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For the delayed munitorium editions I am curious why you left out the part about the people are getting the standard edition, a voucher and then the limited edition when the problem is resolved?

BS rumor confirmed so thats nice. I think the new relentless rules make the chimera and the militarum tempestus taurox make more sense.

Relentless hotshot volley guns...yes please.

coredump wrote:

 gozer il gozeriano wrote:

Tyfus wrote:
- Snapshots are at BS1 sorry.

Sad news indeed
I really liked the -2BS rumor

No, I think it would make snapshots too powerful. At -4BS I could get behind it. Now really high does some good, but everyone else is just hoping.

Of course you are right. It was my hate for Chaos Dragons speaking.......
although I'd prefer a malus to a general rule rather than a new rule

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
That's pretty grim in terms of sales then. Possibly only 1000 sold?

Yeah they only made £200,000 from about £100 worth of paper and carboard, sounds really grim :(

Indeed, but these collectors editions (of larger runs) used to sell out in hours rather than days or weeks, so there are a lot less buyers.

That's the only way they are going to listen.

My thought exactly!

 Leth wrote:
For the delayed munitorium editions I am curious why you left out the part about the people are getting the standard edition, a voucher and then the limited edition when the problem is resolved?

Because the people affected would know that anyway, and those not affected might feel they missed out.

 Leth wrote:
I think the new relentless rules make the chimera and the militarum tempestus taurox make more sense.

Relentless hotshot volley guns...yes please.

Which new relentless rules? Did I miss something?

Warseer dude:

A little correction as some people were wondering what I was saying. When I said in a previous post "affect your abjuration" what I meant was "affect your dispelling attempt roll".

Some other thing before I forget, Gate of Infinity is now on the Sanctic list and one of the Sanctic powers is a strength D Vortex. I'm pretty sure a lot of the powers from the GK Codex like Hammerhand are now there.

 Leth wrote:
For the delayed munitorium editions I am curious why you left out the part about the people are getting the standard edition, a voucher and then the limited edition when the problem is resolved?

So the collectors edition pre order now get the standard edition as well, and then the collectors edition when it's ready? Seems like the Munitorum edition is worth it now

Tyfus wrote:
Going from memory yes wounds/HP loss are here on the majority of effects, usually as the "better" effect that you get from a successful Ld test (results on the table read as "Take Ld test, success= suffers this, failure= suffers that).

Why do I see Shadows in the Warp not getting any change at all, since the Ld penalty would now have an actual (although pathetically minor) penalty for psykers?

Loopstah wrote:

 Leth wrote:
For the delayed munitorium editions I am curious why you left out the part about the people are getting the standard edition, a voucher and then the limited edition when the problem is resolved?

Because the people affected would know that anyway, and those not affected might feel they missed out.

Okay because it sounded like you were giving people bitching bait intentionally. If you have a legitimate gripe that is fair but to intentionally withhold information to make someone look worse is pretty low.

It said above that it was rumored that transports gave their passengers relentless finally.

 xttz wrote:
Warseer dude:

A little correction as some people were wondering what I was saying. When I said in a previous post "affect your abjuration" what I meant was "affect your dispelling attempt roll".

Some other thing before I forget, Gate of Infinity is now on the Sanctic list and one of the Sanctic powers is a strength D Vortex. I'm pretty sure a lot of the powers from the GK Codex like Hammerhand are now there.

I was actually thinking of selling my unbuilt Grey Knight army. Now I think I'll keep it. An army full of psykers generating a ton of warp charge and chucking about D vortexes, along with Scoring Dreadknights and landraiders, thank you GW.

Loopstah wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Warseer dude:

A little correction as some people were wondering what I was saying. When I said in a previous post "affect your abjuration" what I meant was "affect your dispelling attempt roll".

Some other thing before I forget, Gate of Infinity is now on the Sanctic list and one of the Sanctic powers is a strength D Vortex. I'm pretty sure a lot of the powers from the GK Codex like Hammerhand are now there.

I was actually thinking of selling my unbuilt Grey Knight army. Now I think I'll keep it. An army full of psykers generating a ton of warp charge and chucking about D vortexes, along with Scoring Dreadknights and landraiders, thank you GW.

