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With the Balesword inflicting instant death and Tyranids lacking Eternal Warrior how would a Tyranid player stop Nurgle princes?

godshula wrote:
With the Balesword inflicting instant death and Tyranids lacking Eternal Warrior how would a Tyranid player stop Nurgle princes?

1. shoot him! Flyrants are best friends.
2. Don't charge him. Always stay in terrain so if he charges you, he's initiative 1 and you can smash and kill him with Instant Death. 10 vs 5.

I would say Jifel pretty much has it.

I would like to add that you can also ground and tarpit them using your inevitable gaunt/gargoyle screen. As long as you are careful DPs should have a very difficult time getting into combat with your MCs.

Throw a full brood of hormagaunts with toxin sacs against him. Get the charge. I don't know dp's ws but most likely you will hit on 4+ so of 90 attacks on the charge 45 hit half again will wound for 22/23 wounds. Lets see how many dice he can roll. And it all happens before he and probably anything he is with will strike.

Granted its a bit expensive but still comparable to the prince pts wise

WS9 so, hiting on 5+. But yep. Tyranids are super shooty and dp has problems with surviving ranged attacks taking into consideration t5, 3+ armor and insane pointcost. Yep, he can gt 2+ cover but tstill with 4 t5 wounds he costs around 300 pts. Sometimes more.

Like a lot of what this game is about.

Throw bodies at it till it goes away (chump it with a disposable unit)

Harpy charges, 3 Smash Attack(1 should hit at 5+), 2+ and then he has only the 5+ Inv

Try to make his leadership checks a pain in the ass with SitW assuming it's a psyker. Nurgle and Slaanesh princes don't like that -3.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Harpy charges, 3 Smash Attack(1 should hit at 5+), 2+ and then he has only the 5+ Inv

DPs are I8. Harpy dies before it gets to swing.

Do not charge a Baleprince with an MC.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Harpy charges, 3 Smash Attack(1 should hit at 5+), 2+ and then he has only the 5+ Inv

DPs are I8. Harpy dies before it gets to swing.

Do not charge a Baleprince with an MC.

The feth you're saying, for that turn the DP goes to Initiative 3

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 obsidiankatana wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Harpy charges, 3 Smash Attack(1 should hit at 5+), 2+ and then he has only the 5+ Inv

DPs are I8. Harpy dies before it gets to swing.

Do not charge a Baleprince with an MC.

The feth you're saying, for that turn the DP goes to Initiative 3

...There goes me, forgetting nids do things.

You are correct. However, I would still not do this. Just because that's using the exact target a Baleprince wants to fight to fight a Baleprince.

Not really, it's the cheapest MC and aside from that one of the few that can even attack first

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Not really, it's the cheapest MC and aside from that one of the few that can even attack first

My meaning is that a Baleprince is keyed towards killing MCs. Throwing an MC at it, even an MC that has a damn good chance at putting it down, is giving the Prince its intended target on a platter. Screw up your assault, and the Harpy bites it.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Not really, it's the cheapest MC and aside from that one of the few that can even attack first

My meaning is that a Baleprince is keyed towards killing MCs. Throwing an MC at it, even an MC that has a damn goo chance at putting it down, is giving the Prince its intended target on a platter. Screw up your assault, and the Harpy bites it.

This

If you dont connect, like if you fail your charge, then you have problems. The prince can also move fast, or he can become invulnerable from assault by flying(well until you ground him).

 obsidiankatana wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Harpy charges, 3 Smash Attack(1 should hit at 5+), 2+ and then he has only the 5+ Inv

DPs are I8. Harpy dies before it gets to swing.

Do not charge a Baleprince with an MC.

Harpy gives -5 Init to unit(s) charged...

pinecone77 wrote:

Harpy gives -5 Init to unit(s) charged...

Mistake was realized three or four posts back.

But even with a Harpy getting the charge and being faster than a Nurgle Prince, you're still hitting on 5s =/

I would just say stay clear of the ID machine all together lol

You watch where the prince goes, and put two Flyrants on him. 24 TL strength 6 shots = 4.7 wounds on mr green, before you factor in grounding. I like the odds of taking down a Nurgle Prince in one go. If he has 1 wound left, just hit him again.

I'd definitely lean towards shooting it or throwing chaff at it till you can shoot it, even if you charge it with daemon of nurgle it has defensive grenades and that WS9, never mind the fact it might have iron arm on.

Nurgle prince with balesword is T6. Sorry to mess with your smash but it doesn't make any difference.

 avedominusnox wrote:
Nurgle prince with balesword is T6. Sorry to mess with your smash but it doesn't make any difference.

No he's not? He's T5, Demon of Nurgle doesn't add Toughness and neither does the Balesword.

 avedominusnox wrote:
Nurgle prince with balesword is T6. Sorry to mess with your smash but it doesn't make any difference.

Daemons of Nurgle don't get +1 toughness. They get shrouded.

Smash instagibs him.

Unless ofc you actually gave him Psyker levels, in which case he can be up to T8 with IWND and possibly Life Leech just to make you mad =/

Shoot at them or stay away from them! lol

So why don't you just poison termagant him to death?

A few squads of termagants should even be able to get him on the ground.

You very much can!

But then you'd be list tailoring lol

More what to do in the case of you playing a second round or what not against this match up.

...I run poison everywhere...it's a monstrous world out there.

I find it funny how the masters of disease, Daemons of Nurgle, can be afflicted by poison weapons. lol

GoliothOnline wrote:
Unless ofc you actually gave him Psyker levels, in which case he can be up to T8 with IWND and possibly Life Leech just to make you mad =/

Shoot at them or stay away from them! lol

Shadow in the warp. Hope he likes perils.

GoliothOnline wrote:
I find it funny how the masters of disease, Daemons of Nurgle, can be afflicted by poison weapons. lol

Agreed, but they also couldn't keep up with the adaptation of Tyranids at Shadowbrink.

In 40k, poison creatures are generally afflicted by poisons because not all poisons are synonymous. Though for gameplay, I think they should be...which would also make Tyranids destroy DE thanks to toxin sacs.

 Kain wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
Unless ofc you actually gave him Psyker levels, in which case he can be up to T8 with IWND and possibly Life Leech just to make you mad =/

Shoot at them or stay away from them! lol

Shadow in the warp. Hope he likes perils.

I've made plenty of 3D6 psychic tests.

Not worried in the least bit.

A deterrent is simply that, a deterrent. It's never 100%. Simply a deterrent.


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 ductvader wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
I find it funny how the masters of disease, Daemons of Nurgle, can be afflicted by poison weapons. lol

Agreed, but they also couldn't keep up with the adaptation of Tyranids at Shadowbrink.

In 40k, poison creatures are generally afflicted by poisons because not all poisons are synonymous. Though for gameplay, I think they should be...which would also make Tyranids destroy DE thanks to toxin sacs.

agreed