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 PrinceRaven wrote:
We understand that they're overcharging because they want money. But it doesn't take an economics degree to tell that when it comes to the point where your minis are so overpriced in one region that it's cheaper for your consumers to buy them in another region and import them themselves you're gonna have issues.

Yes you keep mentioning it, but the price you pay importing them doesn't help pay for the local Australian GW operation's overheads. A fact that you continually ignore.

Why, as a consumer, should I care?

This I think will we be an issue for some time thanks to the internet. people nowadays have the ability to research anything they want compared to the old days were information wasn't a wide reaching. if that all makes sense.

44Ronin Yes you keep mentioning it, but the price you pay importing them doesn't help pay for the local Australian GW operation's overheads. A fact that you continually ignore.

If the price disparity wasn't so large we wouldn't go to the effort of importing them in the first place. As it is the factoring in the cost of importing is hardly a consideration since we are still getting our hobby fix for significantly less.

I genuinely don't see why people aren't just importing them. I often buy from FLGS rather than GW just because it's cheaper and for no other reason.

If it's cheaper to import them, import them. You might be paying more than someone in the UK buying them as you're paying for shipping but the price will still be cheaper than buying directly from GW in Australia.

If everyone did this surely GW would start to reduce the prices?
But if people continue to pay the prices then they will continue to charge them.

I never once said it was right for them to do so, but that doesn't change the fact that they do it. As previously stated, many companies mark up prices (Yes, other miniature companies don't, perhaps because they want to attract people to their product rather than maximize profit)

GW is the king of the miniature industry. Their product is a premium product and will be marked up where they believe they can squeeze the most profit.

Aus posters, I'm not telling you to get over it at all. You guys have asked questions and I'm just trying to offer answers. Don't get over it, tell GW how ridiculous it is. All of you e mail them and tell them exactly what you think.

I can't see it making a difference but I hope it does.

 44Ronin wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
We understand that they're overcharging because they want money. But it doesn't take an economics degree to tell that when it comes to the point where your minis are so overpriced in one region that it's cheaper for your consumers to buy them in another region and import them themselves you're gonna have issues.

Yes you keep mentioning it, but the price you pay importing them doesn't help pay for the local Australian GW operation's overheads. A fact that you continually ignore.

I'm not sure why I should care about a company's inability to run their regional business.

I'd be much more inclined to pay Australian prices if I knew that the wholesale price were closer to parity but the RRP were higher to maintain storefronts here (both FLGS and GW storefronts) due to higher running costs here. But because the wholesale prices are high, and FLGS's still manage to discount things, meaning very little money is actually going to the storefront but rather to GW's greed and/or inability to run a business, I have little problem with importing. I don't think it's a coincidence that since I've been playing all the local FLGS's have gone from proudly displaying their GW products prominently to hiding them away behind everything else. Even an online store like TheCombatCompany used to have a direct link to GW products on their home page and now simply have them under "general sci fi" and "general fantasy".

 Mij'aan wrote:
I genuinely don't see why people aren't just importing them. I often buy from FLGS rather than GW just because it's cheaper and for no other reason.

If it's cheaper to import them, import them. You might be paying more than someone in the UK buying them as you're paying for shipping but the price will still be cheaper than buying directly from GW in Australia.

If everyone did this surely GW would start to reduce the prices?
But if people continue to pay the prices then they will continue to charge them.

I never once said it was right for them to do so, but that doesn't change the fact that they do it. As previously stated, many companies mark up prices (Yes, other miniature companies don't, perhaps because they want to attract people to their product rather than maximize profit)

GW is the king of the miniature industry. Their product is a premium product and will be marked up where they believe they can squeeze the most profit.

Aus posters, I'm not telling you to get over it at all. You guys have asked questions and I'm just trying to offer answers. Don't get over it, tell GW how ridiculous it is. All of you e mail them and tell them exactly what you think.

I can't see it making a difference but I hope it does.

Finally some sound words of wisdom...

 Mij'aan wrote:
Aus posters, I'm not telling you to get over it at all. You guys have asked questions and I'm just trying to offer answers. Don't get over it, tell GW how ridiculous it is. All of you e mail them and tell them exactly what you think.

That was basically the whole point of this thread, lol. We don't need to be told "it happens", we know that already (except maybe some newbies who have never stumbled on to the international GW sites). We also don't need to be given reasons like "everything costs more!" and "but you make more money!" when those are only situationally true blanket statements.

But yeah, getting everyone to import is hard. I import a lot of things, but often the easiest thing is to just buy from a local discounter (who is paying GW their absurdly high wholesale price) and get your stuff in a couple of days instead of waiting for international shipping.

The actual GW store I've only used to buy the odd paint here and there for the past several years, I think the last model I bought from them was a single box of Cadians about 4 years ago because I wanted to test out some paint schemes (the rest of my IG army I got elsewhere). If it weren't for the fact the store owner is a nice guy I wouldn't even darken the door of the place.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mij'aan wrote:
Aus posters, I'm not telling you to get over it at all. You guys have asked questions and I'm just trying to offer answers. Don't get over it, tell GW how ridiculous it is. All of you e mail them and tell them exactly what you think.

