2014 NFL draft

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**whembly**

gorgon wrote:
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
whembly wrote:
kronk wrote:
Johnny Football is a "Dead Hooker found in Hotel Room" news story waiting to happen.

wut?

You don't think he'll be successful in the same mold as Seattle's QB Russel? He's got a better arm/accuracy than Russel.

Ability at college doesn't always translate across. Wilson was also a really humble guy with non of the off field issues
Manziel also had a wide receiver who was 6'5'' and in college DBs aren't as tight on their coverage especially when you're playing against colleges such as UTEP, Southern Methodist and Sam Houston State. When A&M lost to Auburn Evans had 11 of 28 of Manziels completions and over half the yardage (287 out of 454) and all 4 Passing TDs
A comparison through out the season had when:
Manziel was targeting Evan. 79.6% completions, 19.8 Yards/attempt, 9 TDs
Manziel & all other receivers 71.4% completions, 7.8 Yards/attempt, 9 TDs
Source
Quite simply he relies too much on one receiver which he won't get away with at the next level
He'll also either have to spend the next 3 months bulking up or learning not to run around as much because some lineman or linebacker will just destroy him, and RG3 proved you don't even need to get hit to get taken out a game

You know that 7.8 YPA is a very solid number though, right? That would have been 8th in the NFL last season. Which is not to say that it translates to the NFL -- I'm just pointing out that number is very solid overall for a QB. And it's not unusual for your deep-threat WR to have a much larger YPC or YPA when targeted. I don't think those numbers make a case against Manziel at all. There may be other issues, but 71% completions and 7.8 YPA ain't among them.

Agreed... in the SEC division no less.

Personally, I'm not sure about Mike Evans at the next level. I'm still not convinced he runs well enough. He reminds me of Mike Williams when he came out of USC.

Actually, I think he'd be your perfect "redzone receiver". The dude got great hands... when you're 20 yrds away from the EndZone, just lob it up... Evans will get it.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

gorgon wrote:
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
whembly wrote:
kronk wrote:
Johnny Football is a "Dead Hooker found in Hotel Room" news story waiting to happen.

wut?

You don't think he'll be successful in the same mold as Seattle's QB Russel? He's got a better arm/accuracy than Russel.

Ability at college doesn't always translate across. Wilson was also a really humble guy with non of the off field issues
Manziel also had a wide receiver who was 6'5'' and in college DBs aren't as tight on their coverage especially when you're playing against colleges such as UTEP, Southern Methodist and Sam Houston State. When A&M lost to Auburn Evans had 11 of 28 of Manziels completions and over half the yardage (287 out of 454) and all 4 Passing TDs
A comparison through out the season had when:
Manziel was targeting Evan. 79.6% completions, 19.8 Yards/attempt, 9 TDs
Manziel & all other receivers 71.4% completions, 7.8 Yards/attempt, 9 TDs
Source
Quite simply he relies too much on one receiver which he won't get away with at the next level
He'll also either have to spend the next 3 months bulking up or learning not to run around as much because some lineman or linebacker will just destroy him, and RG3 proved you don't even need to get hit to get taken out a game

You know that 7.8 YPA is a very solid number though, right? That would have been 8th in the NFL last season. Which is not to say that it translates to the NFL -- I'm just pointing out that number is very solid overall for a QB. And it's not unusual for your deep-threat WR to have a much larger YPC or YPA when targeted. I don't think those numbers make a case against Manziel at all. There may be other issues, but 71% completions and 7.8 YPA ain't among them.

Personally, I'm not sure about Mike Evans at the next level. I'm still not convinced he runs well enough. He reminds me of Mike Williams when he came out of USC.

The point of the numbers is to highlight the differences between him targeting Evans and anyone else
College numbers are more often inflated over what NFL counterparts have because they're facing Collegiate level defences which are nowhere near as good as NFL ones, even some of the better NCAA ones like Alabama.

Another point the only QB since Vinny Testaverde to have won a playoff game who was also the Heisman trophy winner is Tim Tebow

**gorgon**

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
gorgon wrote:
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
whembly wrote:
kronk wrote:
Johnny Football is a "Dead Hooker found in Hotel Room" news story waiting to happen.

wut?

