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Basimpo wrote:
Heres an idea for my first tourney unbound army list. Feedback appreciated!
Dark angels codex
1500 points
15 chaplains w/ combi melta @100pt ea.
1500 points.

I figure to attack like 2 girls 1 cup: 15 chaplains 1 squad.
They are are all independent chars so any movement leaving any chaplains out of coherency simply forms their own unit.

Well, thats it for strategy so far. Meltas for tank damaging i suppose. Still working on usefulness.

Im excited for unbound, now i dont have to call some of the local players in my town cheats for fielding more than the foc, i can just say ahhhh unbound nice.

The worst description of a battle plan ever written.

Basimpo wrote:

I figure to attack like 2 girls 1 cup: 15 chaplains 1 squad.

15 chaplains defecate into the squad and then start slowly eating them? O_o

Not sure if that works.

 Ghaz wrote:
I believe someone needs to read the forum rules.

Amended slightly for the delicate minds out there.


My bad!

I Dont really mind the new edition. I was perturbed at first, then I thought more about it. For 6th edition(for me) bought for $80. I got 22 months use out of it, averaging 3 games a month, averages close to $1.22 a game. Not parading saying "Hail to the next edition!" but Ive gotten a fair amount of use from my rulebook. I know some people will have worse averages. I am pretty excited over all the new stuff, except the rumor to jink for my ravenwing

Double post.

 Sigvatr wrote:

Basimpo wrote:

I figure to attack like 2 girls 1 cup: 15 chaplains 1 squad.

15 chaplains defecate into the squad and then start slowly eating them? O_o

Not sure if that works.

I thought the idea was it'd be so horrible everyone who witnessed it would have their stomachs churn in protest.

Yeah, Mr. Wilson sounds very "head in the sand" and chooses to be or isn't keen on the competition that now exists in the year of our Lord Emprah 2014.

Games get fixed at the speed of internet these days. Nothing about Games Workshop games can be described as balanced. And balanced games are more fun and no they are not chess... Having played a great majority of them these days.

There's a very good reason why those games are seeing an increase in their market share and GW is seeing a decrease*. But sure, let's all pile on the positive train without a single critical thought.

Choo - Choo!

*Discussed in other threads that provide the facts, can't be bothered to go link them.

I find it very strange that one would think that customers owe gratitude to a company they purchase from. IMO, paying for the product means you owe them nothing, including gratitude.

 Dracos wrote:
I find it very strange that one would think that customers owe gratitude to a company they purchase from. IMO, paying for the product means you owe them nothing, including gratitude.

I'm gonna go out in a limb and say an $85 BRB + $50 Splat book shouldn't require house ruling or amateur game designing to make functional.

You can have a good starter army and the rules for any other game at that price. But hey, those don't count. We should be thankful for the opportunity for new (and required, if you want updates and product support) rules for the game!

Honestly I am kind of wondering how many armies we will actually see that are unbound.

Re Mortarion - NEED but can wait until he's on general release rather than paying a whopping £110 from Ebay!
I like the scythe - remember that they were probably first used as weapons by farmers fighting off raiders. + this is awesome:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Something like this?

Oops - 2nd part is in the wrong thread!!

double post

 bubber wrote:

Re Mortarion - NEED but can wait until he's on general release rather than paying a whopping £110 from Ebay!
I like the scythe - remember that they were probably first used as weapons by farmers fighting off raiders.:

How about this as a Mortarion? Dunno if the scale is right for gaming though...

http://www.kabukimodels.com/en/knights-of-legend/81-steam-knight.html

Heres another list Id like to play for fun

1500 point game
27 x Warlocks w/ singing spear and jetbike @55pt ea.
1485 points (Taking a 15 point handicap. Hey, I dont want to be TFG you know!)