That was basically the whole point of this thread, lol. We don't need to be told "it happens", we know that already (except maybe some newbies who have never stumbled on to the international GW sites). We also don't need to be given reasons like "everything costs more!" and "but you make more money!" when those are only situationally true blanket statements.

I think that's why Australians tend to get a bit grumpy when we're told things like "but minimum wage!", "but isolation!" or "but everything costs more!".

Aye, my apologies if my previous posts sounded arrogant and what not. I agree you guys should say something about it.
But, when questions as to WHY you get charged the prices you do, I tried my best to answer.

Still, what matters is telling GW that they're robbing you blind. It's down to them to listen to you or not!

Good Luck. Their products are all overpriced everywhere anyway! (But we just can't help it)

 44Ronin wrote:
Yes you keep mentioning it, but the price you pay importing them doesn't help pay for the local Australian GW operation's overheads. A fact that you continually ignore.

Yes, people ignore that. As well they should, because it's none of their concern.


Let's say I have two shops in my neighbourhood. One of them is a guy working for himself, in the basement of a building owned by his dad. So he has very low overheads, and sells everything at a 20% discount.

The other shop is a big, glitzy shop in the main street, employs 3 full time staff, pays phenominal rent, and charges 10% above retail for the same product as the first store.

Guess what? I'm going to buy from the first store.


GW in Oz is the second store. I understand why they're more expensive. I just don't care. I am under no obligation to subsidise their chosen business model.

 insaniak wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
Yes you keep mentioning it, but the price you pay importing them doesn't help pay for the local Australian GW operation's overheads. A fact that you continually ignore.

Yes, people ignore that. As well they should, because it's none of their concern.


Let's say I have two shops in my neighbourhood. One of them is a guy working for himself, in the basement of a building owned by his dad. So he has very low overheads, and sells everything at a 20% discount.

The other shop is a big, glitzy shop in the main street, employs 3 full time staff, pays phenominal rent, and charges 10% above retail for the same product as the first store.

Guess what? I'm going to buy from the first store.


GW in Oz is the second store. I understand why they're more expensive. I just don't care. I am under no obligation to subsidise their chosen business model.

If you don't care then why are you whining?

No, you did concern yourself, by whinging about a fantasy of market 'parity'

Maybe you should actually learn something about market segmentation.


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 PrinceRaven wrote:
Why, as a consumer, should I care?

Because your whining about it.

 44Ronin wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
GW in Oz is the second store. I understand why they're more expensive. I just don't care. I am under no obligation to subsidise their chosen business model.

If you don't care then why are you whining?

No, you did concern yourself, by whinging about a fantasy of market 'parity'

Maybe you should actually learn something about market segmentation.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Why, as a consumer, should I care?

Because your whining about it.

They're both saying they don't care that GW have overheads and whatnot to pay, They are charging more for the same product than they should be in their opinions (and that of most Australians).

It's not our fault GW are determined to continue with a failing business model and we are NOT going to pay more to support it.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
GW in Oz is the second store. I understand why they're more expensive. I just don't care. I am under no obligation to subsidise their chosen business model.

If you don't care then why are you whining?

No, you did concern yourself, by whinging about a fantasy of market 'parity'

Maybe you should actually learn something about market segmentation.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Why, as a consumer, should I care?

Because your whining about it.

They're both saying they don't care that GW have overheads and whatnot to pay, They are charging more for the same product than they should be in their opinions (and that of most Australians).

It's not our fault GW are determined to continue with a failing business model and we are NOT going to pay more to support it.

1st world problems from people who cannot comprehend market segmentation.

 44Ronin wrote:
1st world problems from people who cannot comprehend market segmentation.

Once again you accuse people of not knowing a term, yet it's plainly evident you don't know what it means as it's not applicable here.

"Market segmentation is a marketing strategy that involves dividing a broad target market into subsets of consumers who have common needs and priorities, and then designing and implementing strategies to target them."

The correct term is Price Discrimination: or price differentiation is a pricing strategy where identical or largely similar goods or services are transacted at different prices by the same provider in different markets or territories.

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Reds8n

Personal insults are not contributing towards this thread. Stop it.
There's a discussion to be had, which can be done without arguing.

At least his not calling 'first world problem, your argument is invalid'.

economics 101

UK riptide 50 pounds
AU riptide 90 aussie dollars

it cost 6 cents more

no, wait that's unbound greed in multiple detachments because GW want to sell big kits amirite?



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 jonolikespie wrote:
At least his not calling 'first world problem, your argument is invalid'.

I already addressed your points . of which "I don't care" seems like the ultimate rebuttal.

 44Ronin wrote:
economics 101

UK riptide 50 pounds
AU riptide 90 aussie dollars

it cost 6 cents more

no, wait that's unbound greed in multiple detachments because GW want to sell big kits amirite?

