed that much anyways from sixth. I.e. the latest event in the timeline is the unfixable fault in the emperor's chair and the 13th Black Crusade beginning.

It's possible, but if you take 6th as a guide, it was quite late (ha!) in the life cycle before it emerged. I guess a 7th one could arrive sooner if the previous one sold well/quickly.

I'm going digital for this though, I can get itunes vouchers cheap, it is already cheaper than the real book, and the layout of the last book was so convoluted that I can see the hotlinks being a godsend.

But don't you need an ipad to properly make use of the iBook version?

 Battlesong wrote:

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
Maybe it's time that all those melee units learned that ranged weapons have been making melee mostly obsolete since approximately 1700.

39,299 years is long enough to get the gist, right?

Y'know, in theory I understand it's a little bit ludicrous to be looking for close combat in a sci-fi wargame above the skirmish level; however GW makes armies that are primarily close combat armies and therefore they should put SOME effort into making sure those models are somewhat viable - seriously, I would love to actually use my genestealers at some point.

In all fairness, in a universe in which the standard military rifle has an effective range of approximately 50 feet or less, hand to hand combat is a rather viable tactic for some.

Dark Vengeance is being pulled back to GW central to have a new '7th' rule book of some sort stuck in it (and presumably the old mini book purged) as is stated in White Dwarf, and repeatedly in this thread

so there will be 'cheap' rules available relatively soon

of course if you have to have them on release day... spend, spend, spend