I have reason to fear my Mrs' GK again :(

 Leth wrote:

Okay because it sounded like you were giving people bitching bait intentionally. If you have a legitimate gripe that is fair but to intentionally withhold information to make someone look worse is pretty low.

It might have seemed that way, I just didn't want to brag. GW Customer service are my favourite people at the minute, and I'll happily shout out that when GW drop the ball they make up for it big time. I'm annoyed they can't get me my box on time (as I probably wont be able to collect it till the Saturday after) but the reparations are more than worth the delay. So 10% annoyed, 90% happy.

 TheKbob wrote:
The other half of the 7E equation is the necessary Day One FAQs.

Will they be available Day One, that's the first check.

Second, do they address the actual issues that are within the books, regardless of edition change.

Third, how do they change the books with the edition.

This is almost as important or more than any rule change the new big rule book brings. If we have really seen the big changes as they stand now, then that's bad. None of that is showing an $85 value. If the FAQs are delayed, that's extremely bad as some units will be unplayable within the framework. I'll definately be soaking in the FAQs and reading the change summaries here and other

I'll be backing up copies of the 6E FAQs later today. Anyone know where I can get the 5E FAQs?

something i must say, i just realised my CSM digi codex will get auto updated to 7th ed riiight? i mean not a 7th ed codex, BUT the rules and other changes should be in there for 7th ed?


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Herzlos wrote:
The collectors edition hasn't sold out this time round?

sold out in aus in under a day

 xttz wrote:
Some guy posted this on /tg:

I had two hours with this new rulebook this arvy and youre all going to disappointed how little has actually changed. The biggest most extreme stuff was in the wd last week. New missions and psychic phase other than that it's tweaks so insignificant you'll not notice them until someone calls you out on you doing the wrong thing a few months from now.

>snap shots are only -2bs
That's a made-up rumour.

IF this is correct, I can guarantee I'm not buying a book until the minibooks start showing on ebay or I can find someone to split the repackaged DV with me. 85.00 for what would amount to about 80% of the same material as the book I have and a whole book of pictures I won't even open is crappy even for GW. For 6th edition I went to a midnight release at my LGS; for this one, I don't even care to get a book. At the least, I will wait for a couple of reviews (again thanks in advance to Clockwork Zion for taking on this task) before I jump in at all. I don't want to quit this game - I like my models, I like the story, I like the people I play with, but the game itself is really not very good. It just seems like GW has given up on trying to make an actual game, and just tries to shoehorn in whatever they think is cool.

Tyfus wrote:More from same source at warseer:

"Going from memory yes wounds/HP loss are here on the majority of effects, usually as the "better" effect that you get from a successful Ld test (results on the table read as "Take Ld test, success= suffers this, failure= suffers that). The most favorable result nets you a 3++ save and I think the additional effects are smash, armorbane and fleshbane until the next Psychic phase (I was reading a foreign page and understanding what a translated USR is can be a real pain).

So taking perils with a high Ld model is actually a good thing, lol.

Loopstah wrote:

 Leth wrote:

Okay because it sounded like you were giving people bitching bait intentionally. If you have a legitimate gripe that is fair but to intentionally withhold information to make someone look worse is pretty low.

It might have seemed that way, I just didn't want to brag. GW Customer service are my favourite people at the minute, and I'll happily shout out that when GW drop the ball they make up for it big time. I'm annoyed they can't get me my box on time (as I probably wont be able to collect it till the Saturday after) but the reparations are more than worth the delay. So 10% annoyed, 90% happy.

Sorry to jump down your throat. There is just non-stop negativity and pessimism here about things that are most likely not going to be a problem in 5 days...hard not to let it get to ya. Just want to enjoy talking about my toy soldiers and everyone gives you non stop gak for actually being positive or excited. That or imply you are an idiot for enjoying/paying for the game.

Lol I had to quit the forums at one point for 6 months just because it was pretty bad and was actually negatively impacting my day to day. Negativity is contagious.

Tyfus wrote:


"Immobilized results affect flyers differently now, they have a chance to immediately send it Crash and Burn. Coupled with Target Lock now serving a purpose on non-blast weapons, it ends up being a nice boost to the poor DA flyer."

