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 azreal13 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:


Nothing worth getting into an argument over, guys. Seriously.

Exactly. Lokioldfart and I were simply replying on his matter-of-factness that the two army-types will not face each other, so it won't be so bad. Neither one of us saw any indication that there was a rule saying that the two would not face each other and that the special rule indicated that the two, in fact, would be facing each other, otherwise there would be no reason to introduce a bonus for choosing one over the other.

We weren't arguing (seriously, why does everyone seem to view everyone else on the Internet as a red faced shouting loon just because they're not agreeing) we were misunderstanding one another.

Agreed

And yes, people will still get behind the, "well I have to approve it" shield which is the opposite direction that GW is trying to push things. In trying to allow players to bring whatever they want, they may have alienated players even further.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Didn't know unbound allowed any unit from any codex always thought it had to be same army. What hero teams should there be then:
Avengers:
gazkull, hulk
Shadowsun, ironman
Shrike, wolverine
Assassin, black widow
?, spidermam
?, Hawkeye
Corteaz, thor
Drago, captain america

Painted in their colours it must be done the emperor wills it

Vindicare should be Hawkeye. Just give him a bow instead of a rifle.

Nah, Hawkeye would be that Eldar Ranger guy!

Lelith as Black widow,

Arjac as Thor (seriously... draigo??)

Has it been mentioned if a super scoring troop is in a transport they can still score? I hope not. I still hope they have to be out of a vehicle to still score. Surprised it's not mentioned on Objective secured that it doesn't say you can't score if you are in a vehicle.

 azreal13 wrote:
Nah, Hawkeye would be that Eldar Ranger guy!

But Hawkeye has multiple ammo types like the Vindicare. And they have sleek body suits...


The idea of unbound is kinda cool when you think you could have a true Imperium of Mankind army now with Marines, IG, Inquistion, Knights, Sisters all on one board, but we could basically do that now and it never happens.

It's another case of killing us with kindness.

Arjac does make a better choice

Struggling who should be cap draigo came up as he had a big shield but who else is there, Lysander?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Didn't know unbound allowed any unit from any codex always thought it had to be same army. What hero teams should there be then:
Avengers:
gazkull, hulk
Shadowsun, ironman
Shrike, wolverine
Assassin, black widow
?, spidermam
?, Hawkeye
Corteaz, thor
Drago, captain america

Painted in their colours it must be done the emperor wills it

Calgar
Lysander
Mephiston
Helbrecht

Throw someone pink in there and you've got the power rangers!

A bit off topic (may be worth doing a new thread)

But Farsight has a very 'Cap' shield on him

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Calgar
Lysander
Mephiston
Helbrecht

Throw someone pink in there and you've got the power rangers!

That would be amazing

Unbound would mean I get to do all sorts of fluffy stuff with my Tzeentch themed army with amazing scope for conversions etc (using the actual rules of other models and not as a proxy). I totally disagree art flourishes more with boundries as that seems a total contradiction in a way. Could be great for games against regular groups of friends and as some have pointed out, won't really impact most other areas of gaming (especially as you have to agree on it first).

Trazyn would be Loki.
I mean, he has the staff and everything.

 TheKbob wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Nah, Hawkeye would be that Eldar Ranger guy!

But Hawkeye has multiple ammo types like the Vindicare. And they have sleek body suits...


The idea of unbound is kinda cool when you think you could have a true Imperium of Mankind army now with Marines, IG, Inquistion, Knights, Sisters all on one board, but we could basically do that now and it never happens.

It's another case of killing us with kindness.

Yes we can do it now, but the problem is, a lot of people will say "NO you can't use it since it's not legal". So again, GW is giving us what a lot of people want but others are saying you can't do.

Now the question is, will Forge World be legal or will the debate still continue?

I hope they do just say "Forge World is legal" explicitly and clearly in the new rulebook. It's a headache trying to convince someone that just because it is FW does not make it OP.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Brotherjanus wrote:
I thought unbound meant anything you want? In the example given in the White Dwarf they talk about a riptide, a tyranid exocrine, and various other things. Tyranids can't ally with anyone.

Come The Apocalypse allies can now ally, with further restrictions over Desperate Allies (can't deploy within 12" of each other, perhaps even move within 12", not sure in that)

So, yes, technically you can put what you want on the table, but there are possible negatives to doing it, unlike with Apoc.

From what I've heard from my FLGS (by way of his rep) the restriction is only on deployment, after that they're Desperate allies.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I hope they do just say "Forge World is legal" explicitly and clearly in the new rulebook. It's a headache trying to convince someone that just because it is FW does not make it OP.

You guys must be talking about casual play correct? Because tournaments will have it clearly spelled out.

In casual play it is, as it always has been, something is permissible so long as you and your opponent agree to it.

When was the last time you had to ask allowance for someone to use Farsight Enclave?

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Calgar
Lysander
Mephiston
Helbrecht

Throw someone pink in there and you've got the power rangers!

That would be amazing

Azrael as the green ranger, and a knight titan converted to look megazordy....

On a point though, are we going to see super special character units inside an iron hands land raider achilles with a master of the forge inside it to keep it going?

Cheesey, and probably won't win you many games, but it would be great to see how long it takes them to go down!

No wait... YOU COULD GIVE EACH ONE OF THE CHARACTERS A VEHICLE CONVERTED TO BE LIKE A ZORD!!! OMGOMGOMGOMG!

The attitude of things being legal or not has always baffled me, surely you play eiter in a pre-set tournement setting, or are casual gaming with people you want to play. The whole concept of 'having to play against x/y/z' seems so utterly redundant!

Things I'm pondering:

How do all the assault based psychic powers work now, to include force weapons. Do they now have to be preemptively cast? Also, what of the assault powers that can be cast in both players assault phases, to include force weapons.

