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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 06:10:34
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Fleshound of Khorne
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So with 6th edition books and the Dark Vengeance sets being pulled from the store shelves. It would seem that 7th edition is coming sooner rather than later.
So my question is, what do you expect to change? What do you think needs work? What do you hope will change?
For me, the Allies rules need some fixing and maybe even the Force Org Chart overhaul is due. I would also like to see assault rules strengthen and vehicles becoming more durable.
What say you?
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Khorne Daemonkin - 2100pts
Hive Fleet Cerberus 2500pts
Blood Pact Traitor Guard - 500pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 06:15:37
Subject: Re:7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I expect things to change but the overall quality to remain the same.
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 06:21:53
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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I expect nothing more than a bundling of all the "expansions" into the main rulebook.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 06:37:07
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
New Zealand
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I'm not holding my breath but I'd love to see a rule that limits SC to the Primary Detachment only.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 07:24:04
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I hope that if 7th ed realy happens soon , the AM codex won't suffer from last in the old edition syndrom .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 07:43:06
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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I suspect we're getting 6.5 rather than a true 7. Fixes and tweaks rather than changes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 08:51:41
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Makumba wrote:I hope that if 7th ed realy happens soon , the AM codex won't suffer from last in the old edition syndrom .
you mean like necrons suffered coming into 6th edition?
id be hoping that the first codex out isnt as lame as CSM.
BB to be nerfed to death
it should include the new stuff, escelation and fortifications, because the couple that were in there were woefully inadequate.
folding the FAQ and errata in.
spelling mistakes fixed.
i could keep going on haha
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CSM 20,000 Pts
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
6000+ Pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 09:27:08
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Dakka Veteran
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Do you think that the Assault Phase will be changed in any way?
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Andy Chambers wrote:
To me the Chaos Space Marines needed to be characterised as a threat reaching back to the Imperium's past, a threat which had refused to lie down and become part of history. This is in part why the gods of Chaos are less pivotal in Codex Chaos; we felt that the motivations of Chaos Space Marines should remain their own, no matter how debased and vile. Though the corrupted Space Marines of the Traitor Legions make excellent champions for the gods of Chaos, they are not pawns and have their own agendas of vengeance, empire-building vindication or arcane study which gives them purpose. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 09:33:44
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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doubt it, one rule i wouldnt mind seeing re introduced would be the old "hunker down" style rule.
it was instead of moving and shooting, you could hunker down, basically go to ground, and then overwatch, this could quite handily replace the current overwatch, as "cinematically" your preparing to be assaulted. it might confer overwatch at a FULL bs, but thats ok, because you didnt shoot during your own turn
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CSM 20,000 Pts
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
6000+ Pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 09:37:45
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
The darkness between the stars
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I expect a sidegrade that changes a few things but not as many as normal whilst largely leaving the game to be a mess whilst incorporating Apoc vehicles and the sorts in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 10:04:10
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Personally I'd love to see the game attain balance between shooting and assaulting, but I doubt it.
The only thing I would really like to see is Escalation and Stronghold assaults main rules being incorporated into the basic rulebook, no more would people be able to say its a supplement. Of course considering my FLGS they'll still probably say no but at least they will have to admit its a house rule.
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Everything I say, barring quotes and researched information, is my personal opinion. Not fact.
"Being into 40k but not the background is like being into porn but not masturbation..." - Kain
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 11:42:09
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I hope they roll escalation and stronghold assault into the book making Lord of War 100% legal in any game I choose. I will finally be able to give those netlists/tournament armies/triptide lists a taste of what its like to be stomped on in as little as 1250 points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 11:43:43
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Just give me back assaulting from transports. All I ask for right now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 11:45:58
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Hopefully they will define the "Relentless Smash" special rule that FMCs have.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:16:03
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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I'm going to assume it'll be a horrible flaming trainwreck covered in fecal matter. That way if it's anything better than that I'll be pleased, and if it's a horrible flaming trainwreck covered in fecal matter I'm already mentally ready to deal with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:22:01
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Infiltrating Prowler
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ClockworkZion wrote:I'm going to assume it'll be a horrible flaming trainwreck covered in fecal matter. That way if it's anything better than that I'll be pleased, and if it's a horrible flaming trainwreck covered in fecal matter I'm already mentally ready to deal with it.
Kindda' this tbh..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:34:46
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Assault from Reserves and I'm happy. No restrictions on first turn assaults either.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:38:29
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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SHUPPET wrote:Assault from Reserves and I'm happy. No restrictions on first turn assaults either.
This would basically mean your assault units could never be seen prior to the assault. May as well be running around playing CoD with a permanent invisibility hack on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:42:58
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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All I'm expecting is an incorporation of FAQs into the BRB, and incorporation of Escalation and Stronghold rules into the BRB.
And that's it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:46:29
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Dakka Veteran
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Xerics wrote: SHUPPET wrote:Assault from Reserves and I'm happy. No restrictions on first turn assaults either.
This would basically mean your assault units could never be seen prior to the assault. May as well be running around playing CoD with a permanent invisibility hack on.
Deploy better and use difficult terrain
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:49:30
Subject: Re:7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I think it will be 6.5 kind of like what D&D did with 3.5, it will bundle the expansions into the main rule book and fix some of the little problems but I would not expect any changes to the main rules such as assault. The new starter kit sounds coll and it will be cheaper well that is what I was told won't know until it hit the shelves
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:51:28
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Expectations:
- As previously mentioned, the escalation and stronghold roll-in.
- Some tweaks to "special rules".
- Some new re-imagining of the overwatch method.
- Just remove the random assault range...
- They will probably have another change to allocating the wounds to the closest model.
- They may even mess with the Allie chart again... maybe BT and SoB can play together...
- Make it so you can assault out of a vehicle but not get the extra attack unless it is open topped or has an assault ramp.
Anyway, this is just wishing again, we will see how it goes soon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:54:44
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Fixture of Dakka
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Kain wrote:I expect nothing more than a bundling of all the "expansions" into the main rulebook.
I don't even see this. Why would GW give the books for free, unless they are charging $200+ for the rule book?
I see more of the like, 6th edition staying the same, maybe with the FAQs in it, but with a statement one page or paragraph, saying something to the effect of of Stronghold Assault, Escalation, and data slates are "legal" for normal 40K games. Of course nothing will be mentioned about Forge World though, so the debate will still continue for that.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 12:57:26
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Zewrath wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:I'm going to assume it'll be a horrible flaming trainwreck covered in fecal matter. That way if it's anything better than that I'll be pleased, and if it's a horrible flaming trainwreck covered in fecal matter I'm already mentally ready to deal with it.
Kindda' this tbh..
It's my approach to pretty much everything. If I set my expectations low enough I'm rarely in a situation where things are worse than I imagined. It makes it a lot easier to enjoy things too since I'm not swept up in any hype for said things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 13:07:23
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Well, I wouldn't expect too much.
The whole system is a mess atm due to all these supplements, dataslates, Escalation and Stronghold.
The new edition should have some ordering function to bring all parts in line.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 13:09:00
Subject: 7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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I don't expect BB being nerfed at all. Half the armies can BB with each other - nerfing it would be shooting itself in the foot. I expecet Allies in general being nerfed, but not each degree in their core.
I expect an overhaul in the rules, trying to balance melee with shooting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 13:26:28
Subject: Re:7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Stoic Grail Knight
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I expect that "Imperial Guard" will be updated to "Astra Militarum."
This will be the only change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 13:28:07
Subject: Re:7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Accolade wrote:I expect that "Imperial Guard" will be updated to "Astra Militarum."
This will be the only change.
Well that and "Sisters of Battle" going to "Adepta Sororitas".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 13:31:08
Subject: Re:7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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ClockworkZion wrote: Accolade wrote:I expect that "Imperial Guard" will be updated to "Astra Militarum."
This will be the only change.
Well that and "Sisters of Battle" going to "Adepta Sororitas". 
And just to spite BT players, BT will be changed to " SM using BT Chapter Tactics".
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 13:31:37
Subject: Re:7th Edition: Great Expectations
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Stoic Grail Knight
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There will be no references to whatever...battle nuns you are talking about.
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