But immobilized is now the "6" on the table, right? So really no change at all.

Grav centurions approve of this change, heartily.

 Lobukia wrote:

Tyfus wrote:


"Immobilized results affect flyers differently now, they have a chance to immediately send it Crash and Burn. Coupled with Target Lock now serving a purpose on non-blast weapons, it ends up being a nice boost to the poor DA flyer."

But immobilized is now the "6" on the table, right? So really no change at all.

Actually it's basically a perk since you can't get V-locked

Man this release is looking worse as the veil is lifted. Still waiting to see it, but I am not surprised all the early acclaim fall flat. So potentially fliers are better, psychers get stronger the more they perils (seriously find me a non LD10 psycher that is taken seriously) and a vindicare and a grot still snap fire with consistently similar results

Edit: never mind, misread that

Figured most of the Sanctic table would be GK codex powers.

Depends on which ones now.

 streamdragon wrote:

Tyfus wrote:
Going from memory yes wounds/HP loss are here on the majority of effects, usually as the "better" effect that you get from a successful Ld test (results on the table read as "Take Ld test, success= suffers this, failure= suffers that).

Why do I see Shadows in the Warp not getting any change at all, since the Ld penalty would now have an actual (although pathetically minor) penalty for psykers?

Because doing anything else might be a boon to the Nids and we all know GW can't give the Nids anything since they are already Soooooo OP.......

 Battlesong wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

Tyfus wrote:
Going from memory yes wounds/HP loss are here on the majority of effects, usually as the "better" effect that you get from a successful Ld test (results on the table read as "Take Ld test, success= suffers this, failure= suffers that).

Why do I see Shadows in the Warp not getting any change at all, since the Ld penalty would now have an actual (although pathetically minor) penalty for psykers?

Because doing anything else might be a boon to the Nids and we all know GW can't give the Nids anything since they are already Soooooo OP.......

I don't know, harder to ground is good. Even if it accidentally spills over to Nids and was meant for Deamon Princes

 Battlesong wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

Tyfus wrote:
Going from memory yes wounds/HP loss are here on the majority of effects, usually as the "better" effect that you get from a successful Ld test (results on the table read as "Take Ld test, success= suffers this, failure= suffers that).

Why do I see Shadows in the Warp not getting any change at all, since the Ld penalty would now have an actual (although pathetically minor) penalty for psykers?

Because doing anything else might be a boon to the Nids and we all know GW can't give the Nids anything since they are already Soooooo OP.......

If the grounding checks are as soft as rumors say... you'll be just fine

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Tyfus wrote:


"Immobilized results affect flyers differently now, they have a chance to immediately send it Crash and Burn. Coupled with Target Lock now serving a purpose on non-blast weapons, it ends up being a nice boost to the poor DA flyer."

But immobilized is now the "6" on the table, right? So really no change at all.

Actually it's basically a perk since you can't get V-locked

Man this release is looking worse as the veil is lifted. Still waiting to see it, but I am not surprised all the early acclaim fall flat. So potentially fliers are better, psychers get stronger the more they perils (seriously find me a non LD10 psycher that is taken seriously) and a vindicare and a grot still snap fire with consistently similar results

I think you're blowing this out of proportion a bit, just because there is one possible result that makes psykers stronger when they perils (who knows if they still take a wound too...) doesn't mean that they will be getting stronger every time. I can only assume that if it's true, that buff will be a result of double 1's on the LD test or something similar.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Tyfus wrote:


"Immobilized results affect flyers differently now, they have a chance to immediately send it Crash and Burn. Coupled with Target Lock now serving a purpose on non-blast weapons, it ends up being a nice boost to the poor DA flyer."

But immobilized is now the "6" on the table, right? So really no change at all.

Actually it's basically a perk since you can't get V-locked

Man this release is looking worse as the veil is lifted. Still waiting to see it, but I am not surprised all the early acclaim fall flat. So potentially fliers are better, psychers get stronger the more they perils (seriously find me a non LD10 psycher that is taken seriously) and a vindicare and a grot still snap fire with consistently similar results

Spiritseer for Iyanden/Wraithguard lists, Warlocks for Seer Council Deathstar, Primaris Psyker

 Leth wrote:


Lol I had to quit the forums at one point for 6 months just because it was pretty bad and was actually negatively impacting my day to day. Negativity is contagious.