I believe Grey Knights/Inquisition can bring the cheapest psykers, more in unbound. 18pts gets you a mastery level one psyker.

Will allied psykers have independent warp charge pools? Or are they all the same? Big difference in power levels right there.

If snapshots are -2 BS, the Vindicare Assassin is the best AA gun in the game now with a 2 to hit and an average pen roll of 17, not accounting for rending.

Davor wrote:
Has it been mentioned if a super scoring troop is in a transport they can still score? I hope not. I still hope they have to be out of a vehicle to still score. Surprised it's not mentioned on Objective secured that it doesn't say you can't score if you are in a vehicle.

So far what we "know" is "everything scores" and "dedicated transports count as being in the same FOC as the units they're bought for", what we don't know is if vehicles can have "Objective Secured" that way (and if they can the BT all LR army just got a buff) or if a unit with Objective Secured can score from inside of one.

 Colpicklejar wrote:

Calgar
Lysander
Mephiston
Helbrecht

Throw someone pink in there and you've got the power rangers!

Lucius the Eternal?

Davor wrote:
Has it been mentioned if a super scoring troop is in a transport they can still score? I hope not. I still hope they have to be out of a vehicle to still score. Surprised it's not mentioned on Objective secured that it doesn't say you can't score if you are in a vehicle.

all units are scoring units now in Warhammer 40,000,
"Dan: Almost every unit can control an Objective Marker, which means you’ll have some
hard-fought battles wrestling them away from Tyrannofexes or from underneath the tracks
of a Land Raider. One of the advantages of being a Battle-forged army is that your Troops
always trump an opponent’s scoring units (unless they too are Battle-forged), enabling them
to capture objectives even with enemy units nearby."

Forget what you know. The old ways are dead, and a horizon of limitless possibilities has
opened up for the armies of Warhammer 40,000.

Forget what you know. The old ways are dead, and a horizon of limitless sales has
opened up for (Games Workshop) armies of Warhammer 40,000.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Davor wrote:
Has it been mentioned if a super scoring troop is in a transport they can still score? I hope not. I still hope they have to be out of a vehicle to still score. Surprised it's not mentioned on Objective secured that it doesn't say you can't score if you are in a vehicle.

So far what we "know" is "everything scores" and "dedicated transports count as being in the same FOC as the units they're bought for", what we don't know is if vehicles can have "Objective Secured" that way (and if they can the BT all LR army just got a buff) or if a unit with Objective Secured can score from inside of one.

The same goes for Blood Angel armies, and especially since their land raider can deep strike!

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Davor wrote:
Has it been mentioned if a super scoring troop is in a transport they can still score? I hope not. I still hope they have to be out of a vehicle to still score. Surprised it's not mentioned on Objective secured that it doesn't say you can't score if you are in a vehicle.

So far what we "know" is "everything scores" and "dedicated transports count as being in the same FOC as the units they're bought for", what we don't know is if vehicles can have "Objective Secured" that way (and if they can the BT all LR army just got a buff) or if a unit with Objective Secured can score from inside of one.

The same goes for Blood Angel armies, and especially since their land raider can deep strike!

Now if it could only Deepstrike like a Mawloc can....

"Avengers:
gazkull, hulk
Shadowsun, ironman
Shrike, wolverine
Lilith, black widow
Warp spider exarc or some nid thing, spidermam
Vindicare, Hawkeye
Corteaz, thor
Drago, captain america "

Make it happen right now.

 Sigvatr wrote:
When was the last time you had to ask allowance for someone to use Farsight Enclave?

I wouldn't know I've never used it , but yes I get your point, but that has to do more with perception of power than anything else. Hell, an opponent could choose not to play anything. So having a rule that specifically says that x is now legal doesn't mean all groups or places will allow it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Davor wrote:
Has it been mentioned if a super scoring troop is in a transport they can still score? I hope not. I still hope they have to be out of a vehicle to still score. Surprised it's not mentioned on Objective secured that it doesn't say you can't score if you are in a vehicle.

So far what we "know" is "everything scores" and "dedicated transports count as being in the same FOC as the units they're bought for", what we don't know is if vehicles can have "Objective Secured" that way (and if they can the BT all LR army just got a buff) or if a unit with Objective Secured can score from inside of one.

The same goes for Blood Angel armies, and especially since their land raider can deep strike!

Now if it could only Deepstrike like a Mawloc can....

That would give a new meaning to "sh*****g bricks".

In fact come to think of it...an Unbound army of Landraiders could be a hard counter to an Unbound Tyranid swarm army like the one featured in WDW.

Your opponent has hundreds of bugs, too many to kill using a balanced list? No problem, just drop bricks Landraiders on them. Literally.

Your opponent can't complain - you're Forging a Narrative.

 Sihdhartha wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
When was the last time you had to ask allowance for someone to use Farsight Enclave?

I wouldn't know I've never used it , but yes I get your point, but that has to do more with perception of power than anything else. Hell, an opponent could choose not to play anything. So having a rule that specifically says that x is now legal doesn't mean all groups or places will allow it.

You got it exactly

FW rules are very hit and miss. There obviously are a few stupidly overpowered things, but most of it is actually even underpowered. Granted, as usual, guess what a lot of people get. And yes, FW keeps up with the insane marine favorism...but Xenos get some nice things too. Sentry Pylons e.g. are amazing.

 Desubot wrote:
"Avengers:
gazkull, hulk
Shadowsun, ironman
Shrike, wolverine
Lilith, black widow
Warp spider exarc or some nid thing, spidermam
Vindicare, Hawkeye
Corteaz, thor
Drago, captain america "

Make it happen right now.

Someone has done something similar to that before: