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By guy I mean single unit - regardless whether it is an IC, just a singular "infantry" (like Mephiston) or an MC.


The contestants start 24.1" from each other on open terrain.

My entry would be the Avatar of Khaine, with the Fast Shot, Crushing Blow, Disarming Strike (you and opponent roll D6, you get +1 if your WS is higher, if you score higher, you can reduce one of the opponent's weapons to a cc-weapon) and Monster Hunter.

245 points

WS 10
BS 10
S 7
T 6
W 5
I 10
A 5
LD Fearless
3+/5++ sv. (Daemon)
immune to heat weapons & soulblaze
Fleet & Battle Focus (so average move distance of 10" and still able to shoot; or move 6", shoot, and re-roll one or both charge dice)
dual shot Meltagun

Kandarus and wraithknight gain my votes

There was a 20something page thread about this already. Its decidedly Abbadon.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/504016.page

 iGuy91 wrote:
There was a 20something page thread about this already. Its decidedly Abbadon.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/504016.page

This. Abaddon will take your lunch money. Skarbrand and Swarmlord will mess anyone without EW up pretty badly, but the fact that many of the melee badasses has it lessens their strength somewhat.

Wait, we get a whole unit?

20 khorne berzerkers, champ with fist, and icon. Gets the reroll for charge range, so is likely to be the charger, not the chargee. Add to that a marine statline and equipment, except Ws5, and S5 on the charge, plus free extra attacks. They'd clean out that avatar pretty quickly.

Of course, it also costs a lot more, but that didn't seem to matter.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
There was a 20something page thread about this already. Its decidedly Abbadon.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/504016.page

This. Abaddon will take your lunch money. Skarbrand and Swarmlord will mess anyone without EW up pretty badly, but the fact that many of the melee badasses has it lessens their strength somewhat.

These are mostly melee only competitions. It could be very easy to kill Abaddon without him landing a blow by adding in shooting.

Blood crushers are the most deadly to anything without a 2+ save. Against a 2+ save they bounce off, but they can drown most targets in wounds and a few Axes of Khorne, meaning they're likely to wreck anything in CC, since 2+ saves don't tent to be found on a large unit regularly. They're also likely to get the charge because they charge d6+6" with fleet.

Give me a unit, and they will find a way to roll it. 2++ excluded, of course, but nothing can roll a 2++.

Pretty keen on Ghazghull myself.

However, that immune to soul blaze on the Avatar could change my mind

Sorry it is a Necron Lord w/ 2+, 3++, Scythe, Res Orb, and MSS.

Even if you don't get shackled you still have nasty melee, Great inv save, and if he dies he gets up %50 of the time.

-Redacted-
I derp'd

Wouldn't Draigo be a pretty tough nut to crack? 2+/3+ with T5 and EW. Anything that's a daemon or psyker will be getting lumped at S10 with a master-crafted force weapon. If he gets the charge, daemons and psykers will also be at I1 because of 'nades.

Honestly, tho, I don't know the stats for a lot of chars, so that may be pretty weak nowadays...

Yeah and Draigo has the problem of only an AP 3 weapon.

 Dakkamite wrote:
Pretty keen on Ghazghull myself.

However, that immune to soul blaze on the Avatar could change my mind

Soul Blaze once killed a riptide.

Soul Blaze is very powerful, and the Avatar of Khaine is the most OP character because he ignores it.

This tongue in cheek post was brought to you by this lengthy bitch session

Wasn't Language! the new big melee in the hood? T5 2+/3++/FnP plus IWND and EW? 12" move, Jink, S8 AP1 or S4 AP3

 Ailaros wrote:
Wait, we get a whole unit?

20 khorne berzerkers, champ with fist, and icon. Gets the reroll for charge range, so is likely to be the charger, not the chargee. Add to that a marine statline and equipment, except Ws5, and S5 on the charge, plus free extra attacks. They'd clean out that avatar pretty quickly.

Of course, it also costs a lot more, but that didn't seem to matter.

The champ will be forced to challenge the Avatar - and the Avatar, being only 1 model, is forced to accept. Avatar kills it; next turn it can be killed by the zerkers, but it'll take a lot before dying.

20 fearless models in power armor with free attacks and more.

That beats up everything else so far.

There are things that can then beat up those berzerkers, of course, like anything that spams Ap3, but it won't be as good against the broad range of targets. You need to be the best against everything, not merely a hard counter to something else that already is.

 Ailaros wrote:
20 fearless models in power armor with free attacks and more.

That beats up everything else so far.

There are things that can then beat up those berzerkers, of course, like anything that spams Ap3, but it won't be as good against the broad range of targets. You need to be the best against everything, not merely a hard counter to something else that already is.

*reiterates earlier point*

Scipio Africanus wrote:Blood crushers are the most deadly to anything without a 2+ save.

You can only take them in a squad up to size 9. They only have a 6+/5++. They only have Ap3 on the one hand, and they don't have enough weight of attacks on the other. They're multi-wound models dangerously susceptible to instant death, and they have Ld7 without being fearless.