Good advice there, actually, but...

Have you checked out your avatar lately?!?

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Tyfus wrote:


"Immobilized results affect flyers differently now, they have a chance to immediately send it Crash and Burn. Coupled with Target Lock now serving a purpose on non-blast weapons, it ends up being a nice boost to the poor DA flyer."

But immobilized is now the "6" on the table, right? So really no change at all.

Actually it's basically a perk since you can't get V-locked

Man this release is looking worse as the veil is lifted. Still waiting to see it, but I am not surprised all the early acclaim fall flat. So potentially fliers are better, psychers get stronger the more they perils (seriously find me a non LD10 psycher that is taken seriously) and a vindicare and a grot still snap fire with consistently similar results

I think you're blowing this out of proportion a bit, just because there is one possible result that makes psykers stronger when they perils (who knows if they still take a wound too...) doesn't mean that they will be getting stronger every time. I can only assume that if it's true, that buff will be a result of double 1's on the LD test or something similar.

Isn't it called Perils of the Warp for a reason rather than Boost of the Warp - I dont really see why there should be anything positive on the "bad news" chart - even WFB magic miscasts don't (yet) do that

 Mr Morden wrote:


Isn't it called Perils of the Warp for a reason rather than Boost of the Warp - I dont really see why there should be anything positive on the "bad news" chart - even WFB magic miscasts don't (yet) do that

Havent they always said how unpredictable the Warp is? Having one good effect that is probably obtained when the stars align doesnt really go against that. The rest of the table is probably still bad news

 Lobukia wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

Tyfus wrote:
Going from memory yes wounds/HP loss are here on the majority of effects, usually as the "better" effect that you get from a successful Ld test (results on the table read as "Take Ld test, success= suffers this, failure= suffers that).

Why do I see Shadows in the Warp not getting any change at all, since the Ld penalty would now have an actual (although pathetically minor) penalty for psykers?

Because doing anything else might be a boon to the Nids and we all know GW can't give the Nids anything since they are already Soooooo OP.......

If the grounding checks are as soft as rumors say... you'll be just fine

Unless like me you don't run FMCs, so grounding checks don't matter one iota.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Tyfus wrote:


"Immobilized results affect flyers differently now, they have a chance to immediately send it Crash and Burn. Coupled with Target Lock now serving a purpose on non-blast weapons, it ends up being a nice boost to the poor DA flyer."

But immobilized is now the "6" on the table, right? So really no change at all.

Actually it's basically a perk since you can't get V-locked

Man this release is looking worse as the veil is lifted. Still waiting to see it, but I am not surprised all the early acclaim fall flat. So potentially fliers are better, psychers get stronger the more they perils (seriously find me a non LD10 psycher that is taken seriously) and a vindicare and a grot still snap fire with consistently similar results

I think you're blowing this out of proportion a bit, just because there is one possible result that makes psykers stronger when they perils (who knows if they still take a wound too...) doesn't mean that they will be getting stronger every time. I can only assume that if it's true, that buff will be a result of double 1's on the LD test or something similar.

Isn't it called Perils of the Warp for a reason rather than Boost of the Warp - I dont really see why there should be anything positive on the "bad news" chart - even WFB magic miscasts don't (yet) do that

Exactly my point. I also am not blowing anything out of proportion. I stated I was keeping an open mind until release. Until then we have only leaks to chat about. This leak, may well be false, but is very annoying if true regardless of how the mechanic works.


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Isn't it called Perils of the Warp for a reason rather than Boost of the Warp - I dont really see why there should be anything positive on the "bad news" chart - even WFB magic miscasts don't (yet) do that

Havent they always said how unpredictable the Warp is? Having one good effect that is probably obtained when the stars align doesnt really go against that. The rest of the table is probably still bad news

The issue is, and again this is based on speculation, that in a d6 system that usually uses tables based on a pair at most of said dice. "the stars align" way more often then should be represented. Even if its on snake eyes, your telling me the stars align every thirty six times on average? Its fine in the fluff but hilariously stupid to add such content outside of RPG's. Just my 2 cents anyway.