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Another explanation bandied about is that skimpy armor allows for greater freedom of movement. This may be true to some extent but you aren't going to be doing much movement after you are dead with a single blow. Besides, regular armor isn't that encumbering to movement anyway. It's weight is nice and evenly distributed across your body.

And you can get clothes that allow for a lot of movement while not being sexy at all. Stuff like that. It is made specifically with the purpose of not impending movement. It will be warmer than exposed flesh too.

 Melissia wrote:
As a general rule and in spite of the edicts of modern marketing, men are not a bunch of dumb animals who are so stupid and incompetent that they are simply incapable of thinking of anything other than sex.

But were you not supposed to hate them ?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Another explanation bandied about is that skimpy armor allows for greater freedom of movement. This may be true to some extent but you aren't going to be doing much movement after you are dead with a single blow. Besides, regular armor isn't that encumbering to movement anyway. It's weight is nice and evenly distributed across your body.

1.) Properly trained melee groups fighting in formation always do better than groups not fighting in formation. And fighting in formation means that you can't take advantage of any "superior mobility". You've got friends on both your right and left, meaning that you can't dodge to either side when the enemy in front of you takes a swing.

2.) Carrying all of that equipment while marching for miles every day requires a lot of effort and strength. The result is a lot more muscle, and a lot less body fat. A lot less body fat means a smaller breast size. So any female soldier is going to have less noticeable sexual attributes. And no make-up. It's entirely possible that her opponent won't even realize she's a woman unless he stops to think about why her movements weren't quite right.

Eumerin wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Another explanation bandied about is that skimpy armor allows for greater freedom of movement. This may be true to some extent but you aren't going to be doing much movement after you are dead with a single blow. Besides, regular armor isn't that encumbering to movement anyway. It's weight is nice and evenly distributed across your body.

1.) Properly trained melee groups fighting in formation always do better than groups not fighting in formation.

Varus disagrees.

Eumerin wrote:


1.) Properly trained melee groups fighting in formation always do better than groups not fighting in formation. And fighting in formation means that you can't take advantage of any "superior mobility". You've got friends on both your right and left, meaning that you can't dodge to either side when the enemy in front of you takes a swing.

2.) Carrying all of that equipment while marching for miles every day requires a lot of effort and strength. The result is a lot more muscle, and a lot less body fat. A lot less body fat means a smaller breast size. So any female soldier is going to have less noticeable sexual attributes. And no make-up. It's entirely possible that her opponent won't even realize she's a woman unless he stops to think about why her movements weren't quite right.

1. This is entirely terrain dependent. In open ground with room to form and maneouver you are correct. In broken or boggy terrain light 'irregular' troops have a significant advantage.

2. There are some very feminine, yet muscular, women in the world. Modern soldiers, including female soldiers, carry more than a Roman legionnaire when on ops and take it from me that doesn't mean that they become androgynous.

Sexy little outfits are perfectly fine if they are justifiable. The problem is that they are rarely justifiable and are there purely for titillation which I find childish.

 Palindrome wrote:
2. There are some very feminine, yet muscular, women in the world. Modern soldiers, including female soldiers, carry more than a Roman legionnaire when on ops and take it from me that doesn't mean that they become androgynous.

But do they march several miles every day, and then assemble a camp at the end of the march (including some minor fortifications)? Remember, there aren't vehicles to carry the troops in. Modern troops may or may not carry more weight (and I know they carry quite a bit). But I think a typical Roman Legionnaire would have them beat in the daily physical exertion department.

 Palindrome wrote:
Sexy little outfits are perfectly fine if they are justifiable. The problem is that they are rarely justifiable and are there purely for titillation which I find childish.

The thing is, if it's in a social setting, I can see it. Or if it's, say, a slave uprising, or they're barbarians or something. Or even Celts, whom went in to battle wearing little more than blue paint for religious (and a little bit of psychological warfare) reasons.

But almost every other army, including modern armies? Fully clothed most of the time, whether in battle or out.


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Eumerin wrote:
But do they march several miles every day, and then assemble a camp at the end of the march (including some minor fortifications)?

Yes, they are trained to do exactly this.

Also, "several miles"? Is that it? In many cases, modern soldiers hike 200+ miles. Even on foot, modern soldiers are mobile in a way that ancient soldiers could only dream about.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Got to post pictures from the kid movie Kirikou, which was made for kids and watched by kids and should therefore be completely okay to post here.
Spoilered for nudity that your kids could watch but that may offend you .

