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I am a returning player and bought a 110 Orks on the cheep.

HQ
Warboss, Bike, Pk, Attack Squig, Cybork (Bike Sqaud)
Warboss, 'Eavy Armor, PK, Shoota/Skorcha, Attack Squig, Cybork ('ard Boyz Squad)

Elites
10 Kommandos, 2x Burnas, Nob PK BP

Troop
30 'ard Boyz Sluggas, 3x Rokkits, Nob PK BP
30 Sluggas, 3x Big Shootas, Nob PK BP
30 Shootas, 3x Big Shootas, Nob PK BP

Fast
6 Bikkers, Nob PK BP

Points~1500

I am looking for advice on what I have and what I should buy to reach 2K.
Also a friend is selling me a trukk this weekend.
Thanks,

Romours are orks are next for the update! Maybe wait afew months or so to wait and see but as of now. Lootas and kannons are great support for your tide! Maybe even drop one of the bikebosses for a kff bigmek.

Hey man, welcome back to Orkdom.

First off, I'd reccomend shootas for foot-slogging squads of boyz - that way you get more chance to do damage before you get stuck in, and they're still great in close combat. As well, bringing big shootas instead of rokkit launchas is ideal since it means you won't be wasting shoota shots when firing at a tank.

The 'Ard boyz upgrade isn't a good return on investment. A 4+ save isn't going to save a lot of Orks - a screen of grots will do almost the same thing for cheaper, on top of being a scoring unit itself!

The consensus around here with Ork bikers seems to be that they are hit-or-miss, especially if you only take one unit, mostly because they don't have a great leadership value (I miss back in the day when they were fearless!). One way to mitigate this is to play them as a squad of Nobs mounted on bikes - makes them tougher (plus you can give them a painboy for even more durability), have more punch on the charge (with multiple power klaws and big choppas), and makes them a scoring Troops unit thanks to your warboss. What's not to like? Well, the points cost for one, but you're already over-paying for the regular bikers - why not upgrade?

If you're not married to the idea of two warbosses, a big mek with a kustom force field can be a really big help to a footslogging army. That 5+ cover has saved my hide more times than I can count.

yeah, listen to jambles. i would first convert those bikes into nobs. that will turn them from a nothing unfocused fast attack choice into a very powerful troop choice. second i would also throw in 3 groups of three canons each with max ammo runts and some extra grots (count as scoring units with big guns never tire, nice!). then, as said above, id stick a mek with a kff in a unit of 30 grots. that will protect your boyz better than anything (so drop that armor). finally, id add snikrot and 5 more komandos into that squad, just to make sure it can obliterate anything it wants (plus they will get shot at, so they could use some extra body shields). if you still have points to fill, lootaz. cant go wrong there.

The models I bought are equipped as I listed them. Aren't I stuck playing them as the are? Or can I just say this Slugga Squad is actually a Shoota and these Rokkits are just funny looking Big Shootas?

I have a little Mek, but the games I have played have had so much cover that they were almost always in 5+ so I traded him for more Krumpin'.

I was thinking that I should wait until the new Codex, thanks for the bump on that one.

Also I really want the Flash Gitz to be good, but everyone blasts them. Are they supposed to be fixed?

So Lootas, Gunz and upgrade the Bikers to Nobs.

What about adding a Tank or Air Plane? Or will they be Targets since they are basically alone?


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Most people, and even most casual tournaments, will let you pull some "counts as" stuff.

I.E. if your entire bucket o' boyz are slugga boyz with rokkit launchas, you could probably count them as shootas and big shootas so long as it's a big thing. None of that "This mob of sluggas is actually sluggas, this mob is shootas, THAT mob ig sluggas.." jargon.

So as long as you make it perfectly clear that every boy has a shoota, and every rokkit is actually a big shoota, I doubt you'll get much in the way of protests.

Other than that? I'd honestly wait for the codex, that's what I'm doing. Just picking up stray cheap models here and there, converting some things at my leisure as I wait for our new dex.

As for an airplane, a 130 point dakkajet with an extra shoota and ace will be your best anti air, and it wont be too much of a target unless your opponant has lots of AA (it outflanks afterall) although ive always found massed boys to do the trick anyway (they basically hit on sixez already). if youve found you dont need the cover, works for you, use those Extra points to buy another 30 boy squad. tanks are too unreliable for me, and flash gitz are overpriced for what they are (just wait till the new codex on those, im sure they will be changed). as for your models, depends on the place. tournis might be sticklers, but local game shops wont give a damn (i run a lotr oliphant as a squiggoth...)