You don't think he'll be successful in the same mold as Seattle's QB Russel? He's got a better arm/accuracy than Russel.

Ability at college doesn't always translate across. Wilson was also a really humble guy with non of the off field issues
Manziel also had a wide receiver who was 6'5'' and in college DBs aren't as tight on their coverage especially when you're playing against colleges such as UTEP, Southern Methodist and Sam Houston State. When A&M lost to Auburn Evans had 11 of 28 of Manziels completions and over half the yardage (287 out of 454) and all 4 Passing TDs
A comparison through out the season had when:
Manziel was targeting Evan. 79.6% completions, 19.8 Yards/attempt, 9 TDs
Manziel & all other receivers 71.4% completions, 7.8 Yards/attempt, 9 TDs
Source
Quite simply he relies too much on one receiver which he won't get away with at the next level
He'll also either have to spend the next 3 months bulking up or learning not to run around as much because some lineman or linebacker will just destroy him, and RG3 proved you don't even need to get hit to get taken out a game

You know that 7.8 YPA is a very solid number though, right? That would have been 8th in the NFL last season. Which is not to say that it translates to the NFL -- I'm just pointing out that number is very solid overall for a QB. And it's not unusual for your deep-threat WR to have a much larger YPC or YPA when targeted. I don't think those numbers make a case against Manziel at all. There may be other issues, but 71% completions and 7.8 YPA ain't among them.

Personally, I'm not sure about Mike Evans at the next level. I'm still not convinced he runs well enough. He reminds me of Mike Williams when he came out of USC.

The point of the numbers is to highlight the differences between him targeting Evans and anyone else
College numbers are more often inflated over what NFL counterparts have because they're facing Collegiate level defences which are nowhere near as good as NFL ones, even some of the better NCAA ones like Alabama.

Another point the only QB since Vinny Testaverde to have won a playoff game who was also the Heisman trophy winner is Tim Tebow

Stay on point.

It looks like 7.8 still would rank in the top 25%-ish in the NCAA last year...in other words, similar to 8th in the NFL (32 teams). Note that would be Manziel WITHOUT his best deep threat vs. everyone else WITH theirs.

So again, his stats throwing to his other receivers are actually quite good. And most QBs will put up better stats throwing to one dominant WR compared to everyone else. I'll bet you a virtual beer that Matt Stafford's stats look much better throwing to Megatron than everyone else on the Lions combined.

I really don't think those stats mean what you think they mean.

**Alfndrate**

The only player I want the Browns to draft is Ha Ha Dix...

Simply for his name.

I have a feeling that Johnny Football won't be at #4 when the Browns go to pick, and I'm fine with that because I want him to fail so Chuck Booms can eat fething crow.

**Chancetragedy**

And with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft the Houston texans select....

Mario Williams 2.0

**ironicsilence**

Shame it wasnt mack, though it was awesome watching kiper take shots at Gruden for suggesting they pick johnny

**whembly**

RAMS select GRobinson! The "Road Grader™".

**ironicsilence**

bit shocked the jags didnt take johnny

**Chancetragedy**

Crazy. Didn't expect Bortles 3rd overall.

**ironicsilence**

yeah, could have traded back and got him, I see him as Blaine Gabbert 2.0

**Chancetragedy**

Welcome to revis island Sammy Watkins.

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I'm so sorry Khalil Mack. I know your about to get paid but say goodbye to a decent career ;p

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Browns got a great trade off Buffalo, a 1st & 4th next year as well as 9th overall pick this year
As for Revis Island surely he'll be blanketing Stevie Johnson?

**Chancetragedy**

Who do the falcons take here? A tackle? Luwan? Mathews?

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Stevie is the only guy who has consistantly torched revis. I doubt they put in on Johnson. My guess is a combination of dennard/mccourty bracketing Johnson. With revis on Watkins.

**ironicsilence**

Chancetragedy wrote:
Who do the falcons take here? A tackle? Luwan? Mathews?

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Stevie is the only guy who has consistantly torched revis. I doubt they put in on Johnson. My guess is a combination of dennard/mccourty bracketing Johnson. With revis on Watkins.

mathews

**kronk**

Chancetragedy wrote:
And with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft the Houston texans select....

