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 TheKbob wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I fully expect some errata to come out regarding this new combo.

I can't see it sticking, it's too powerful.

You are joking, right?

Can't feel despair without hope, right?

Wait a minute...

This combo isn't that great.

Staves are 2++ in CC.

OK, so you get 2+ rerolled... Grav Weapons don't care.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

LMAO!!!

Considering I have Raukaan CentStar and Vindicators, I should be ok.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Just saw the allies matrix, am liking it a lot. Seems closer to the fluff than the last one, and I like that all Imperials are battle brothers with each other now. Opens up some very cool allying options for my Sisters.

All I see it Deathstars taking a cheap wound soak in St. Celestine and using her for hit &r run while stacking priests with the Litanies of Faith.

So Padadins, Centurionstars, TH/SS termies, etc. with Hit&Run on a durable gal with reroll everything in close combat automatically, forgoing the new psychic power phase. Pile that into a LRC, since the rumor stats battle bros can ride dirty in their pals vehicles... boom.

So basically, Squad of Paladins w/ Psycannons + Warding Staves in LRC, w/ 2 Priests, St Celestine, and Draigo. Burst out and move from combat to combat with rerollable 2+ armor / 2++ invulnerable. Break out, shoot your target down, club them with staves, rinse, repeat. Break apart in the back field with Draigo to cause double havoc. Include an Inquisitor or Tech Marine for grenade fun. Make sure a banner is in there so you auto-pass your Force Weapon checks. Ta-da, forgone the entire psychic phase and you can reap all the benefits.

It's 1K of points, sure, but support it with Exorcists, Dominions, and 20 girl sister squads camping objectives... Have some fun...

I'd play against it. I'd also make sure that 1k points would be walking after the first turn. #godilovemylancespam

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

Heh. double sixes on shokk attack gun.

As soon as you blow up that Land Raider (as you would first turn) they are a point sink foot slogging across the board with relatively poor shooting.

The 6th ed death stars are good because most of them can move super fast. This one does not.

Necron flyer list, FMC spam etc.. would just run rings around it.

Is CronAir still a thing ?

I haven't seen Crons in over a year.

 44Ronin wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

Heh. double sixes on shokk attack gun.

haha, yezzz! and gakloads of cheap dakka. make them throw ones

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a donkey-cave exactly?

Well, donkeys are also called a 3 letter word that starts with a** and a cave is a hole in the ground. I'll let you work it out from there.

 Tonberry7 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a donkey-cave exactly?

Another word for a cave is a hole. Another word for a donkey is... Well, you can put it together at that point.

That leaked allies matrix is from a WD, right? When's that WD out?

Apologies, haven't really kept up with the new WD.

 Tonberry7 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a donkey-cave exactly?

It's dakka's censor. It automatically changes "a-hole" into donkey-cave.

http://tausend-tore.blogspot.de/

Did anyone already post the whole scan?

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes, if you can manage to shoot them to death before they reach you in melee and tear you a new donkey-cave, then you're good to go.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a donkey-cave exactly?

It's dakka's censor. It automatically changes "a-hole" into donkey-cave.

Ok I see now, thanks. The substitution doesn't really make sense where I'm from that's all.

It was less depressing without the article :(

Everyone does everything! All the time, everywhere. Whatever you want!
No, no, we really don't care what you do. Just do it. For the narration! For the mone..... for the emperor!

 Blacksails wrote:

 Thokt wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Just saw the allies matrix, am liking it a lot. Seems closer to the fluff than the last one, and I like that all Imperials are battle brothers with each other now. Opens up some very cool allying options for my Sisters.

All I see it Deathstars taking a cheap wound soak in St. Celestine and using her for hit &r run while stacking priests with the Litanies of Faith.

So Padadins, Centurionstars, TH/SS termies, etc. with Hit&Run on a durable gal with reroll everything in close combat automatically, forgoing the new psychic power phase. Pile that into a LRC, since the rumor stats battle bros can ride dirty in their pals vehicles... boom.

So basically, Squad of Paladins w/ Psycannons + Warding Staves in LRC, w/ 2 Priests, St Celestine, and Draigo. Burst out and move from combat to combat with rerollable 2+ armor / 2++ invulnerable. Break out, shoot your target down, club them with staves, rinse, repeat. Break apart in the back field with Draigo to cause double havoc. Include an Inquisitor or Tech Marine for grenade fun. Make sure a banner is in there so you auto-pass your Force Weapon checks. Ta-da, forgone the entire psychic phase and you can reap all the benefits.

It's 1K of points, sure, but support it with Exorcists, Dominions, and 20 girl sister squads camping objectives... Have some fun...

Please don't do that. Don't talke about it, don't think about. Awful.

#Forgingthenarrative

I got that at 1310 points not counting St. Celestine and assuming the priests are 25pts each.