Also I was pondering along the lines of the far future of 40k (Get the pun...far future of 40k years in the future...but still you know, just 40k in like a few months) in 8th edition (which I predict to emerge from warped space in approx 16 months) what GW is going towards for unbound: Any unit/model/char from any codex, any game. Yes, when 8th ed comes out you can quote me free of charge. Heres what my so called "theoretical" list will be (which because this will certainly happen it wont actually be theoretical)

1500 point game
3 helldrakes
1 BT chaplain (for preferred enemy everything)
Azrael (I mean, he'd give everyone invuln saves. Holy throne man!)
Ghrazkhul Thraka (To Waaagh! The helldrakes)
My maxed out char from legendary edition skyrim w/console cheats activated
Super Mario with the fire flower
Imotekh the Stormlord to zap everyone with his lightning powers
This dudes 3rd level character from 4th ed D&D I overheard them talking about (I mean, his char got 50k gold pieces from killing a goblin! Wow!)
4 Wave serpents
2 more wave serpents
10 warlocks on jetbikes w/singing spears.

Still got a hundred points to play with, hmmm.

I think the rules about conjuring are going to be really important and can't wait to see those. There's no way conjured units can assault the turn they come into play, or at least one would hope.

I'm just wondering if they can cast psychic powers.

I think my reaction to 7th edition will be to buy Valkia the bloody (from the WFB range), paint her, play my usual SoB list with her added on top as a chaos lord proxy, and then never buy anything else from GW.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 bubber wrote:

Re Mortarion - NEED but can wait until he's on general release rather than paying a whopping £110 from Ebay!
I like the scythe - remember that they were probably first used as weapons by farmers fighting off raiders.:

How about this as a Mortarion? Dunno if the scale is right for gaming though...

http://www.kabukimodels.com/en/knights-of-legend/81-steam-knight.html

Spoiler:

While a nice sculpt, the Kabuki sculpts are about half the size of the FW ones, so while they make good counts as Captains/CMs or display models, they don't make very good Primarchs!

Hollismason wrote:
Honestly I am kind of wondering how many armies we will actually see that are unbound.

Even though im saying sort of sarcastic stuff, I really am excited for unbound armies. But Id really only have them ready to play against people I contact beforehand. Id never show up to a shop and do a pickup game like Oh want to play a 1500 point game? What do you got? I already have a 1.5k list. Oh youre playing nilla IG ccs and platoons that equals 1500 points? Yeah, Im bring 6 bland Iron Hands landraiders bro. Good luck.

When escalation first came out I played a pickup game against a dude that brought a khorne killer or A khorne shucker or whatever that super heavy is. He asked me fair and square before the match if I wanted to play against it (courtesy) and I said by all means! He wiped me out. Was I mad at him for playing a super heavy? Nope, he gave me a chance to play him on even terms and I chose to have the odds stacked against me. I lost but I had fun.

If pickup games were like that, then cool. Some people really are TFG. Theyll be the type to tell you that they are playing this such and such unbound army and youre like Sure! Sounds great just let me get my models from my car! Then you get in your car and drive away. Cause you know, theres no way youre going to be able to beat 9 transcendent ctans with your 4 squads of guardians, 2 warwalkers etc etc.


But for super fun games its going to be AWESOME!

Hollismason wrote:
I think the rules about conjuring are going to be really important and can't wait to see those. There's no way conjured units can assault the turn they come into play, or at least one would hope.

I'm just wondering if they can cast psychic powers.

This help ? "The Pink Horrors are an even more terrifying prospect. If your unit is big enough, they will
generate two psychic powers. If they get Sacrifice, blast one of their number into the Warp
and turn it into a Herald. Make it a Herald of Tzeentch and you get even more psychic powers
with which to summon more Pink Horrors, which can then also be turned into Heralds.
There’s a bit of luck involved, but if you’ve already turned to Daemonology then your
immortal soul is already damned, so what’s the harm in trying, eh?"

Basimpo wrote:
Super Mario with the fire flower

I rather the one with the cape. You get flyer type, vector strike and a spinning attack!

 loki old fart wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
I think the rules about conjuring are going to be really important and can't wait to see those. There's no way conjured units can assault the turn they come into play, or at least one would hope.

I'm just wondering if they can cast psychic powers.

This help ? "The Pink Horrors are an even more terrifying prospect. If your unit is big enough, they will
generate two psychic powers. If they get Sacrifice, blast one of their number into the Warp
and turn it into a Herald. Make it a Herald of Tzeentch and you get even more psychic powers
with which to summon more Pink Horrors, which can then also be turned into Heralds.
There’s a bit of luck involved, but if you’ve already turned to Daemonology then your
immortal soul is already damned, so what’s the harm in trying, eh?"