It's funny how modern society seems to have a growing disconnect between people's wishes (porn!) and what is officially condoned - hence my remark regarding the shrink. Anyone remember "nipplegate"? ^^

In East Germany, before the reunification, FKK was very popular, and there was a ton of movies for children (produced both in the GDR as well as Czechoslovakia where it was no problem to show naked people of just about any age group. And actually, thinking about it, the western world used to have a way more liberal approach here as well, considering that you had full frontal nudity (both male and female) in Monty Python's Life of Brian. But then again, Monty Python also made a ton of jokes you wouldn't be allowed to bring on TV anymore today.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Karl Kopinski's depiction of the Repentia, the best ever imho.

Agreed!

Though Blanche (the irony! ) also did a fairly cool one based on an early concept of Repentia fluff that was published in Citadel Journal.

Back then they were still supposed to be lone exiles that'd roam the galaxy like some sort of ecclesiastical ronin, seeking redemption in a glorious death, rather than a posse of frenzied furies rushed into battle by a power-armoured nun dual-wielding a pair of electric whips.

I actually like both versions a lot - they're all suitably crazy in their own way, though one is arguably more grimdark than the other.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:I do not know of this gender swap coffin, but http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Girdle_of_Masculinity/Femininity. Great fun, if only because you are now stuck with it and therefore cannot get any useful heargear instead .

I like how you loot that belt from an ogre.

Daba wrote:Somewhere in the game, there's this random coffin which allows you to enter it (it just has press A to enter). Your character enters, it closes and then a few seconds later opens and your character leaves.

When this happens, it swaps the gender of your character, but originally it had no explanation and due to the armour or robes the characters had, many players didn't notice until they had long left the area, and noticed that their beard was missing. Many thought it was a bug.

Haha, okay. I can only imagine the reactions of the players! ^^'

TheCustomLime wrote:Another explanation bandied about is that skimpy armor allows for greater freedom of movement. This may be true to some extent but you aren't going to be doing much movement after you are dead with a single blow. Besides, regular armor isn't that encumbering to movement anyway. It's weight is nice and evenly distributed across your body.

This (in addition with a traditional role) is how I tried to explain/excuse night elf armour on the WoW forums once. The Sentinel Army isn't doing straight-up fights, they're engaging enemy forces by hiding in the treetops and then picking them apart with a hail of arrows. Once the enemy panicks, Huntresses on saber-mounts charge into the fleeing troops and ride them down and/or cleave them apart with their huge glaives.

I could see mobility being very important for jumping from tree to tree and maintaining high agility as a mounted warrior (without a saddle), whereas protection can be neglected as the enemy isn't supposed to ever see you anyways, much less actually fight you.

Needless to say, you can only pull such justifications when they're actually supported by the fighting style of an army - and it doesn't change anything about the real world reasons of why the "bikini chainmail"-style is popular.

Eumerin wrote:

But do they march several miles every day,

If they are on patrol they certainly do. OK they don't dig fortifications but that hardly matters.

Muscular, or more accurately athletic, women are most certainly still feminine. Just look at how mannish these women look......

 Lynata wrote:
It's funny how modern society seems to have a growing disconnect between people's wishes (porn!) and what is officially condoned

I do not think porn is what people actually wish. I mean, it is like horror movie, or even most action movie. It is something you may like to watch, but definitely not something you would like to live.

 Lynata wrote:
But then again, Monty Python also made a ton of jokes you wouldn't be allowed to bring on TV anymore today.

I think at least in France, you would.

 Lynata wrote:
Though Blanche (the irony! ) also did a fairly cool one based on an early concept of Repentia fluff that was published in Citadel Journal.

Why the irony? You do not like his usual work? Or because of the Codex: Sisters of Battle codex cover?

 Lynata wrote:
I actually like both versions a lot - they're all suitably crazy in their own way, though one is arguably more grimdark than the other.

I like the second version… except for the mistress. It is silly, reeks of inappropriate bdsm reference and needs to go.

 Lynata wrote:
This (in addition with a traditional role) is how I tried to explain/excuse night elf armour on the WoW forums once. The Sentinel Army isn't doing straight-up fights, they're engaging enemy forces by hiding in the treetops and then picking them apart with a hail of arrows. Once the enemy panicks, Huntresses on saber-mounts charge into the fleeing troops and ride them down and/or cleave them apart with their huge glaives.