10 paladins w/apothecary, 4 psycannons, 1 stave and Draigo = 1000pts
2 priests = 50pts
Landraider Crusader w/psybolt ammo = 260pts

You can thankfully only buy one staff per squad but 2+ armor re-rolling is bad enough. St. Celestine is only Toughness 3 so gets instant killed easily. You would have to be playing a pretty high point game to get your other required troops 1850-2k maybe even more if you wanted exorcists. It would be very hard to kill but at that points level it should be.

Another pretty nasty build for the same points which is legal now.
Pask punisher, relic plated = 213pts
2 executioners w/ plasma sponsons, relic plated = 376pts (get to re-roll gets hot due to preferred enemy)
Surrounded by 50 conscripts w/commissar and priest = 200pts
platoon command for FrFsrF! order = 30pts
2 infantry squads = 100pts
Dark Angels Librarian with power field generator = 95points (in infantry squad out of line of sight behind one of the tanks)
Dark Angels Tech Marine with power field generator = 85pts (in other infantry squad out of LOS)
5 man scout squad with camo and snipers (just cause I need a troop from DA)
3 primaris psykers to get divination powers maybe 4+ invul for the conscripts too but mainly for prescience on pask
1310 points, I should be able to get a demolisher for St Celestine's points or there abouts.

So we got 3 tanks that have preferred enemy, 4+ invul save, and a 4+ deny the witch from the relic armor and psychic hood from the libby, surrounded by 50 fearless dudes with a demolisher right behind them also with a 4+ invul save and a 4+ deny the witch. The libby and techmarine have 2+ LOS to 20 dudes with 4+ invuls as well.

Point being at around 1500 points it's a whole army and should be doing an armies worth of damage and taking an equal amount of punishment in return.

CtA Alliance with Tyranids is pretty good. We have a serious lack of backfield long range dakka, backfield is normally populated with pointless units, just standing there with there super short range guns. Now we just take front field Nid's (Which is most of the codex) and backfield *Whatever is best*

Tau broadsides? Pask in a vanquisher? 70pt conversion beamer inquisitors?

 Nem wrote:
CtA Alliance with Tyranids is pretty good. We have a serious lack of backfield long range dakka, backfield is normally populated with pointless units, just standing there with there super short range guns. Now we just take front field Nid's (Which is most of the codex) and backfield *Whatever is best*

How about Longfangs

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
So, the entire Imperium gets thrown together to mix and match at will, with plenty of allies.

The rest of the armies get nerfs, with the minor exception for nids.

What a pile of gak. So my Blood Axes are ruined. I cannot even begin to fathom how they managed to take the previous allies chart and MAKE IT WORSE?!?

Very angry.

One would suggest the cruel irony here is that you can indeed field your guard/ork force, by fielding an Unbound army.

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Tired of struggling to beat those pesky xenos, Don't worry. Here in the realm of Imperium-hammer you won't have to worry about playing with other factions. You see here, all the Imperium factions can play with themselves for as long as they want. No worry of being interrupted by non-Imperium players,....well except for those comic clowns of the Waaughsup. But don't worry, Their codex is gonna get the old 'nids treatment if ya know what I mean. Wink, wink, nudge nudge.

Not for nothing but I've never seen a xenos player ally with any imperium faction before, never.

 reds8n wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
So, the entire Imperium gets thrown together to mix and match at will, with plenty of allies.

The rest of the armies get nerfs, with the minor exception for nids.

What a pile of gak. So my Blood Axes are ruined. I cannot even begin to fathom how they managed to take the previous allies chart and MAKE IT WORSE?!?

Very angry.

One would suggest the cruel irony here is that you can indeed field your guard/ork force, by fielding an Unbound army.

Unbound make the whole allies chart irrelevant, if you put it that way.

Right because not having a re-rollable 2++ in close combat is ALL draigowing needed to be a top tier army.

That is all that was keeping them out of the top tables. One second let me get back inside before the sky falls.

I love how so many people who were complaining about the rules being about "forging a narrative" are now bitching about the fact that they cant forge their specific narrative. Its quite hilarious

A couple of pages back, somebody posted a super-duper death star list. So my question is: is the new edition of 40k broken before it even hits the shelves?

That must be some kind of record.

As for allies, I will say this. If I got back into 40k (and it's as about as likely as me making a run for the white house in 2016) I would draw a line in the sand. No allies, no mutants, no abhumans, no psykers, no nothing that wasn't human. Racial purity would be the order of the day!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
A couple of pages back, somebody posted a super-duper death star list. So my question is: is the new edition of 40k broken before it even hits the shelves?

That must be some kind of record.

As for allies, I will say this. If I got back into 40k (and it's as about as likely as me making a run for the white house in 2016) I would draw a line in the sand. No allies, no mutants, no abhumans, no psykers, no nothing that wasn't human. Racial purity would be the order of the day!

Super duper death star was quickly shot down a page after.

And Dark Eldar can still side with Chaos. How does that make any sense...

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I cannot even begin to fathom how they managed to take the previous allies chart and MAKE IT WORSE?!?

Uhh... welcome to the Games Workshop HHHobby?

*runs*