They can generate two powers whatever, as if you generate powers from one discipline them you get the Primaris for free. This helps, as you've got FFoF as anti infantry and then the Tzeentch Lore has a good chance of giving some sort of anti armour choice too.

As for the recursive daemon thing, yes it is possible, but there are a lot of things that need to fall into place. Take it from someone using daemons regularly, even getting off one PSA has enough points of failure to not be something you rely on, and that when your opponent can only DTW on a 6 on one dice.

Also just because you summoned them does not mean you get more warpcharge points that turn as they are generated at the start of the phase. if conjured units cant score then you are basically building a lot of models that cant do anything for the win conditions.

 Leth wrote:
if conjured units cant score then you are basically building a lot of models that cant do anything for the win conditions.

Unless the win condition is "kill things", then they can do plenty for it.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 bubber wrote:

Re Mortarion - NEED but can wait until he's on general release rather than paying a whopping £110 from Ebay!
I like the scythe - remember that they were probably first used as weapons by farmers fighting off raiders.:

How about this as a Mortarion? Dunno if the scale is right for gaming though...

http://www.kabukimodels.com/en/knights-of-legend/81-steam-knight.html

Spoiler:

Thought of that, bought him, really don't like it. Way too small + his hands are tiny - smaller than a standard SM :(

 Alex C wrote:

 Leth wrote:
if conjured units cant score then you are basically building a lot of models that cant do anything for the win conditions.

Unless the win condition is "kill things", then they can do plenty for it.

Your remains, even if a troops choice, still cannot score. Neither can your smoldering ash or defiled corpses.




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 bubber wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 bubber wrote:

Re Mortarion - NEED but can wait until he's on general release rather than paying a whopping £110 from Ebay!
I like the scythe - remember that they were probably first used as weapons by farmers fighting off raiders.:

How about this as a Mortarion? Dunno if the scale is right for gaming though...

http://www.kabukimodels.com/en/knights-of-legend/81-steam-knight.html

Spoiler:

Thought of that, bought him, really don't like it. Way too small + his hands are tiny - smaller than a standard SM :(

Kabuki uses true scale. Most mini makers do this instead of the exaggerations of heroic scale. It's a design choice. I've found that heroic can make models a bit too cartoony at times, IMO. Doesn't stop me from liking them, but it's a thing.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Leth wrote:
if conjured units cant score then you are basically building a lot of models that cant do anything for the win conditions.

Unless the win condition is "kill things", then they can do plenty for it.

Your remains, even if a troops choice, still cannot score. Neither can your smoldering ash or defiled corpses.

And if Slaaneshi Daemons are summoned, there will be much defiling of corpses...

 Alex C wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Leth wrote:
if conjured units cant score then you are basically building a lot of models that cant do anything for the win conditions.

Unless the win condition is "kill things", then they can do plenty for it.

Your remains, even if a troops choice, still cannot score. Neither can your smoldering ash or defiled corpses.

And if Slaaneshi Daemons are summoned, there will be much defiling of corpses...

Was thinking Dark Eldar, but close enough.

 Alex C wrote:

 Leth wrote:
if conjured units cant score then you are basically building a lot of models that cant do anything for the win conditions.

Unless the win condition is "kill things", then they can do plenty for it.

Unless you start summoning troops that actually do damage which is going to eat into this magical un-ending supplies of warp charges. While you are also summoning some of the weakest models in the game. Unless you were assuming that your opponent was just sitting there the entire time.

I don't buy into this whole "yo dawg, I'm summoning Daemons who can summon Daemons who can summon Daemons" line of thinking anyway. Overly reliant on perfect circumstances and inaction of your opponent.

So i was talking to my store manager today, and he said that flyers now no longer get jink saves unless you command them to dive or evade. You cannot shoot (im not sure if he meant at full ballistic skill or not at all) whilst doing defensive maneuvers, unless you upgrade your pilots skill. So there are also ranks to your pilot's skills now.