I am not familiar with what Sentinel armor looks like, but if one is going to design an outfit for practicality, it is usually not going to be sexy, even if it is not protective. In your example, does Sentinel armor include a lot of camouflage ?


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 Palindrome wrote:
Muscular, or more accurately athletic, women are most certainly still feminine. Just look at how mannish these women look......

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Not even sure those are real, but they pop up when you do a Google Image Search on “female culturist”

A Sentinel from WoW.

Not that much camo, eh?

Yup. I have a personal theory that the Kaldorei military at large has no experience fighting total wars (Contradicted by WC3 I know but that's Blizzard for you) and that the average Sentinel is pretty much a dressed up mall cop. So, given their ornate Mall Cop status, it makes sense for the average Night Elf soldier to dress less practically. That or the tactics the Kaldorei army uses is highly outdated compared to the... uhh... I don't know... a combination of WW1 and Black Powder-ish tactics and tech the rest of Azeroth uses.

Also, why don't Night Elves ever wear some sort of eye wear that conceals their glowing eyes? I'd imagine that would stand out in the dark.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

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Not even sure those are real, but they pop up when you do a Google Image Search on “female culturist”

They fall into the same unnatural drug induced category as their male counter parts.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Also, why don't Night Elves ever wear some sort of eye wear that conceals their glowing eyes? I'd imagine that would stand out in the dark.

Same goes for a lot of the races in WoW.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
A Sentinel from WoW.

Not that much camo, eh?

That metal need to go if you want to hide in the treetop .

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Or there is no good reason for any of this and Blizzard is crapping on the great lore made during WC3.

You are kidding. This is Warcraft III :

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
A Sentinel from WoW.

Not that much camo, eh?

That metal need to go if you want to hide in the treetop .

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Or there is no good reason for any of this and Blizzard is crapping on the great lore made during WC3.

You are kidding. This is Warcraft III :

Spoiler:

Hey, most of it's pretty good.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
A Sentinel from WoW.

Not that much camo, eh?

That metal need to go if you want to hide in the treetop .

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Or there is no good reason for any of this and Blizzard is crapping on the great lore made during WC3.

You are kidding. This is Warcraft III :

Spoiler:

Oh, I remember Jaina's "armor"

Too bad she changed that, otherwise she might've been killed.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Hey, most of it's pretty good.

What is pretty good?

He's talking about the horrendous 'craft series lore.

Oh, the lore! I think it was always a bit shaky, imho.

Uhh...

Ahhh...

That is to say...

Uhhh... Hmm... It's...

The races.. no...

Okay, yeah, you got me there.

TBH even the first Warcraft was just kind of average-- decent enough writing, not bad by any means. It's just that it's good in comparison to the OTHER 'craft series games.

 Melissia wrote:
TBH even the first Warcraft was just kind of average-- decent enough writing, not bad by any means. It's just that it's good in comparison to the OTHER 'craft series games.

I really liked Warcraft 3. May be a bit of nostalgia, played it since I was eigth or something..

I also like Wrath of the Lich King. From then onward, meh.

Eh, 'craft was never as good as Total Annihilation, but now we're getting really off topic.

TheCustomLime wrote:Yup. I have a personal theory that the Kaldorei military at large has no experience fighting total wars (Contradicted by WC3 I know but that's Blizzard for you) and that the average Sentinel is pretty much a dressed up mall cop. So, given their ornate Mall Cop status, it makes sense for the average Night Elf soldier to dress less practically. That or the tactics the Kaldorei army uses is highly outdated compared to the... uhh... I don't know... a combination of WW1 and Black Powder-ish tactics and tech the rest of Azeroth uses.

WoW night elves are a very poor representation of WC3, especially if you're looking at the background rather than game representation. WW1-tactics and blackpowder are not as efficient as you may think if the night elves would actually fight as they were described to. See: Vietnam.