Looks like you are in good hands sir. The ork players in the dakka community are great!
Dakkajets are really good atm but we have no idea whats happening to them.
First off the new codex will change tbem up abit and also with the new edition comming out soon fliers are supposed to get a nerf.
Imo your best bet is just to save your money abit longer and buy the new "goodies" that come our way! Also a good idea is to grab abunch of boyz as they are fairly cheap on eBay before the new set.
Warbikers arnt to good atm but like others have said nobbikers are good but very hit or miss. Iv ran them in afew tournaments and they usally run off the bored. Run them with a painboy for the 5+ fnp for extra tankyness
Most people dont care about the wusiwug of a boy. Most competitive is shootaboyz. But like i said before with the new edition and the new book who knows. Orks will only go up in power imo with the comming up changes.

Thank you all for your quick and helpful responses.

I think I found a good community.

I Got my guys from an E-Bay Vender for $200, I thought it would be a buyers market and it was.

For starters I know that I am going to be running at least 2 of my squads as Shootas and replacing all of my Rokkits with Big Shootas. I will be keeping my 'ard Boyz because I don't have anything else to field at the moment.

After the Codex drops I will be adding Heavy Support:
Lootas
Big Gunz
Flash Gitz (If they are getting models they should be better. Right?)
Upgrading my Bikkers to Nobz on Bikes
Grots (for operation Meat Shield)
Max out my Kommando Squad

How does that sound?

Sick Bag wrote:
Thank you all for your quick and helpful responses.

I think I found a good community.

I Got my guys from an E-Bay Vender for $200, I thought it would be a buyers market and it was.

For starters I know that I am going to be running at least 2 of my squads as Shootas and replacing all of my Rokkits with Big Shootas. I will be keeping my 'ard Boyz because I don't have anything else to field at the moment.

After the Codex drops I will be adding Heavy Support:
Lootas
Big Gunz
Flash Gitz (If they are getting models they should be better. Right?)
Upgrading my Bikkers to Nobz on Bikes
Grots (for operation Meat Shield)
Max out my Kommando Squad

How does that sound?

small squads of grots are good for your backfeild campng.
would just holdup on buying anything because alot is expected to change with the orks. but you will always need boyz.
they have a flashgitz model but it is 20$ a pop
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Flash-Git-with-Targeting-Squig

That is why I bought Boyz no matter what happena to Da Orks, they are always needed.

The Flash Gitz may not happen, but rumor mill says they are getting a plastic model set and new rules since no one likes them. I just like their fluff.

Sick Bag wrote:
That is why I bought Boyz no matter what happena to Da Orks, they are always needed.

The Flash Gitz may not happen, but rumor mill says they are getting a plastic model set and new rules since no one likes them. I just like their fluff.

People used to love them because you could pre measure. But that doesn't matter anymore so they have literally useless rules.
I hope they get a plastic kit. One unit of orks i do not have
Nor have ever used

Listed in a number of places, but I think they are all re-posts from the original source.

Flash Gitz
Weapons now have random range instead of random AP
New range is 12 + 3D6”. Triple 1 on range causes Overheat
Weapon upgrade options include +1Bs, +1 Attack, Blast, Skyfire

New Boxes
Combi Flash Gitz/Tankbustas box

The problem with this is:
1. It is rumor.
2. Tankbustas already have a kit
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Tankbustas

I don't know.

Side Note: What are the thoughts on Wazdakka running with my Bikkers instead of a Warboss on a Bike?

Sick Bag wrote:
Listed in a number of places, but I think they are all re-posts from the original source.

Flash Gitz
Weapons now have random range instead of random AP
New range is 12 + 3D6”. Triple 1 on range causes Overheat
Weapon upgrade options include +1Bs, +1 Attack, Blast, Skyfire

New Boxes
Combi Flash Gitz/Tankbustas box

The problem with this is:
1. It is rumor.
2. Tankbustas already have a kit
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Tankbustas

I don't know.

Side Note: What are the thoughts on Wazdakka running with my Bikkers instead of a Warboss on a Bike?

why would they give a blast weapon skyfire?
wazdakka is if you are running warbikers and you want them to score.
warboss on a bike is for running nob bikers and making them score.
warboss with nob bikes are better IMO
edit: im sure they are making a flash git kit. but those new flash git rules dont seem very right.

Sick Bag wrote:
Listed in a number of places, but I think they are all re-posts from the original source.