Thank goodness that six cents covers the cost they add on for shipping and handling.

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
economics 101

UK riptide 50 pounds
AU riptide 90 aussie dollars

it cost 6 cents more

no, wait that's unbound greed in multiple detachments because GW want to sell big kits amirite?

Thank goodness that six cents covers the cost they add on for shipping and handling.

or even getting a lower margin on the one sold in AUS...naw it cannot be! :tinfoil:

44Ronin: Congrats, you selected one of the new models which actually has pricing parity around the world, disproving your own argument that GW needs to charge more for their models to maintain their business in Australia.

 44Ronin wrote:
economics 101

UK riptide 50 pounds
AU riptide 90 aussie dollars

it cost 6 cents more

no, wait that's unbound greed in multiple detachments because GW want to sell big kits amirite?

Empire Battalion
UK 65 = 117
Aus = 165 (+41%)

Dark Eldar Raider
UK 22.50 = 40.50
Aus = 55 (+35%)

Cadians
UK 18 = 32
Aus = 48 (+50%)

Tyranid Swarm
UK 105 = 189
Aus = 265 (+40%)

Though to be fair, I was surprised at how 'not awful' some of the prices were for things I would actually buy.

Heh. He accused insaniak of "whining". This ought to be good.

I have a friend in Australia and I regularly buy and ship to his gaming group when they need a big order. Surprised others aren't doing it.

Others are. They also order from the US or buy recasts and download torrented rulebooks.

 44Ronin wrote:
If you don't care then why are you whining?

No, you did concern yourself, by whinging about a fantasy of market 'parity'

You realise that this response doesn't actually make any sense in the context of what I actually said, right?

Maybe you should actually learn something about market segmentation.

Why?

Seriously. You seem to have this odd idea that it is the job of the consumer to support the retailer's chosen business model. It's not. The retailer's 'job' is to buy what they want, from wherever they want to buy it from.

I understand market segmentation. I understand that different countries have different economies, and different buying power. I also understand that in this day and age, where I can buy something from the other side of the planet as easily (in some cases easier) than from the other side of town, all of that goes straight out the window. Companies need to start looking at the fact that their customers aren't confined by artificial regionalisation any more... and to some extent, GW finally has, as is shown by their attempts to put the genie back in the bottle with their regional sales policy, followed by the more recent model pricing strategy which started to kick in when they apparently realised what a colossal failure the regional sales policy was...

 PrinceRaven wrote:
44Ronin: Congrats, you selected one of the new models which actually has pricing parity around the world, disproving your own argument that GW needs to charge more for their models to maintain their business in Australia.

I already explained to you about 4,999 times that they will not devalue existing stock
I already mentioned that the GW business model is in a state of transition, identity crisis

As said, they will not devalue stock. Considering the stores will not run a sale, like...ever... consider the chance of them perma-lowering stock as sitting very much next to 0.

That excuse is the biggest load of grox gak ever.

 insaniak wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
If you don't care then why are you whining?

No, you did concern yourself, by whinging about a fantasy of market 'parity'

You realise that this response doesn't actually make any sense in the context of what I actually said, right?

Maybe you should actually learn something about market segmentation.

Why?

Seriously. You seem to have this odd idea that it is the job of the consumer to support the retailer's chosen business model. It's not. The retailer's 'job' is to buy what they want, from wherever they want to buy it from.

I understand market segmentation. I understand that different countries have different economies, and different buying power. I also understand that in this day and age, where I can buy something from the other side of the planet as easily (in some cases easier) than from the other side of town, all of that goes straight out the window. Companies need to start looking at the fact that their customers aren't confined by artificial regionalisation any more... and to some extent, GW finally has, as is shown by their attempts to put the genie back in the bottle with their regional sales policy, followed by the more recent model pricing strategy which started to kick in when they apparently realised what a colossal failure the regional sales policy was...

For a company like GW, who have always bee aiming for a premium product with premium branding (eg., not Mantic lulz) maintaining brand value has always been #1 key point for them.

Now, they probably hit the proverbial brick wall at where consumers will pay, so instead of damaging their brand value by lowering RRP on existing stock, they are keeping parity on the new items. This is because they always aim at the high end of the market in gaming.

As for the consumer backing a business model, the consumer always backs a business model as you say...by buying a product and providing turn over for a product. Even if you ship their stuff from the states.


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 jonolikespie wrote:
That excuse is the biggest load of grox gak ever.

I'd love to see you whine about designer handbags, leica cameras and expensive polo shirts lol

These are extreme examples of course, but If these brands were to significantly lower their prices, their brand value would go down the toilet.

 44Ronin wrote:
I'd love to see you whine about designer handbags, leica cameras and expensive polo shirts lol.

And that's quite enough of that. Seriously, dismissing an opinion you disagree with as 'whining' adds nothing useful to the discussion. Any further posts of this nature will be treated as trolling.