"Night elves rarely choose to be on the front lines of battle, as they prefer ranged or magical (always divine) attacks. If a night elf is to be on the front lines, she is likely to be mounted, or a druid who can assume a form more appropriate for melee. [...]
Night elf archers are particularly renowned for their ambushes, especially within their own forests. They can move silently among the trees and down opponents a hundred feet away without ever being seen. The archer's specialty is ranged attack, and she will do everything possible to maintain her distance. Most night elf archers also use their stealth, speed and darkvision to full advantage. An archer might creep to a hiding place and wait there for hours to set the target at ease. Archers train both alone and in teams, and often concentrate fire on a single major target or on a small group standing close together. This allows them to take down tougher foes or clustered enemy commanders in a single volley."
- Warcraft RPG Alliance Player's Guide : Night Elf Military Tactics

The MMO simply doesn't do their background justice. In part, this is simply due to limitations of the game, as it's impossible to have purely ranged combatants in that game (even hunters need their pets to distract the target), and surprise attacks are worthless because it takes a minute or so of constant face-bashing until someone actually gets killed. Not to mention that you cannot climb and jump from tree to tree. So night elf Sentinels had to be transformed from an army of ninja vietcong focused on ranged combat and terror tactics into the standard melee guard NPCs. Arguably, skimpy armour is much harder to justify there.

tl;dr: don't mistake WoW for Warcraft

TheCustomLime wrote:Also, why don't Night Elves ever wear some sort of eye wear that conceals their glowing eyes? I'd imagine that would stand out in the dark.

I guess they could either disguise this via divine magic, or it doesn't matter because the forests are full of things with similarly glowing eyes or whatever?

 Lynata wrote:

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Got to post pictures from the kid movie Kirikou, which was made for kids and watched by kids and should therefore be completely okay to post here.
Spoilered for nudity that your kids could watch but that may offend you .

It's funny how modern society seems to have a growing disconnect between people's wishes (porn!) and what is officially condoned - hence my remark regarding the shrink. Anyone remember "nipplegate"? ^^

In East Germany, before the reunification, FKK was very popular, and there was a ton of movies for children (produced both in the GDR as well as Czechoslovakia where it was no problem to show naked people of just about any age group. And actually, thinking about it, the western world used to have a way more liberal approach here as well, considering that you had full frontal nudity (both male and female) in Monty Python's Life of Brian. But then again, Monty Python also made a ton of jokes you wouldn't be allowed to bring on TV anymore today.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Karl Kopinski's depiction of the Repentia, the best ever imho.

Agreed!

Though Blanche (the irony! ) also did a fairly cool one based on an early concept of Repentia fluff that was published in Citadel Journal.

Spoiler:

Back then they were still supposed to be lone exiles that'd roam the galaxy like some sort of ecclesiastical ronin, seeking redemption in a glorious death, rather than a posse of frenzied furies rushed into battle by a power-armoured nun dual-wielding a pair of electric whips.

I actually like both versions a lot - they're all suitably crazy in their own way, though one is arguably more grimdark than the other.

TheCustomLime wrote:Another explanation bandied about is that skimpy armor allows for greater freedom of movement. This may be true to some extent but you aren't going to be doing much movement after you are dead with a single blow. Besides, regular armor isn't that encumbering to movement anyway. It's weight is nice and evenly distributed across your body.

This (in addition with a traditional role) is how I tried to explain/excuse night elf armour on the WoW forums once. The Sentinel Army isn't doing straight-up fights, they're engaging enemy forces by hiding in the treetops and then picking them apart with a hail of arrows. Once the enemy panicks, Huntresses on saber-mounts charge into the fleeing troops and ride them down and/or cleave them apart with their huge glaives.

I could see mobility being very important for jumping from tree to tree and maintaining high agility as a mounted warrior (without a saddle), whereas protection can be neglected as the enemy isn't supposed to ever see you anyways, much less actually fight you.

Needless to say, you can only pull such justifications when they're actually supported by the fighting style of an army - and it doesn't change anything about the real world reasons of why the "bikini chainmail"-style is popular.

Against my better judgment I'm gonna re-join this thread just because the previous issue got buried pretty quick.

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Did you have to say shrink after nudity and porn?

In my opinion most censorship is bad. I try to be offensive to everybody equally or at least give more crap to the groups that get the least amount in general.

I don't totally get censorship. If you don't want to see something then don't watch it. That's part of the point of late night tv since kids should be asleep. Preventing everybody else from seeing something because it offends some people is more unfair and sometimes ruins material. Sometimes things need to be graphic or the point should be difficult to swallow.

I'm wondering if you could even have the 90's animated batman on television these days.