Flash Gitz
Weapons now have random range instead of random AP
New range is 12 + 3D6”. Triple 1 on range causes Overheat
Weapon upgrade options include +1Bs, +1 Attack, Blast, Skyfire

New Boxes
Combi Flash Gitz/Tankbustas box

The problem with this is:
1. It is rumor.
2. Tankbustas already have a kit
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Tankbustas

I don't know.

Side Note: What are the thoughts on Wazdakka running with my Bikkers instead of a Warboss on a Bike?

The new box will probably be a Flash Git/ MANz kit since both only have single model kits.

Flash Gitz and Mega Nobs are both Nobs, but Heavy Armor is way different than Mega.

All they would share would be heads, but both units need models.

As far as Skyfire and Blast not making sense, some of the posts say that some upgrades are mutually exclusive. (RUMOR)

Sick Bag wrote:
Flash Gitz and Mega Nobs are both Nobs, but Heavy Armor is way different than Mega.

All they would share would be heads, but both units need models.

As far as Skyfire and Blast not making sense, some of the posts say that some upgrades are mutually exclusive. (RUMOR)

Yes that was my argument to agumybear irl lol.
Flashgitz are a weird unit to try and change around. But would make sence to see then getting AA weapons. Something orks need desperately

 Orkimedezz wrote:
The ork players in the dakka community are great!

Green IS best, after all

They should toss the flash gitz wargear in with nob's gear and then slash the base points. A DT, ppm redux, and pk support and they still have a nitch, if not a role.

Rismonite is on the right track:
Nobs
Nobs on bikes
Nobs in Mega Armor
Nobs with Flash Gitz options

Also not sure why Mega Nobs are a seperate listing with less options. They can't have BP or Waagh Banners.

 Jambles wrote:

 Orkimedezz wrote:
The ork players in the dakka community are great!

Green IS best, after all

And dont they forget it!


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Sick Bag wrote:
Rismonite is on the right track:
Nobs
Nobs on bikes
Nobs in Mega Armor
Nobs with Flash Gitz options

Also not sure why Mega Nobs are a seperate listing with less options. They can't have BP or Waagh Banners.

If gw put all those options in one box the price will be outrageous just for afew meganobs!
I think
nobs/flash git kit
Biker kit
Mega kit
3kits

Meganobs should really have bp and waaagh banners but i see why they dont. They would never run away or die! The point of a bp is to regain control of his panicking boys by shooting him in the head. (Plus thats why you got the warboss)

Waaaagh banner would be really nice to have. Never thought of it.

What are the Thoughts on Weird Boyz and Old Zogwart?

Given my lack of heavy support, I thought he might give me some versatility and Orkiness.

I am currently playing around with the idea of putting one of them into a Shoota Squad and see how he does.

I'm really hoping that the new Psyker stuff will bring Old Zog and the Wierdboyz (does that sound like a bad band name to anyone?) back out of retirement.

I pray to Mork and Gork that they do not nerf DakkaJets. I haven't heard any rumors either way to what's going on with the flyers, so I hope that the answer is 'nothing', but I'm maintaining a healthy sense of paranoia here.

I used Zog in a Shoota Boyz Squad against Dark Angels.

1 Head Bang killed 3 Boyz
2 +1A used to kill a DA Flamer Tank
3 Frazzle killed 8 DA Assault Marines that had just jumped. Then he won a Challenge against their Priest.
4 Running from Failed LD from shooting deaths. Failed agian.
5 Recovered failed his Psychic Check. End of Game.

Overall he did well. I'm not sure if he is better than a Warphead.



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My next idea is to turn one of my 30 Boyz Squads into 3 Trukk Squads.

My Bikkes get shot up because they are all alone. I figure this will give them some help. Also I feel that it will give me more versatility.

Thoughts?

How many Lootas for a 1500 pt and 1000 pt army. Currently I have 10 lootas, 60 shootas, 30 sluggas plenty of big shootas and rokkit options, warboss and nobs but no big mek with KFF. I can field 30 some gretchn andhave two runtherds. Also one weird boy. What can I do withthis group?

@Mickmoon

I would run
2*30 Shootas, 3 BS, Nob, PK, BP
30 Sluggas (hard boys), 3 Rokkits, Nob, PK, BP
Warboss, Armor, PK, Kombi Skorcha, Attack Squig, and BP is optional (w/ard Boyz)
Warphead (w/Shootas)
10 lootas
And field <19 Gretchin with each Runtherd

That should be ~1500

For 1000 dump the Gretchin, the armor on the Sluggas, probably the Warphead, and then pick Boyz from a squad until you are under points.

Let me know if that helps or if you have any other questions.