Mario Williams 2.0

Mario was really good, though.

Clowney and Jj Watt? I like it.

**Chancetragedy**

Well yah ;p. should be good for em. The bloodlines are definately there.

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kronk wrote:
Chancetragedy wrote:
And with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft the Houston texans select....

Mario Williams 2.0

Mario was really good, though.

Clowney and Jj Watt? I like it.

Could be better than Aldon/justin smith good. That is seriously a scary prospect of those going wild.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Evans off to Tampa and not get anything out of McCown & Lovie's scheme
Minnesota in trade with Cleveland for their 5th & switching 1sts

And Cleveland haven't won a play-off game since I've been alive?

me

**ironicsilence**

Browns want nothing to do with Johnny football

**Chancetragedy**

I'm convinced now. Manziel to the cowboys :p

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It has to happen.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm convinced now. Manziel to the cowboys :p

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It has to happen.

It shouldn't, but it will. Jerry Jones will make it so
The Cowboys really need to shore up their D but Jones is Jones

**ironicsilence**

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm convinced now. Manziel to the cowboys :p

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It has to happen.

It shouldn't, but it will. Jerry Jones will make it so
The Cowboys really need to shore up their D but Jones is Jones

unless someone trades up, the titans are the only team before the boys that could use a QB

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

ironicsilence wrote:
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm convinced now. Manziel to the cowboys :p

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It has to happen.

It shouldn't, but it will. Jerry Jones will make it so
The Cowboys really need to shore up their D but Jones is Jones

unless someone trades up, the titans are the only team before the boys that could use a QB

I would have said Minnesota but they went with a LB (which they needed) but took Barr over Mosley (Dumb)

And Detroit took Ebron over Dennard??

**Ensis Ferrae**

Wow... watching this, I feel like most of the NFL GMs have watched that new movie Draft Day, lol

**whembly**

kronk wrote:
Chancetragedy wrote:
And with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft the Houston texans select....

Mario Williams 2.0

Mario was really good, though.

Clowney and Jj Watt? I like it.

Where the frick do you put in Clowney???

**Alfndrate**

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Evans off to Tampa and not get anything out of McCown & Lovie's scheme
Minnesota in trade with Cleveland for their 5th & switching 1sts

And Cleveland haven't won a play-off game since I've been alive? me

How do you think I feel... The last bastion of good players is Bernie Kosar, who slurs his speech due to concussions and alcohol... Though the man is fething brilliant when it comes to analyzing football... I'm gonna miss his pre-season coverage :(

**Chancetragedy**

YEEEEESS!!! Rams and giants don't need manziel. Please god make this happen ;p

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

whembly wrote:
kronk wrote:
Chancetragedy wrote:
And with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft the Houston texans select....

Mario Williams 2.0

Mario was really good, though.

Clowney and Jj Watt? I like it.

Where the frick do you put in Clowney???

Elephant Backer?

Also didn't expect Tennessee to pick Lewan but Michael Roos is 32 so it's a bit of insurance I suppose

**Chancetragedy**

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
whembly wrote:
kronk wrote:
Chancetragedy wrote:
And with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft the Houston texans select....

Mario Williams 2.0

Mario was really good, though.

Clowney and Jj Watt? I like it.

Where the frick do you put in Clowney???

Elephant Backer?

Also didn't expect Tennessee to pick Lewan but Michael Roos is 32 so it's a bit of insurance I suppose

My guess is definately the elephant. Line him up outside watt like the 9ers do or the patriots did with mcghinest and Richard Seymour.

**whembly**

Chancetragedy wrote:
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
whembly wrote:
kronk wrote:
Chancetragedy wrote:
And with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft the Houston texans select....

Mario Williams 2.0

Mario was really good, though.

Clowney and Jj Watt? I like it.

Where the frick do you put in Clowney???

Elephant Backer?

Also didn't expect Tennessee to pick Lewan but Michael Roos is 32 so it's a bit of insurance I suppose

My guess is definately the elephant. Line him up outside watt like the 9ers do or the patriots did with mcghinest and Richard Seymour.

Yeah... that's the only place I'd put him.

**ironicsilence**

I sure hope Watt can teach that clown how to show up for every play