They are not the best melee unit.

In fact, the only thing they'd be all that extra good against are berzerkers, but as I said...

Ailaros wrote:There are things that can then beat up those berzerkers, of course, like anything that spams Ap3, but it won't be as good against the broad range of targets. You need to be the best against everything, not merely a hard counter to something else that already is.

There are all sorts of combo power units people can come up with.

I'll stick with a singular model. Abaddon or a Bloodthirster are pretty beast. I think the Bloodthirster would woop up on swarmlord, but he's still worth a mention.

30 Daemonettes, w/ respective sergeant equivalent tooled to the teeth in rewards and icons.

For single models, Iron Father McPunchington.

 Ailaros wrote:
Wait, we get a whole unit?

20 khorne berzerkers, champ with fist, and icon. Gets the reroll for charge range, so is likely to be the charger, not the chargee. Add to that a marine statline and equipment, except Ws5, and S5 on the charge, plus free extra attacks. They'd clean out that avatar pretty quickly.

Of course, it also costs a lot more, but that didn't seem to matter.

By my mathhammer, the Avatar would crap on a 20-man Beserker blob.

Their extra attacks and increased strength from charging are wasted since they have to stand there holding their nuts for the first round of combat due to the champion needing to challenge.

Single model? Iron father SmashFu**er. (I forget, what's dakkas profanity policy?)

Bike master with the gorgon chain, THammer, LClaw, and a bike/Artificier armor. Put him in a command squad for 4+ fnp. He'll tank anyone. Seriously, this load out makes me want to change armies.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
wraithknight gain my votes

Are you high?

Karandras is a beast though, but lacks a ++ save.

Asurmen is worth a mention too. His Soulrazor ability means he's a chance to take out the most choppy CC monsters, and his D3 warlord traits can roll up some sweet options.

Death Company /w 30x models
All equipped with dual thunder hammers and jump packs
Take Lemartes as an upgrade
3000 pts

That gives you 120 attacks at S10 and AP2 that re-roll to hit and to wound, plus 30 Hammer of Wrath attacks at S5.

Death Company's absurdly high cap on model count per unit makes it sort of stand out (3000 point units for the lulz). They're not cost-effective, but they'll win against basically anything in the game through sheer weight of numbers.

Smash face would die to quite a few ICs with AP2 weapons that strike at high initiative.

 Wingeds wrote:
Smash face would die to quite a few ICs with AP2 weapons that strike at high initiative.

Like who? He has a 3++ and a 4+ fnp usually, at T5. That takes some work to cut through.

 jifel wrote:

 Wingeds wrote:
Smash face would die to quite a few ICs with AP2 weapons that strike at high initiative.

Like who? He has a 3++ and a 4+ fnp usually, at T5. That takes some work to cut through.

His insane saves are really the only thing going for him. The Chapter Master statline is not particularly astronomical - he can't dish out damage the same way he can take it.

i would like to throw Urien Rakarth and a squad of grotesques in the ring. The Clone field keeps Urien in a fight forever.

 DanielBeaver wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 Wingeds wrote:
Smash face would die to quite a few ICs with AP2 weapons that strike at high initiative.

Like who? He has a 3++ and a 4+ fnp usually, at T5. That takes some work to cut through.

His insane saves are really the only thing going for him. The Chapter Master statline is not particularly astronomical - he can't dish out damage the same way he can take it.

4 Str 8 AP2 attacks at Ws6 are nothing to sneeze at. That's what makes him formidable. He's a tough nut to crack with respectable damage output. He doesn't win in a round, he wears you down over several.

And after one wound gets through, you're swinging at his level courtesy of the Thunder Hammer. If you think about it, Abbadon (who, aside from the Swarmlord, used to be undisputed top dog) doesn't even have the durability of this guy.

I'm not sure of every rule Smashface has, but Abaddon and a Bloodthirster both strike first with AP2. Lelith might even give him a run for his money with amazing dice rolls.

What gives him 4+ FNP? I would think it would just be 5+ standard, the Iron Hands special rules not stacking. And does he have Eternal Warrior?

Edit: Just read up on him, not a bad character, but a Bloodthirster could just smash attack, still hit more than you, and after 1 round with a few wounds done to the chapter master, the next round would just wreck him with normal attacks or ID him with Smashes depending on IWND rolls. And the thirster can get pretty similar saves with good reward rolls or warp storm.

 Wingeds wrote:
I'm not sure of every rule Smashface has, but Abaddon and a Bloodthirster both strike first with AP2. Lelith might even give him a run for his money with amazing dice rolls.

What gives him 4+ FNP? I would think it would just be 5+ standard, the Iron Hands special rules not stacking. And does he have Eternal Warrior?

2+, 3++, EW, 6+ FNP (Iron Hands Chapter Tactics), +1 FNP (Gorgon's Chain), toting a Thunder Hammer and whatever else you want your second weapon to be, on a bike for T5.

4+ FNP is a possibility via the Clan Raukaan Warlord Table (gives another +1 FNP).