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I'm actual rather curious about the whole east Germany and west Germany thing after world war II. Did you have family on both sides? In my physics class it was also pretty apparent from the beginning of the 20th century till World War II all the best scientists (or at least nobel prize winners in science) seemed to come from Germany. Kind of getting off topic but it's kind of scary Nazis could get so much power though perhaps many citizens were forced into it or killed. Poor treatment usually seems to follow anybody thinking they're better than somebody else for any reason. It's sad that even after these sorts of things people use this reason to treat 'lesser' groups like sh*t as if their pain is instantly less worthy of attention and care than their own.

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I think the ronin idea of repentia sounds cool but it makes less sense to have eastern and western traditions in it whereas the sisters always felt like nuns. So in my opinion it makes more sense how it currently is even if it provokes some rather interesting thoughts .

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I have my reasons for hating elves in general but it's mostly along the lines of them being perfect and snobbish. Thing is they take a bullet just as easily as any other man-sized creature would .

If I ever saw what you mentioned all future fights against those elves would be to light those forests on fire. Simple, easy and though it kills various things they won't be trying those elven tree top shenanigans again. Going out on a limb here (yes I did that for the terrible pun) but I think your elves would be no match to forest fires. Smokey the bear would be unhappy though.

Your post is in time for warhammer fantasy wood elves which are fairly interesting now (yes I have fought them and they're still annoying and fast but with lots more options). The specialist arrows scare me most.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

I'm actual rather curious about the whole east Germany and west Germany thing after world war II. Did you have family on both sides? In my physics class it was also pretty apparent from the beginning of the 20th century till World War II all the best scientists (or at least nobel prize winners in science) seemed to come from Germany. Kind of getting off topic but it's kind of scary Nazis could get so much power though perhaps many citizens were forced into it or killed. Poor treatment usually seems to follow anybody thinking they're better than somebody else for any reason. It's sad that even after these sorts of things people use this reason to treat 'lesser' groups like sh*t as if their pain is instantly less worthy of attention and care than their own.

Most of the Nazi scientists weren't forced into developing anything, just like today the big research grant money is always from the military so it behooves research groups to get defense contracts to fund their non-military projects. But yeah, the technological prowess of the third reich was pretty stunning. While I'm not saying "if blah blah blah happened hitler would have won the war", the nazis did invent guided munitions, operational jet air craft, ballistic missiles, night fighting equipment, and assault rifles, just to name a few. Anyway, way off topic, ignore me.

flamingkillamajig wrote:I'm actual rather curious about the whole east Germany and west Germany thing after world war II. Did you have family on both sides?

Well, relatives, but not really close ones. I vaguely recall a couple visits.
I grew up in the latter years of the GDR, so I pretty much missed out on the worst scarcity of the post-war years and the worst excesses of dictatorship during the middle years before the government got softer. Since I was still relatively young when Germany was reunited (I think I was one of the last age groups who became pioneers), I also had an easier time adapting to life in the new German state in that I had not yet had a job I could have lost after so-called investors from West Germany took over previously state-owned industry only to close it and sell its assets for a quick buck, which dealt a heavy blow to the region I grew up in. Plus, I quickly became fascinated by computers (which were rare in the GDR), which would prove to not only shape my future nerdy interests but, in a way, also my occupational career up to this very day.

In a way, I guess I lucked out. Life could have been way more difficult for me had I been born 10 years earlier or later.

flamingkillamajig wrote:Kind of getting off topic but it's kind of scary Nazis could get so much power though perhaps many citizens were forced into it or killed. Poor treatment usually seems to follow anybody thinking they're better than somebody else for any reason. It's sad that even after these sorts of things people use this reason to treat 'lesser' groups like sh*t as if their pain is instantly less worthy of attention and care than their own.

It's the lure of power - and mankind's tendency to look for someone else to blame for their misery. Racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc are all consequences of the downside of the human drive to form groups and "belong", as everyone outside said group may quickly be regarded with bias if not outright hostility, and even within a group individual members may attempt to establish a firm hierarchy that reacts aggressively to anyone not following suit, regarding them as a threat to unity.

The Nazis' rise to power was thus a result of several different factors coming together - a mixture of some citizens looking up to them for the nimbus of order and strength, whilst others were intimidated into inactivity (or outright eliminated), whilst yet others fell victim to clever propaganda intended to unite the German people against what a common "foe" who they were told was responsible for much of the previous misery (including losing WW1).

Contrary to what some people would like to believe, this can happen again, and there are some worrying trends in several countries across the globe.

If you know the TV series "V" (the original, not the remake), it was actually originally intended to be about the rise of a Nazi-like party in the US, titled "It Can Happen Here". Some elements such as the Jewish family, the martial appearance of the Visitors and their slow assimilation of government branches in the background were kept intact when the network ultimately decided to turn it into a sci-fi show to ride the coattail of Star Wars' success in theaters.

There's also a very recommendable novel and movie titled "The Wave" which is about a social experiment conducted at a school. Most scarily, it is actually [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave]based on a true story/url] from a high school in California, expertly showing how very much at risk we as a modern society are from such influences (which is why I cannot agree with some of my German colleagues that society is "talking too much" about WW2 - and why I perceive rampant national pride in some countries with quite a bit of scepticism).

flamingkillamajig wrote:I think the ronin idea of repentia sounds cool but it makes less sense to have eastern and western traditions in it whereas the sisters always felt like nuns.

I just chose this term because I cannot think of a western one that would convey the same idea. I guess I could've also said "lone wolf", but that kind of misses out on the idea that the Repentia, in spite of her exile, is still a dedicated follower of her faith, who keeps pursuing her mission even when away from the convent ->

Andy Hoare, Citadel Journal #49 wrote:A member of the Sisterhood may be stripped of all rank and rights, reduced to a Sister Repentia. They are banned from Holy Service and may suffer other castigations in the form of frequent physical punishment, enforced fasts and confinement. These individuals often attach themselves to Imperial crusades, throwing themselves into the thickest of fighting in an effort to purge themselves of their sins and gain absolution, even if it is only granted in their death.

The Sister Repentia is a new troop type available to Sisters of Battle players as part of their Priestly Delegation, and to Space Marine and Imperial Guard players in the same way as Preachers. When a squad joined by a Sister Repentia is forced to fall back after having been defeated in close combat, the squad falls back as normal, but the enemy may not pursue or consolidate. Instead, the Sister Repentia remains in place and the close combat continues next turn. Should the Sister win the combat she must attempt to join the nearest friendly unit as soon as possible.

"We were stationed at the western quadrant of the Belisarius warzone, a small piece of Emperor-forsaken hell that we'd held for three months before the rebels' main force hit.

We opened fire on them with everything we had, from laspistol to battlecannon. We must have slaughtered thousands, but they weren't even slowed. Emperor forgive me, but I know for a fact no Imperial Guardsman could have completed that charge. They were on us in minutes, and close up I could see from the expressionless look on their faces that something was seriously wrong. They fought like animals, and we soon found ourselves cut off from the company. My squad was cut down man by man; men I had known since the regiment's founding and served alongside in four campaigns. The rebels slashed with bayonets and clawed at us with bare hands. Soon I was the last man standing and the rebels advanced towards me over the dismembered bodies of my comrades.

I raised my lasgun, but as I was about to open fire, a figure leapt down from the barricade and threw itself at my attackers. I could make out little of the newcomer other than remnants of what I took to be Adepta Sororitas armour. The rebels surrounded her and I hesitated, unsure whether I should join the fray. Then a break in the combat appeared, and the figure stared back at me. She was a vision, holy purpose burning in her eyes. I saw the tattered remains of her battle sisters power armour, covered in penitent vows and purity seals. I knew in that instant that she bade me to make good my escape that I may live another day in the Emperor's service.

Then the moment passed and I turned my back on the combat. One month later we retook the trench line and I sought out the scene of the attack. There I found a heap of dead rebels, but of my unknown ally .. no trace."
-- Extract of the accused's confession, submitted to Commissar General Luft in the Court Martial of Corporal Chemski, J / 4th Terran Praefects / GK983 833830

flamingkillamajig wrote:If I ever saw what you mentioned all future fights against those elves would be to light those forests on fire.

Well, I'm not sure if the Orks in WC3 didn't actually try that. Divine magic is capable of funny things - I wouldn't put it past the Druids and the Priestesses of the Moon to be capable of sabotaging such attempts somehow, or at least preventing widespread conflagration. Their forests are not exactly ... normal, after all. Feel free to call them cheaters.

Weren't we talking about something else entirely, instead of WoW and the culture divide from the Iron Curtain?

Yeah, let's get back on track. To reiterate my previous question why do you think we place such weight on what gender males/females choose for their avatars? Is it a reflection of their sexuality?